Protecting your H.S., College children from scientific gibberish

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It is clear from the quotes in the article that Pope Benedict was referring to Darwinism or forms of evolution theory that reject God. Those go beyond the realm of science and enter into philosophy. The theory of evolution itself, as the mechanical process is sound.
Nope. It cannot be verified. We can’t haul generations of humans into the laboratory. The mechanical process is like building a car by throwing random parts into a pile and hoping self-assembly occurs. Undirected means undirected.

Peace,
Ed
 
Nope. It cannot be verified. We can’t haul generations of humans into the laboratory. The mechanical process is like building a car by throwing random parts into a pile and hoping self-assembly occurs. Undirected means undirected.

Peace,
Ed
But you can look at the fossil record and perform tests on those records to determine what happened. Reproducibility does not require that you reproduce evolution, it requires that the tests verifying the theory be able to be reproduced with the same results and conclusions which happens.

You are misapplying and misunderstanding scientific methodology and you are reading meaning into quotes that isn’t there in order to satisfy your own world view.
 
But you can look at the fossil record and perform tests on those records to determine what happened. Reproducibility does not require that you reproduce evolution, it requires that the tests verifying the theory be able to be reproduced with the same results and conclusions which happens.

You are misapplying and misunderstanding scientific methodology and you are reading meaning into quotes that isn’t there in order to satisfy your own world view.
Are you suggesting you can prove that all creatures on earth came into being via evolution by proving evolution can occur?
 
My recommendation is to teach them math, especially logic. A lot of technical terms will go over their heads otherwise and they will not realize that scientific facts are based on MODELS of nature, rather than the essence.

Finally show them that scientific discoveries almost always require heretics, because scientists overestimate how accurate their preexisting models are.
 
Are you suggesting you can prove that all creatures on earth came into being via evolution by proving evolution can occur?
I am saying that the Church tells us that all creatures came into being because God decided to create them. Science tells us that He chose evolution as the method for that creation. The Church then tells us the one exception which is the human soul, which did not evolve but was directly created by God.
 
Why do you care? Honestly? Why does this particular thing have to be the ultimate decision? I’ll take the word of God over the word of man.

Sheesh. I’d like to see a photo of this carved in stone…
As I describe it, the Bible is not a history book. It’s meant to teach us moral truths not scientific truths. And intriguingly enough, theistic evolution and the scientific story of creation follow the Biblical narrative shockingly well.
 
As I describe it, the Bible is not a history book. It’s meant to teach us moral truths not scientific truths. And intriguingly enough, theistic evolution and the scientific story of creation follow the Biblical narrative shockingly well.
Sounds unreasonable to me. Earthly paradise would have diseases, destruction and death in that case. Also fire ants.
 
Hahaha, is that so? You know how it is generally? I am curious how many university science classes have you taken? How many different teachers? At how many different universities? This is necessary to know how well you know the general situation.

With me, it wasn’t just one class. I majored in biology so I had over 20 classes, each with a different professor. Interestingly enough religion wasn’t an issue in any of them. I even took a class at Pitt, and there wasn’t an issue there either.

Have you had any experience with it, or are you just passing on the rumors of others and saying you ‘know’?
You must have been wearing blinders. There are questions which have to be answered in biology, life sciences, etc. Now, in a public institution, those questions, if answered, will not be answered in accordence with the Church’s teacning. Now, perhaps the questions were intentionally avoided. In that case the students might be wondering what is going on.

No, my degree happens to be in Scholastic philosophy. My " proofs " are based on the authority of highly educated, well qualified men of faith, some of science, some of well known thinkers - and testimonials. My purpose is not to win an argument with you or anyone else. My purpose is to offer a program to parents who are interested. You are not interested. That doesn’t bother me in the least. This thread is well over 3,000 hits in a week. That is satisfactory, it indicates an interest. Linus2nd
 
I am saying that the Church tells us that all creatures came into being because God decided to create them. Science tells us that He chose evolution as the method for that creation. The Church then tells us the one exception which is the human soul, which did not evolve but was directly created by God.
In what way does science prove this? Proving that creatures do or can evolve is a far cry from proving creation via evolution. I’m not saying God could not have selected creatures for evolution possibly leading to the evolution of first humans, from whom we descend. That said, you are making QUITE the leap in claiming that proving evolution CAN occur proves that all living life on earth came about via evolutionary processes.
 
People, some topics are forbidden. It isn’t very charitable to endanger a thread because you are too stubborn to obey the rules. I hope the Moderator will not close the thread but zero in on the violators.

Linus2nd
 
I remain convinced that knowing math is key to avoiding scientific gibberish.
 
Why do we even need to make this assumption?
I was making the assumption for the sake of discussion. I don’t think it is as wide spread of a problem as some of the post in this thread would suggest.
And yes, I have a solution that I have posted several times, teach your children to think critically so that they can understand when someone is trying to push an agenda instead of teaching actual science
Let me say that I’m supportive of your stance. This doesn’t just mean that I agree with you, but that I am actively involved in trying to do this with my nephew and one other child. Other members of the family have taken responsibility for his education in other subjects. Two of work with science with him and I’m also working with him for math.

He does also go to a public school, but we don’t let school get in the way of his education 🙂
 
You must have been wearing blinders. There are questions which have to be answered in biology, life sciences, etc. Now, in a public institution, those questions, if answered, will not be answered in accordence with the Church’s teacning. Now, perhaps the questions were intentionally avoided. In that case the students might be wondering what is going on.

No, my degree happens to be in Scholastic philosophy. My " proofs " are based on the authority of highly educated, well qualified men of faith, some of science, some of well known thinkers - and testimonials. My purpose is not to win an argument with you or anyone else. My purpose is to offer a program to parents who are interested. You are not interested. That doesn’t bother me in the least. This thread is well over 3,000 hits in a week. That is satisfactory, it indicates an interest. Linus2nd
Most of those hits are not from people interested in the program. Look at the posts, most are from people attempting to defend science.
 
In what way does science prove this? Proving that creatures do or can evolve is a far cry from proving creation via evolution. I’m not saying God could not have selected creatures for evolution possibly leading to the evolution of first humans, from whom we descend. That said, you are making QUITE the leap in claiming that proving evolution CAN occur proves that all living life on earth came about via evolutionary processes.
It is not a leap at all. We can look at the historical evidence and the fossil record and see evolution taking place and occurring over the course of earth’s history.

The point of this thread, however, is not to debate evolution, that is against forum rules. The point is whether or not there is a widespread problem with teachers teaching things contrary to faith. I only bring up evolution to demonstrate that it does not conflict with Church teaching and therefore, it is not a good example of the existence of said problem.
 
People, some topics are forbidden. It isn’t very charitable to endanger a thread because you are too stubborn to obey the rules. I hope the Moderator will not close the thread but zero in on the violators.

Linus2nd
You have brought this up many times. No one is saying anything in the hopes of getting something banned. We are making points that are necessary for the discussion at hand. I believe the lack of moderator action to this point indicates that they understand that and no one has crossed the line. The number of times you repeat this seems to be an attempt to stop people from discussing things that you do not want to discuss.
 
I agree. I simply do not see a wholesale conspiracy here. Just as the Bible does not teach science and is not a science book, a science book is not a religious text and should not attempt to teach religion. They are separate fields attempting to answer separate questions.
I think science can certainly analyse the worlds religions and humans propensity to create Gods through the ages. Religion is certainly worth studying from a scientific perspective, so I don’t see them as separate fields. Science can study any topic.
 
I am saying that the Church tells us that all creatures came into being because God decided to create them. Science tells us that He chose evolution as the method for that creation. The Church then tells us the one exception which is the human soul, which did not evolve but was directly created by God.
Science tells us nothing about God. It can’t study God.

Peace,
Ed
 
I was looking at the 12-part podcasts and the MCRF’s encyclopedia wiki. Good stuff. I’ll have to spend some time there. The focus seems to be on physics & philosophy as it pertains to the beginning of the universe and corroborative evidence that supports the existence of God. There’s another wiki that seems to be about the evidence supporting the historicity of Jesus. Doesn’t look like it has anything to do with the “E” end of our A&E issues. There is a reference to a Magis Academy, but all the links say “Coming Soon”. At any rate, it will be interesting to see what he has before considering purchasing any of his education series.
 
I think science can certainly analyse the worlds religions and humans propensity to create Gods through the ages. Religion is certainly worth studying from a scientific perspective, so I don’t see them as separate fields. Science can study any topic.
Science can study the sociology involved in religion. Science can not study God.
 
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