Prophets after Jesus

[Gabriel_of_12]

Gabriel of 12;11768868:

Excuse me please…

Can you please point out where exactly any Baha’i has lied and deceived anyone in this thread or any other thread?

Thankyou…

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Sure, If you follow Muhammad or believe in his Quran “ricital” or any of the Haddith writers and writings, all teach a good virtue in Islam is to deceive Islam’s enemies at all cost in order to prosper Islam.

Does not Baha’i accept Muhammad as a true prophet of God? Or did I miss something in your translation of Islam? If so please clarify your position with Islam?

If the shoe does not fit, then it does not apply to you.

Peace be with you

 

[Servant19]

Servant19;11769114:

Sure, If you follow Muhammad or believe in his Quran “ricital” or any of the Haddith writers and writings, all teach a good virtue in Islam is to deceive Islam’s enemies at all cost in order to prosper Islam.

Does not Baha’i accept Muhammad as a true prophet of God? Or did I miss something in your translation of Islam? If so please clarify your position with Islam?

If the shoe does not fit, then it does not apply to you.

Peace be with you

The Baha’i position, dear friend, is that “every single soul” should investigate the purity, sanctity and sincerity manifested to unprecedented levels , in the Revelation of Baha’u’llah.

There can be no doubt, from the Baha’i position, that Muhammad was a blessed and sanctified Prophet of God who elevated the savage Arabian tribes to levels of spiritual excellence never seen before in those regions, and He prepared the way for the coming of Baha’u’llah, who has again brought unprecedented moral and spiritual excellence to those in that region that accept His Message.

The Book of Muhamad, the Quran is the Word of God, yet the hadiths are not to be trusted as being authentic.

The Quran is the only source of wisdom from a Baha’i perspective, unless a Hadith has been ratified by Baha’u’llah Himself.

“To deceive the enemies of Islam at all costs” is not a Tradition that the Baha’i Faith would espouse, accept or acknowledge in any shape or form.

Thankyou for reading

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[Matthew_Light]

Sure, If you follow Muhammad or believe in his Quran “ricital” or any of the Haddith writers and writings, all teach a good virtue in Islam is to deceive Islam’s enemies at all cost in order to prosper Islam.

Please back that up from the Qur’an. As Servant19 explained, the Ahadith are contradictory and cannot be trusted.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Servant19;11776160]

The Baha’i position, dear friend, is that “every single soul” should investigate the purity, sanctity and sincerity manifested to unprecedented levels , in the Revelation of Baha’u’llah.

 

[Servant19]

Thank you Servant19. The Spirit that God infused in me, gave me ears to hear only one Prophet, One Shepherd and One Lord. I am deaf to any new revelations from men. I await my Shepherd who reveals all things and makes all things new.

God bless you Gabriel, you are entirely entitled to close your ears to everything and anything other than the Gospel and the Catholic Church

But please remember, there are Jews today who are still exercising this right. They will not listen to anything. They have learnt all they want to learn. Did they miss something after Moses?

Have you tried to let go and let God?

Yes, I am enrolled into RCIA from Easter onwards
I have no fear of anything, I have a searching heart and I will seek God in Christianity. But be aware that God has manifested Himself in the Person of Baha’i’llah and I can “smell His sweet scented favours” so close His He to my heart through Baha’u’llah

My fully divine and fully human Shepherd has a name Jesus.

Yes, so is mine
I love Jesus with all my heart and soul, hence my enrollment into RCIA. I want to seek Him from all pathways. I have found Him in all His glory in the Person of Baha’u’llah, pure and unremittingly glorious

Does your tablet or Baha’i posses a body that is fully divine and fully human, so as to relate the things of God to our humanity?

Baha’u’llah is the Father. He it is, who sent Moses and spoke to Him on Sinai through the Burning Bush. He it is who sent Jesus, to be born in Bethlehem, and He it is to whom Jesus prayed to upon His last breath in this earthly plane.

Baha’u’llah is the begetter of the Holy Spirit

I credit Muhammad of removing idolatry and the many deities from Mecca. But I disagree with his methods of the sword to do so.

If Baha’u’llah came by way of the sword as did the new religion of Islam, my God made the prophecy of these will die by the sword.

Forced Disciplines and order by submission to a faith subjected to a God who hates sinners, is not the way of my God who is the God of peace and Love because He is Love. And He gave His life up for the sinners, not to subdue them in forced obedience.

The Baha’i faith has removed the sword and exchanged it for a ploughshare

It is better to be killed than to kill. This is the mantra of the Baha’i Faith.

Baha’u’llah beckons mankind to transform themselves with the healing power of His Message, one heart at a time, not through any other means than spiritual and exemplary conduct, unprecedented excellence in all spiritual endeavours

Anything touching the Word of God that cannot be trusted, is never the Word of God.

Peace be with you

And peace be with you too dear Gabriel

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[daler]

Servant19;11776160]

 

[Dialogues]

Hi,

… Baha’u’llah did make several prophecies which have come true. Here is a link:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahá’%C3%AD_prophecies

Were any of these prophecies accepted by the opponents as being fulfilled? In the case of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad a.s., the American Christian newspaper wrote:

"Great is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the Messiah: Foretold Pathetic end of Dowie …"

For Christians to refer to a Muslim claimant as ‘Great’ and ‘the Messiah’ is not a small matter. It was only because they were witnesses to the clear fulfillment of a prophecy about a named person that they felt compelled to describe him as such, even though they were not his followers. Even Muslims would avoid doing so.

Moreover, applying prophecies to an event afterwards is done in the case of Nostradamus too. In the case of Dowie, it was foretold by name beforehand.

Peace.

 

[Isaiah45_9]

Hi,

Were any of these prophecies accepted by the opponents as being fulfilled? In the case of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad a.s., the American Christian newspaper wrote:

"Great is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the Messiah: Foretold Pathetic end of Dowie …"

Moreover, applying prophecies to an event afterwards is done in the case of Nostradamus too. In the case of Dowie, it was foretold by name beforehand.

Peace.

Christ died and was buried, he rose from the dead on the 3rd day in accordance with the Scriptures. He was ascended into heaven after spending more time with His Apostles.

Christ did not migrate to Kashmir and suffer a natural death.

 

[openmind77]

Hi,

Were any of these prophecies accepted by the opponents as being fulfilled? In the case of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad a.s., the American Christian newspaper wrote:

"Great is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the Messiah: Foretold Pathetic end of Dowie …"

For Christians to refer to a Muslim claimant as ‘Great’ and ‘the Messiah’ is not a small matter. It was only because they were witnesses to the clear fulfillment of a prophecy about a named person that they felt compelled to describe him as such, even though they were not his followers. Even Muslims would avoid doing so.

Moreover, applying prophecies to an event afterwards is done in the case of Nostradamus too. In the case of Dowie, it was foretold by name beforehand.

Peace.

I don’t think we should quarrel about which of the two - Bahuallah or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a greater Prophet, or was a Prophet at all.

I think the trueness of a Prophet is guaged by the number of followers he keeps over time especially after his death. Ghulam Ahmad has about 10 million worldwide, Bahauallah has around 7 million.

Most people may believe that they are the only smart people in the world and everyone else is a gullible fool, but this is just not true - the average human being is quite smart and discerning - a false Prophet will not withstand the test of time. I think both of them qualify to be Prophets, although not at the same level as Muhammad.

However, Jesus still stands apart from all three - Jesus was a Son of God while others were just Prophets.

 

[Servant19]

I don’t think we should quarrel about which of the two - Bahuallah or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a greater Prophet, or was a Prophet at all.

I think the trueness of a Prophet is guaged by the number of followers he keeps over time especially after his death. Ghulam Ahmad has about 10 million worldwide, Bahauallah has around 7 million.

Most people may believe that they are the only smart people in the world and everyone else is a gullible fool, but this is just not true - the average human being is quite smart and discerning - a false Prophet will not withstand the test of time. I think both of them qualify to be Prophets, although not at the same level as Muhammad.

However, Jesus still stands apart from all three - Jesus was a Son of God while others were just Prophets.

How do you know Jesus was the Son of God?

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[openmind77]

How do you know Jesus was the Son of God?

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I think you have asked me this before. As I said before, I don’t need to prove this to you, since over a billion people on this planet believe this - you should ask them why.

 

[Servant19]

I think you have asked me this before. As I said before, I don’t need to prove this to you, since over a billion people on this planet believe this - you should ask them why.

Well one could easily respond by saying that there are around 10 million Baha’is today who believe Baha’u’llah is the Father.

Does that count for nothing?

Or is it a numerical thing?

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[openmind77]

Well one could easily respond by saying that there are around 10 million Baha’is today who believe Baha’u’llah is the Father.

Does that count for nothing?

Or is it a numerical thing?

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Sure it counts, I just don’t happen to believe it - first of all the Father does not incarnate as a human.Secondly Bahaullah made mistakes in his teachings (as did the other Prophets), a Son of God does not make such mistakes (neither does a ‘Father’).

 

[Servant19]

Sure it counts, I just don’t happen to believe it - first of all the Father does not incarnate as a human.Secondly Bahaullah made mistakes in his teachings (as did the other Prophets), a Son of God does not make such mistakes (neither does a ‘Father’).

1. How do you know the Father does not incarnate as a human?
2. What mistakes did Baha’u’llah make in His teachings?

Thank you for responding.

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[eddie_too]

what do the bahai and the muslims believe is missing from the teachings of Jesus that are essential to men and mankind?

the RC position is that everything that is necessary for man to reach the destiny given to man by his Creator has been provided to us through the life, death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

since, RCs believe that in Jesus Christ they have everything they need it makes no sense to them to proclaim the teachings of someone else.

at a minimum, people would have to demonstrate convincingly to a RC that something is missing from the teachings of Jesus Christ before they could possibly consider someone else’s teachings.

since, through Jesus Christ, the RC believes that he or she has access to eternal bliss, those who think RCs should believe something else, to be convincing, have to explain what RCs are missing and why eternal bliss is not the ultimate desire of every human creature.

if something is missing from Jesus, tell us what it is.

if nothing is missing from Jesus, join us in worshipping the Incarnate Word who alone can grant us eternal bliss.

 

[openmind77]

1. How do you know the Father does not incarnate as a human?
2. What mistakes did Baha’u’llah make in His teachings?

Thank you for responding.

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The Father just does not incarnate- he does not have two natures like the Son - really the burden of proof such an outlandish claim is on you. Bahaullah never understood the Trinitarian nature of God in any case, he just made some very vague statements about it.

Just thinking that Muhammad’s teachings supercede that of Jesus is a mistake (I think he says that).

BTW, I suggest you read the writings of another of Bahaullah’s contemporaries - Meher Baba (he imagined himself to be a Son of God too), however Meher Baba got more things correct than Bahauallah, although he did not gain that many followers.

 

[Servant19]

what do the bahai and the muslims believe is missing from the teachings of Jesus that are essential to men and mankind?

" …on earth as it is in heaven"

If the Revelation of Jesus Christ was complete, then He would’ve either:

1. Given complete guidance in how to bring about the unification of the human race.

OR

1. If it requires Jesus to Return for mankind to be “instantly” and “miraculously” unified, what purpose does it serve for mankind to suffer and wait for the suffering to end?

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[Servant19]

The Father just does not incarnate- he does not have two natures like the Son - really the burden of proof such an outlandish claim is on you. Bahaullah never understood the Trinitarian nature of God in any case, he just made some very vague statements about it.

Just thinking that Muhammad’s teachings supercede that of Jesus is a mistake (I think he says that).

BTW, I suggest you read the writings of another of Bahaullah’s contemporaries - Meher Baba (he imagined himself to be a Son of God too), however Meher Baba got more things correct than Bahauallah, although he did not gain that many followers.

What is the burden of proof you have imposed on Christianity for them to believe that Jesus was God Incarnate, or that God can have a Son?

Why do you believe them with such outlandish claims yet are not open minded enough to believe Bahaullah?

Do you not believe in fair-mindedness and equal opportunity?

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[Servant19]

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Btw, Meher Baba was not followed quite like Baha’u’llah because the life of Baha’u’llah and the Bab are both totally unique in religious history.

Meher Baba, Ghulam Ahmad and the like do not even come remotely close to the wonders of even the Babs life…

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[openmind77]

What is the burden of proof you have imposed on Christianity for them to believe that Jesus was God Incarnate, or that God can have a Son?

Why do you believe them with such outlandish claims yet are not open minded enough to believe Bahaullah?

Do you not believe in fair-mindedness and equal opportunity?

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There is quite a lot of difference between over a billion people and seven million - they are just not equal.

That the second person of the Trinity incarnates as human is a Hindu tradition recognized over literally thousands of years - that God can have a Son is pretty well accepted in India (although the exact term may vary - we call them Avatars instead).

The other reason is that Jesus did not make mistakes in any of his pronouncements, although clearly he left a lot of things unsaid.