Protecting the Blessed Sacrament

[IanGE]

Prophecy must be discerned. If it is not in line with Scripture and the Magisterium (Church teaching), then it is not of God. Satan can mimic God’s voice, and he will do so when we become close to God.
Only in the Spirit can we say, “Jesus is Lord.”

Some 25 years ago, I asked the voice "can you say ‘Jesus is Lord’? “I am Jesus” was the reply and I followed that voice for some six months until horrified Charismatic elders told me to apply the test of John (1Jn 4). I asked this voice, “do you acknowledge that Jesus the Christ has come in the flesh, born of the virgin Mary, died on the cross?” That voice never troubled me again!
As regards ‘Magesterium’. When I made my first Communion 66 years ago I was warned NEVER to chew the host and told the story of the boy who did and blood poured from his mouth. Trying to swallow a whole host down a seven-year-old gullet was a painful experience. But now of course, Church teaching has changed its mind.
As also with ‘no meat on a friday’. As also with cremation. As also with Galileo and several other dictats.
On TV a few years ago a Vatican authority said “we had 800 years of bad popes”. What happened to teaching under their guidance? I asked Jesus about that, too and was given Matthew 16:18: “You are Petros and upon this petra I will build my ecclesion and the gates of adou (Hades) will not overcome it.”
Amen. Good enough for me.

 

[DebChris]

Some 25 years ago, I asked the voice "can you say ‘Jesus is Lord’? “I am Jesus” was the reply and I followed that voice for some six months until horrified Charismatic elders told me to apply the test of John (1Jn 4). I asked this voice, “do you acknowledge that Jesus the Christ has come in the flesh, born of the virgin Mary, died on the cross?” That voice never troubled me again!
As regards ‘Magesterium’. When I made my first Communion 66 years ago I was warned NEVER to chew the host and told the story of the boy who did and blood poured from his mouth. Trying to swallow a whole host down a seven-year-old gullet was a painful experience. But now of course, Church teaching has changed its mind.
As also with ‘no meat on a friday’. As also with cremation. As also with Galileo and several other dictats.
On TV a few years ago a Vatican authority said “we had 800 years of bad popes”. What happened to teaching under their guidance? I asked Jesus about that, too and was given Matthew 16:18: “You are Petros and upon this petra I will build my ecclesion and the gates of adou (Hades) will not overcome it.”
Amen. Good enough for me.

Notice that the voice did not say, “Jesus is Lord.” As mentioned it did not acknowledge “the Bread come down from heaven.” There may be times when you receive conflicting messages, one real and one from a mimic. Satan cannot interfere when we pray in the Spirit, if you have that gift. Place everything under the Blood of the Lamb and allow the Holy Spirit to guide.
The essentials of our Faith have never changed. It is Tradition (the teachings of Jesus Christ protected by the Holy Spirit) which have been handed to us intact throughout the ages. Sometimes, individuals confuse this with traditions which are regional customs. Many people have only received the Host in wafer form. You may see it in loaf form when you visit a monastery. A young priest spent three months of his final formation at the parish to which I belonged in WI, and celebrated his first Mass there. Baking the unleavened bread to be consecrated and distributed for each Mass was one of the ways that he prepared for each Mass.
If you read St. Therese of Lisieux’s Story of a Soul, you may be surprised as I was that she would ask permission before receiving the Eucharist. Pope Pius X encouraged more frequent reception of the Sacrament and lowered the age of First Communion to the age of reason. Church laws requiring reception of Holy Communion and the Sacrament of Reconciliation at least once a year were made because so few people ever received these important Sacraments on a regular basis.
Some of what we were taught lies under discipline more than Tradition. I still try not to swallow the Host. Being able to receive under both species makes this easier.

 

[IanGE]

DebChris, I’m glad you noticed that the voice did not say “Jesus is Lord”, I didn’t at the time, but I was still in my innocent forties! But I learnt, fingers burnt! In fact there are three voices one may hear. Satan, brash and loud; your own voice, almost as loud and insistent, and the gentle voice of the Lord - He always calls one by name and the message is ALWAYS uplifting, even when you’re getting a telling off! Spiritual discernment is another charism, gift, grace, but it still needs practice and experience - and guidance.
Sorry, wrong thread.
I still rely on the Lord to tell me (often, these days not an audible voice anymore, but a knowing in my knower!) for whom to offer my communion (usually a surprise!) - and also how much to put in the collection (sometimes painful!)

 

[Garland]

To die protecting our Blessed Lord would be an honor I am not worthy of, but would do in the blinking of my eye. I would not fear recieving the Precious Blood, virus or no virus. I do not believe one would get sick at recieption of the Most Blessed Sacrement no matter the viruses on the prowl. His Will Be Done. Garland

 

[Newbie2]

There’s no disconcerting about it. There is no difference between recieving the Host, the Blood, and the Host & Blood. No difference. My girlfriend recieves only the Host because she gets extremely sick from just a sip of wine. At my college there are a few atheletes who also don’t recieve the wine to keep with the college’s no alcohol policy (even though they have been told they can if it’s for religious reasons).

Yeah, but there are people who prefer to receive both, myself included, and if there is some sort of local (temporary) “ban” on distributing the chalice for fear of illness, there will be some who cannot receive under both species as they would like.

Yes, the Sacrament is present under each species, but I’m “disconcerted” when I’m in line and the cup runs dry. (Sitting near the front has prevented this problem, for the most part )

 

[DebChris]

To die protecting our Blessed Lord would be an honor I am not worthy of, but would do in the blinking of my eye. I would not fear receiving the Precious Blood, virus or no virus. I do not believe one would get sick at reception of the Most Blessed Sacrament no matter the viruses on the prowl. His Will Be Done. Garland

I trust the Precious Blood to protect me from any illness/viruses. I do not overlook the healing power of this Sacrament. So no, I am not afraid either.

 

[IanGE]

I trust the Precious Blood to protect me from any illness/viruses. I do not overlook the healing power of this Sacrament. So no, I am not afraid either.

Snap. But I am pained that I don’t have the option of expressing my complete trust in the precious blood of Jesus. Is this temporary ban world-wide or just Wiltshire, England?

Some decades ago I lived in Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire and at the early morning sunday mass there was only the host. I went to our PP and offered to buy the wine.
“That’s not the problem,” he explained, “I can’t get Communion ministers to show up for the early mass.” I said that at my mum’s church in Fulham, London (she was still alive then, bless her) a chalice was placed at each end of the altar for those who wanted.
“Different bishop.” he said. “Our bishop insists that the blood be served.” Catch 22!
I had to either go to the 11 o’clock mass or drive to St. Albans for the 9 o’clock to receive communion of both kinds which, like Newbie2, I feel cheated if I am denied it. Stupid, I know, but Communion is an especially precious moment for me: I walk back to my pew on cloud nine - "THE BLOOD OF JESUS IS IN ME!!! If I don’t get the chalice I walk back on cloud 4&1/2.

 

[Spirithound]

"THE BLOOD OF JESUS IS IN ME!!! If I don’t get the chalice I walk back on cloud 4&1/2.

The Blood of Jesus is in you if you receive the Sacred Host too. The Precious Blood was withheld from the laity for centuries to combat your specific thought.

 

[DebChris]

Snap. But I am pained that I don’t have the option of expressing my complete trust in the precious blood of Jesus. Is this temporary ban world-wide or just Wiltshire, England?

Some decades ago I lived in Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire and at the early morning sunday mass there was only the host. I went to our PP and offered to buy the wine.
“That’s not the problem,” he explained, “I can’t get Communion ministers to show up for the early mass.” I said that at my mum’s church in Fulham, London (she was still alive then, bless her) a chalice was placed at each end of the altar for those who wanted.
“Different bishop.” he said. “Our bishop insists that the blood be served.” Catch 22!
I had to either go to the 11 o’clock mass or drive to St. Albans for the 9 o’clock to receive communion of both kinds which, like Newbie2, I feel cheated if I am denied it. Stupid, I know, but Communion is an especially precious moment for me: I walk back to my pew on cloud nine - "THE BLOOD OF JESUS IS IN ME!!! If I don’t get the chalice I walk back on cloud 4&1/2.

The ban is not yet worldwide. A few years ago, the Precious Blood was not served in many American parishes because of the Influenza.
I have never heard of a chalice being left at the end of the altar. I do understand the bishop insisting it be served. How can a person respond “Amen” to “The Blood of Christ” if there is nobody to serve? Is there somebody willing to volunteer for the early Mass? My current pastor had the person in charge of readers and EMCHs call me when there was a need for somebody at the early Mass. It is my last Sunday in this parish before heading to the Middle East. I am going to the later Mass so I can say good-bye to my friends.
In Galveston, I found I had to receive on the tongue if I wanted the Precious Blood. They used tincture so if a person received in the hand, as I do, they were deprived of the Precious Blood. The reasoning for tincture was because so many people came to Galveston for medical care. After I broke my ankle, I found the Basilica downtown, the oldest cathedral in Texas. There I was able to receive under both species.

I remember when receiving the Precious Blood was not the norm. It was special when both species were offered. I still experience this specialness even when served daily.
And He took bread and when He had given thanks. He broke it and gave it to them, saying “This is My body which is given for you”…And likewise the cup after supper saying , “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.” (Luke 22:19-20)

 

[Spirithound]

I have never heard of a chalice being left at the end of the altar. I do understand the bishop insisting it be served. How can a person respond “Amen” to “The Blood of Christ” if there is nobody to serve?

I’m sure that it is an abuse first for the laity to take or put anything on the altar, and secondly, I know that it is an abuse to self-communicate, as you have alluded to.

 

[zab]

I’m sure that it is an abuse first for the laity to take or put anything on the altar, and secondly, I know that it is an abuse to self-communicate, as you have alluded to.

It is an abuse to self-communicate, but I do not believe that it is an abuse for the laity to take things off or put something on the altar. Altar servers are laity and they put things on and take things off of the altar. The sacristan puts things on and takes things off of the altar.

 

[Monica4316]

Some 25 years ago, I asked the voice "can you say ‘Jesus is Lord’? “I am Jesus” was the reply and I followed that voice for some six months until horrified Charismatic elders told me to apply the test of John (1Jn 4). I asked this voice, “do you acknowledge that Jesus the Christ has come in the flesh, born of the virgin Mary, died on the cross?” That voice never troubled me again!
As regards ‘Magesterium’. When I made my first Communion 66 years ago I was warned NEVER to chew the host and told the story of the boy who did and blood poured from his mouth. Trying to swallow a whole host down a seven-year-old gullet was a painful experience. But now of course, Church teaching has changed its mind.
As also with ‘no meat on a friday’. As also with cremation. As also with Galileo and several other dictats.
On TV a few years ago a Vatican authority said “we had 800 years of bad popes”. What happened to teaching under their guidance? I asked Jesus about that, too and was given Matthew 16:18: “You are Petros and upon this petra I will build my ecclesion and the gates of adou (Hades) will not overcome it.”
Amen. Good enough for me.

Bad Popes never changed doctrine
as for chewing the Host etc, there are Traditions and traditions… (small ‘t’ vs big ‘T’.) the Church never changed its dogmas, only some practical things. Btw, we’re still supposed to not eat meat on Fridays…but it can be changed to another act of penance or good work. (it used to be that it HAD to be no meat.)

about discernment, I read that St Gemma was taught by Jesus to say “blessed be Jesus and Mary” if she saw a vision, etc, and whoever it was had to repeat it perfectly. She found that only spirits from God (angels, Saints, and of course Jesus, Mary) could repeat it. I think we should be very careful with such things…and not even seek them.

God bless

 

[Monica4316]

Our Church has had some recent vandalism and I would like to know this… in the event the situation presented itself, that a vandalism were attempted involving the Blessed Sacrament, my thought would be to protect it with my life. Others say I am wrong…please give me your thoughts.

I agree with you since the Eucharist is Jesus, those who die for the Eucharist, die for Him as Martyrs.

I think He is pleased when we show reverence and care for the Blessed Sacrament. Even if it’s something simple like keeping Him company when He’s alone.

 

[Ignatius]

Our Church has had some recent vandalism and I would like to know this… in the event the situation presented itself, that a vandalism were attempted involving the Blessed Sacrament, my thought would be to protect it with my life. Others say I am wrong…please give me your thoughts.

Today is the feast day of St. Lawrence. He received the crown of martyrdom defending the Eucharist from descecration. You are right.