Protecting your H.S., College children from scientific gibberish

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To Monte RCMS:

There was no “dumbing down” of the laity 50 years ago. I lived through it. There were a series of well-coordinated attacks on the Catholic Church by dissidents within and outside the Church. The idea that no one is to blame is not logical. It did not happen by itself.

Specifically, Pope John Paul II, and Pope Benedict, began to right the ship and turn things around. The Year of Faith is part of what we need: not Catholic laity being spoon-fed and being passive, but actually living out their faith while realizing that God is a part of their daily lives, not just at Mass on Sunday and Holy Days of Obligation. (And those words are directed to me as well.)

Peace,
Ed
 
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cedarville.edu/~/media/Files/President-Resources/2012/Student-Responses-to-Relevant-Article.pdf ( Student responses - maniflod )

For me the largest challenge is making sense of intellectual thought that says God can’t exist. As in, everything that these people are saying makes sense - even their reasoning for being atheists makes sense, and I can’t always figure out why I disagree

cedarville.edu/eNews/ParentPrep/2012/Challenges-Christian-Students-Face-in-College.aspx
  1. The (name removed by moderator)ut Challenge
    Freshmen usually are intimidated by college professors. The tsunami of information in classes made it difficult to think through the subject matter. A number of students had likable and intelligent professors who “refused to tolerate students’ beliefs as viable” and actively sought to change their convictions. The lack of a commensurate (name removed by moderator)ut of spiritual truth began a slide away from faith
edtheory.blogspot.com/2011/12/teaching-challenges-in-religiously.html

Career tracks that are strictly science based, such as pharmacy and other health sciences, tend to be even less open to combining scientific teachings with diverse religious views. Many feel that logic and faith cannot coexist. I can attest to feeling the need to downplay my religious upbringing and beliefs to gain respect from my teachers and peers. Worth acknowledges “in teaching, we must respect our students—both the complicated personal histories and experiences with which they come to us.”3 She continues “it takes patience and fortitude, and, sometimes, conscious self-restraint.”3 College and universities strive to attract a wide variety of students, from a wide variety of cultures. Pharmacy educators must be prepared to embrace this diversity when approaching a difficult subject.

dailytheology.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/thoughts-from-the-science-classroom-faith-what-faith/
From physics to biology to chemistry and beyond, students struggle with new scientific ideas when facing a scientific theory or development that seems to contradict a theological doctrine that the student may have believed strongly even a day prior. Theologians have realized this for a while, and have constructed helpful models in order to help us encounter such difficulties

cdeducation.org/dre/5leadership/sa/nto/12/23–Reclaiming%20the%20catholic%20classroom.pdf

( A bonus for Catholic grade/high teachers )

Physical Environment
Making a classroom physically Catholic means to remind students visually of their faith and its teachings.

Let posters and bulletin boards reflect the diversity of God’s creation. Be sensitive to racial balance and body styles. .

Affirm positive messages on posters and bulletin boards.

Keep a neat classroom. God’s universe is orderly.

Establish a prayer corner with contemporary statuary.

Create subtle reminders with banners on classroom computers: “Make God Smile,” “Jesus Is Present,” or “God Will Always Love You.”

Create a hero bulletin board with the biography of a saint.

Post the parish or school mission statement.

Post daily or weekly special prayer intentions.

Position the Bible prominently in the classroom

Linus2nd
 
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thefire.org/cases/topcases/

Explore this site carefully, it will blow your mind.

thefire.org/cases/topcases/

While the war on Christianity in America and persecution of Christians has not yet reached the feverish pitch of persecution as it has in other parts of the world, there is a battle being waged. There is still a Constitution in America that protects them and allows them to freely practice their faith. But, broiling beneath the surface, the same hatred of God that exists in other parts of the world is festering in all our institutions. Slowly, methodically, and incrementally the anti-God forces are working to remove that Constitutional barrier and replace it with the 10 Planks of Communism.

amren.com/news/2013/03/wisconsin-education-program-attacks-white-privilege-in-classrooms/

The four-year-old CREATE Wisconsin education initiative was ostensibly designed to help public school educators reach disadvantaged students. Now, thanks to an EAG News expose, CREATE , the acronym for Culturally Responsive Education for All: Training and Enhancement, may be more notorious for its racially charged teaching points, including:

dougbrittonbooks.com/onlinebiblestudies-cultureandsocietyinfluences/bepreparedforteacherstoattackchristianity.php

If you are a student in a high school, college or university, don’t be surprised to hear seemingly sophisticated attacks on the Bible from teachers of psychology, history, sociology or almost any other field. Respect your teachers and/or professors, yet be prepared for assaults on your faith. Many teachers are balanced and fair, and a number are sincere Christians. Yet many teachers and professors hold anti-Christian beliefs and will make a concerted effort to influence you.

firstfreedom.mncc.org/2012/08/religious-beliefs-increasingly-under-attack-on-campus/

This fall at Vanderbilt University, the group Vanderbilt Catholic — a student group with some 500 members — will be moving off campus, and not by choice. It has been ordered to change its name. Along with at least eleven other religious groups, Vandy Catholic won’t be officially recognized by the school as an organization, because it won’t allow leaders of the organization to be non-Catholics. You read that correctly.

firstfreedom.mncc.org/2012/09/religious-belief-under-attack-on-campus-part-ii/

Increasingly, institutions that once were marketplaces of ideas are selling just one product: a politically correct orthodoxy with a lesson plan of ”tolerance” and “diversity.” Not only have students been limited or silenced on issues in the name of non-discrimination, universities have been particularly keen on silencing voices of faith and attempting to indoctrinate students on their worldviews. Consider the following:

More to come later. Linus2nd
Important forces in contemporary life: political correctness, tolerance ONLY for ideas of the Left, and an underlying desire for the tenets of Marxism …
 
More Examples

cedarville.edu/~/media/Files/President-Resources/2012/Student-Responses-to-Relevant-Article.pdf ( Student responses - maniflod )

For me the largest challenge is making sense of intellectual thought that says God can’t exist. As in, everything that these people are saying makes sense - even their reasoning for being atheists makes sense, and I can’t always figure out why I disagree

cedarville.edu/eNews/ParentPrep/2012/Challenges-Christian-Students-Face-in-College.aspx
  1. The (name removed by moderator)ut Challenge
    Freshmen usually are intimidated by college professors. The tsunami of information in classes made it difficult to think through the subject matter. A number of students had likable and intelligent professors who “refused to tolerate students’ beliefs as viable” and actively sought to change their convictions. The lack of a commensurate (name removed by moderator)ut of spiritual truth began a slide away from faith
edtheory.blogspot.com/2011/12/teaching-challenges-in-religiously.html

Career tracks that are strictly science based, such as pharmacy and other health sciences, tend to be even less open to combining scientific teachings with diverse religious views. Many feel that logic and faith cannot coexist. I can attest to feeling the need to downplay my religious upbringing and beliefs to gain respect from my teachers and peers. Worth acknowledges “in teaching, we must respect our students—both the complicated personal histories and experiences with which they come to us.”3 She continues “it takes patience and fortitude, and, sometimes, conscious self-restraint.”3 College and universities strive to attract a wide variety of students, from a wide variety of cultures. Pharmacy educators must be prepared to embrace this diversity when approaching a difficult subject.

dailytheology.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/thoughts-from-the-science-classroom-faith-what-faith/
From physics to biology to chemistry and beyond, students struggle with new scientific ideas when facing a scientific theory or development that seems to contradict a theological doctrine that the student may have believed strongly even a day prior. Theologians have realized this for a while, and have constructed helpful models in order to help us encounter such difficulties

cdeducation.org/dre/5leadership/sa/nto/12/23–Reclaiming%20the%20catholic%20classroom.pdf

( A bonus for Catholic grade/high teachers )

Physical Environment
Making a classroom physically Catholic means to remind students visually of their faith and its teachings.

Let posters and bulletin boards reflect the diversity of God’s creation. Be sensitive to racial balance and body styles. .

Affirm positive messages on posters and bulletin boards.

Keep a neat classroom. God’s universe is orderly.

Establish a prayer corner with contemporary statuary.

Create subtle reminders with banners on classroom computers: “Make God Smile,” “Jesus Is Present,” or “God Will Always Love You.”

Create a hero bulletin board with the biography of a saint.

Post the parish or school mission statement.

Post daily or weekly special prayer intentions.

Position the Bible prominently in the classroom

Linus2nd
There also is a need to give students something more substantial than making banners and coloring.

Children need to memorize the basics … prayers, for example. The Baltimore Catechism is no longer used universally for school children … but you can buy them on-line … and they are still excellent. They come in different levels for children of different ages and there is a study guide for teachers. In response to the lack of knowledge, in 1992, the official Catechism of the Catholic Church was issued, but it is written at a very high level.

If interested persons do a Google search for Catechism of the Catholic Church, there are some excellent essays. For example:

ewtn.com/library/CATECHSM/NCOFCC.HTM

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechism_of_the_Catholic_Church

In my opinion, every child should be given a copy of the age-appropriate Baltimore Catechism … to get the basic knowledge back into the educational “system”.

**In fact, currently, on YouTube, there is Father Robert Barron discussing how students are studying serious scientific topics … except when it comes to Catholicism, they study using comic books, which leaves him politely apoplectic.

I don’t have the specific link, but check out the six minute lecturettes that Father Barron posts to YouTube.**
 
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It was/is perfectly OK for children to memorize the often obscene lyrics from popular secular music, but it is not OK for children to engage in the decried practice of “rote memorization” of the truths of the Catholic faith … if that’s not “dumbing down” our children, I don’t know what is. So, instead of memorizing important things, the school children were “taught to understand” by coloring.

The denigration and removal of “rote memorization” was part of the daily weave of what was done to our Catholic education.

Not to mention the elimination of Latin. [Don’t get me started on that.]

I remember living through that.
 
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It was/is perfectly OK for children to memorize the often obscene lyrics from popular secular music, but it is not OK for children to engage in the decried practice of “rote memorization” of the truths of the Catholic faith … if that’s not “dumbing down” our children, I don’t know what is. So, instead of memorizing important things, the school children were “taught to understand” by coloring.

The denigration and removal of “rote memorization” was part of the daily weave of what was done to our Catholic education.

Not to mention the elimination of Latin. [Don’t get me started on that.]

I remember living through that.
I agree totally, That is one of the problems I have with the new Catechism. But of course it was not intended to be a classroom catechism. Memorization is important in just about every subject. And the Baltimore Catechism is great in that respect. I would rather see it used as the basic " text " and the new Catechism used as " explanation " material.

Linus2nd
 
I agree totally, That is one of the problems I have with the new Catechism. But of course it was not intended to be a classroom catechism. Memorization is important in just about every subject. And the Baltimore Catechism is great in that respect. I would rather see it used as the basic " text " and the new Catechism used as " explanation " material.

Linus2nd
And then there was the elimination of Gregorian Chant … which reminds me of the book, “Why Catholics Can’t Sing”.

Why Catholics Can’t Sing: The Culture of Catholicism and the Triumph of Bad Taste [Paperback]
Thomas Day (Author)
4.1 out of 5 stars See all reviews (39 customer reviews)

ewtn.com/library/LITURGY/CASING.TXT
 
And then there was the elimination of Gregorian Chant … which reminds me of the book, “Why Catholics Can’t Sing”.

Why Catholics Can’t Sing: The Culture of Catholicism and the Triumph of Bad Taste [Paperback]
Thomas Day (Author)
4.1 out of 5 stars See all reviews (39 customer reviews)

ewtn.com/library/LITURGY/CASING.TXT
One thing I know about Catholics and singing hymns From reading about the history of parishes in my city Grand Rapids Michigan. Before recent times Irish and German parishes were called “silent churches” because of the lack of music at their Masses. Especially called that by the Polish. Catholics don’t sing very well because music is notr the most important part of Mass, whereas at a Protestant service is usually is most imoportant. I find music to be a distraction from praying myself, so a Mass without music is fine weith me.
 
It is no secret that many young students ( and the innocent in the general public ) are loosing their faith because of indoctrination by intellectual " superiors " at High School, College, or University. Your child’s faith is being destroyed by the Pied Pipers of a pseudo science by which they try to convince your child God does not exist and all religion is worse than foolishness.

If you doubt my word just start reading almost any thread in the Philosophy forum and you will see the kind of nonsense that is leading your child and perhaps yourself astray.

How do you protect your child, how do you protect yourself against this aggresive lie ?

I would suggest you take a look at the Magis Center of Reason and Faith and see some of the resources that can help. magisreasonfaith.org/free_dvd.html

While it is true that this pseudo scinece/philosophy is pure nonsense, it cannot be ignored because the practioners are extremely clever. They deserve to be hooted out of town. And in a sane, rational society they would be. But today we no longer live in a sane, rational society. So prepare yourself. It is not necessary that you argue with these people because they are the most expert Sophists that ever existed. But it is necessary to understand the foolishness upon which they stand. That way you and your children can just ignore them and quitely lead a life of reason and faith.

Linus2nd
If a child is intelligent enough to make it to college in the first place, that child is probably intelligent enough to know/discern what is and what isn’t garbage. If Catholic society cannot function through responsible, intelligent members who know their stuff as well as know where they stand* (ESPECIALLY in the face of conflicting material), then Catholic society (at least in the “higher up” area) is a goner.

Children need to be raised, not sheltered.

*I didn’t bother with the link so I don’t know what exactly is being referenced specifically, but our college system in general is becoming very… ehh… sub-standard. In more than one way.
 
If a child is intelligent enough to make it to college in the first place, that child is probably intelligent enough to know/discern what is and what isn’t garbage. If Catholic society cannot function through responsible, intelligent members who know their stuff as well as know where they stand* (ESPECIALLY in the face of conflicting material), then Catholic society (at least in the “higher up” area) is a goner.

Children need to be raised, not sheltered.

*I didn’t bother with the link so I don’t know what exactly is being referenced specifically, but our college system in generally is becoming very… ehh… sub-standard. In more than one way.
Yes raised mot sheltered. When I went to Central Michigan University. After a Mass one weeked where Bishop Uetener had Mass. He and I had a friendly little debate over why he got rid of kneeling during eucharistic prayer. He seemed dumbfounded that a college kid would dare debate him over anything. I was raised to think for myself.👍
 
If they’re mature enough to handle college, then they can defend any outside indoctrination. Besides, maybe they’ll seek a field of science as a major. You never know. The student who loves science today could be the next Jonas Salk tomorrow.
 
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‘Gay lessons’ in maths, geography and science
Children are to be taught about homosexuality in maths, geography and science lessons as part of a Government-backed drive to “celebrate the gay community”.

Thanks ED. Those who think that just because they think they can stand on their own two feet should be aware that others need to be prepared for what will confront them. The secular agenda has been at work in our schools, colleges, and universities since the late 1800’s, steadily gaining strength. Now it is universally pervasive as the examlples you linked make clear. Linus2nd
 
Beyond Diversity Day is a handbook for teachers, counselors, administrators, policy makers, parents, and students who want to understand and affirm sexuality differences; promote and protect the well-being of all students; and reduce bigotry, self-hatred, and violence. In question-and-answer format, Arthur Lipkin offers advice on how to nurture positive relationships among glbt youth, their families, and the schools; welcome glbt families in the school community; support glbt educators; and incorporate sound and appropriate glbt-related curricula across disciplines. Written by a veteran high school and university teacher and staff developer, Beyond Diversity Day weaves sound scholarship with vivid real-world examples from classrooms and the media. It offers a compelling blueprint for working with diverse students and for improving schools.

‘Gay lessons’ in maths, geography and science
Children are to be taught about homosexuality in maths, geography and science lessons as part of a Government-backed drive to “celebrate the gay community”.

Thanks ED. Those who think that just because they think they can stand on their own two feet should be aware that others need to be prepared for what will confront them. The secular agenda has been at work in our schools, colleges, and universities since the late 1800’s, steadily gaining strength. Now it is universally pervasive as the examlples you linked make clear. Linus2nd
Remember the story about the boy who cried wolf. The sky is not falling!
 
The idea that the teaching has changed radically since the late 1800’s is valid and true.

Read the book, “After The Ball”, which is the battle plan for full acceptance of homosexuality.

Get a copy of “None Dare Call It Treason” by John A. Stormer … look him up. Read the book. His research is exhaustive.

The time period during the Mass when the people went up to receive Holy Communion was supposed to be silent … no music … so people could reflect on their sins and say the Act of Contrition … was changed with music. Got so bad at one point that there was music during the Consecration … that got stopped. Some folks “retranslated” a word to make the silent ambience into “hubub”.

People used to go up to receive Holy Communion individually … IF they were in the proper state of grace, etc. THAT got changed and in the “interest of traffic management” people went to receive Holy Communion one pew at a time … EVERYONE … with the ushers enforcing the edict that everyone receive. What happened is that many people who were not properly disposed were embarrassed and eventually they stopped attending Mass to avoid a sacrilege. Mass attendance dropped off to the point that the Mass schedules were changed … to allow more time in between … so fewer Masses were offered. It used to be that many parishes had Sunday Masses every hour on the hour … and some even had a second set of Masses in the hall or basement on the half-hour.

Bishop Ted Untener … he called himself Bishop Ted … [1937 - 2004 ] wrote a bunch of small Lenten and Advent booklets with brief meditations … Diocese of Saginaw … but sometimes there were little insertions that caused the eyebrows to raise.
 
TWO EXAMPLES

cnsnews.com/blog/l-brent-bozell-iii/gay-and-godless-public-school-stage

Gay and Godless on the Public-School Stage
By L. Brent Bozell III

clashdaily.com/2013/03/university-apologizes-for-stomping-on-jesus-assignment/

University Apologizes for “Stomping on Jesus” Assignment

Linus2nd
Gay and Godless– The school wound up with bad publicity. I doubt it’ll happen again
Stomping on Jesus– One teacher. Not a university making it part of a curriculum, ONE TEACHER. And he got severely reprimanded for it
More Examples

amren.com/news/2013/03/wisconsin-education-program-attacks-white-privilege-in-classrooms/

The four-year-old CREATE Wisconsin education initiative was ostensibly designed to help public school educators reach disadvantaged students. Now, thanks to an EAG News expose, CREATE , the acronym for Culturally Responsive Education for All: Training and Enhancement, may be more notorious for its racially charged teaching points, including:

dougbrittonbooks.com/onlinebiblestudies-cultureandsocietyinfluences/bepreparedforteacherstoattackchristianity.php

If you are a student in a high school, college or university, don’t be surprised to hear seemingly sophisticated attacks on the Bible from teachers of psychology, history, sociology or almost any other field. Respect your teachers and/or professors, yet be prepared for assaults on your faith. Many teachers are balanced and fair, and a number are sincere Christians. Yet many teachers and professors hold anti-Christian beliefs and will make a concerted effort to influence you.

firstfreedom.mncc.org/2012/08/religious-beliefs-increasingly-under-attack-on-campus/

This fall at Vanderbilt University, the group Vanderbilt Catholic — a student group with some 500 members — will be moving off campus, and not by choice. It has been ordered to change its name. Along with at least eleven other religious groups, Vandy Catholic won’t be officially recognized by the school as an organization, because it won’t allow leaders of the organization to be non-Catholics. You read that correctly.

More to come later. Linus2nd
Be Prepared– You said it yourself. Not all teachers are going to attack your faith. I, for one, have never had any of those teachers. Also, not actually having read most of the epistles, I wouldn’t think it’s far-fetched at all to say to say they’re about love. Remember, love is why God sent Jesus.

Vanderbilt– Okay. I agree they should keep a religious exemption clause in that rule. But at the same time, you can’t claim they’re being anti-Catholic. Anti-religious, maybe, but it’s affecting all the religious groups. And probably even atheistic groups, if those exist. Don’t attribute to malice what can be explained as a dumb idea. And from Part II, places ARE allowed to restrict rights. Yes we have free speech, but teachers still have every right, for instance, to reprimand you for verbally attacking them in class. It’s disappointing that they restricted those rights at a protest (which covers multiple rights), but I can at least understand the reasoning.
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  1. The (name removed by moderator)ut Challenge
    Freshmen usually are intimidated by college professors. The tsunami of information in classes made it difficult to think through the subject matter. A number of students had likable and intelligent professors who “refused to tolerate students’ beliefs as viable” and actively sought to change their convictions. The lack of a commensurate (name removed by moderator)ut of spiritual truth began a slide away from faith
dailytheology.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/thoughts-from-the-science-classroom-faith-what-faith/
From physics to biology to chemistry and beyond, students struggle with new scientific ideas when facing a scientific theory or development that seems to contradict a theological doctrine that the student may have believed strongly even a day prior. Theologians have realized this for a while, and have constructed helpful models in order to help us encounter such difficulties


Create subtle reminders with banners on classroom computers: “Make God Smile,” “Jesus Is Present,” or “God Will Always Love You.”

Linus2nd
Top 10 Challenges– “A number of students” I want numbers. Actually, this one intrigues me. I wonder if there’s any correlation between religion at the beginning of college and at the end. Is there one religion that more people join? Is there one religion with much fewer people converting away? I might look into this, actually

Thoughts from the Science Classroom– I, for one, have never felt my faith conflicted by learning about evolution or the Big Bang. I support, as the article names it, the independence view. I’ve always felt that, in short, science describes how things work and religion describes why. It might be more difficult for Young-Earth Creationists, but overall, I don’t see too much of a problem here.

Religious classroom– I have issues with this bullet. I’m religious, and yet I still think something like that would get irritating as a background. Not because of the words, just because it’s text. Backgrounds, IMO, should be pictorial, with the only text being a reminder of school computer use policies
 
Beyond Diversity Day is a handbook for teachers, counselors, administrators, policy makers, parents, and students who want to understand and affirm sexuality differences; promote and protect the well-being of all students; and reduce bigotry, self-hatred, and violence. In question-and-answer format, Arthur Lipkin offers advice on how to nurture positive relationships among glbt youth, their families, and the schools; welcome glbt families in the school community; support glbt educators; and incorporate sound and appropriate glbt-related curricula across disciplines. Written by a veteran high school and university teacher and staff developer, Beyond Diversity Day weaves sound scholarship with vivid real-world examples from classrooms and the media. It offers a compelling blueprint for working with diverse students and for improving schools.

‘Gay lessons’ in maths, geography and science
Children are to be taught about homosexuality in maths, geography and science lessons as part of a Government-backed drive to “celebrate the gay community”.

Thanks ED. Those who think that just because they think they can stand on their own two feet should be aware that others need to be prepared for what will confront them. The secular agenda has been at work in our schools, colleges, and universities since the late 1800’s, steadily gaining strength. Now it is universally pervasive as the examlples you linked make clear. Linus2nd
Beyond Diversity Day– First off, it’s always LGBT not GLBT. Second, unless it’s pushing gay ‘marriage’ as the only possible option, I don’t see too much of a problem. Remember, we are not called to hate homosexuals! We think their attraction is disordered that that homosexual ACTS are sinful, but I see no reason not to promote respect.

Gay Lessons–
  1. It’s not universally liked
  2. It’s optional
  3. In math classes, I see no problem with it. What difference does it honestly make if you’re making a 1-sample p-interval to find the actual proportion of homosexuals instead of the actual proportion of blue eyes?
  4. So… Kids shouldn’t know that male seahorses give birth? :confused: I’ve always thought that was kinda cool
    4a) Also, they shouldn’t think men can raise kids? There can very well be a heterosexual couple with a working mom and stay-at-home dad
 
Gay and Godless– The school wound up with bad publicity. I doubt it’ll happen again
Stomping on Jesus– One teacher. Not a university making it part of a curriculum, ONE TEACHER. And he got severely reprimanded for it
Considering the actual content of said teacher’s actions, a “severe reprimand” is actually pretty light for a punishment.
 
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