Protestant beliefs?

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I’m not good at explaining it in my own words so I will snip some others words…italics mine.

From my Daughters Catechism book:
Ok. So the more you act to the will of God the more sanctifed you become yet nothing can break your intial santification even though sin can lead into backsliding. And where can backsliding lead?

Thanks and God bless,
Jonfan
 
Ok. So the more you act to the will of God the more sanctifed you become yet nothing can break your intial santification even though sin can lead into backsliding. And where can backsliding lead?

Thanks and God bless,
Jonfan
There are two basic schools of thought here:

Excessive backsliding will cause a seperation from God that will make your life very difficult - you will find it harder and harder to not sin, you will suffer earthly consequences and the Holy Spirit will try to guide you to repentance. Refusal to repent and “Sin no more” can eventually lead to Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which is unforgiveable and will lead to hell.

Or the OSAS version, if someone is behaving that way (Sinning without repentance, not obeying God’s commandments) they were never Justified by their Faith in the first place because you have to have adequate faith to be justified. With faith, you will be able to follow God’s commands. If they are never justified by their Faith they are going to Hell.

Either way you have protestants who must obey Gods Commandments or go to hell.
 
If Charles Stanley accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior, he DID something. He may not classify it as such, but, in the end, he did something that those who are not saved did not. So, I would say Dr. Stanley believes we are saved by only one work - accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior.
 
Excessive backsliding will cause a seperation from God that will make your life very difficult - you will find it harder and harder to not sin, you will suffer earthly consequences and the Holy Spirit will try to guide you to repentance. Refusal to repent and “Sin no more” can eventually lead to Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which is unforgiveable and will lead to hell.
Did you really mean to say that by “backsliding” you will find it harder NOT to sin???

Or do you mean that by “backsliding” you will fint it Harder to AVOID sin??? In other words sin becomes easier!
 
Did you really mean to say that by “backsliding” you will find it harder NOT to sin???

Or do you mean that by “backsliding” you will fint it Harder to AVOID sin??? In other words sin becomes easier!
blah yes, typo… I was trying to type “harder to not sin”… Yes, in other words, sinning becomes easier.
 
blah yes, typo… I was trying to type “harder to not sin”… Yes, in other words, sinning becomes easier.
Okay I’m not getting it. I don’t understand how “harder to not sin” means sinning becomes easier. :confused:

If they are NOT sinning, how does it become easier to sin???

Please help!!!

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There are two basic schools of thought here:

Excessive backsliding will cause a seperation from God that will make your life very difficult - you will find it harder and harder to not sin, you will suffer earthly consequences and the Holy Spirit will try to guide you to repentance. Refusal to repent and “Sin no more” can eventually lead to Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which is unforgiveable and will lead to hell.

Or the OSAS version, if someone is behaving that way (Sinning without repentance, not obeying God’s commandments) they were never Justified by their Faith in the first place because you have to have adequate faith to be justified. With faith, you will be able to follow God’s commands. If they are never justified by their Faith they are going to Hell.

Either way you have protestants who must obey Gods Commandments or go to hell.
Ok so one must truly repent for their sins or they can face hell. Correct?
 
Okay I’m not getting it. I don’t understand how “harder to not sin” means sinning becomes easier. :confused:

If they are NOT sinning, how does it become easier to sin???

Please help!!!

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Originally Posted by jonfan
Ok so one must truly repent for their sins or they can face hell. Correct?

Catholics believe this too.
yes, I know but the Catholic Belief is lstill different. More on again off again in the being saved department. Protestants remain saved until they reach a point of no return.
 
yes, I know but the Catholic Belief is lstill different. More on again off again in the being saved department. Protestants remain saved until they reach a point of no return.
Ok. So if Protestants don’t repent a sin they still go to heaven? Wouldn’t this defy Christian theology?
 
What God loving person would not perform acts of mercy? Charity? Love? Compassion? Forgiveness? These are all ‘works’ of our faith. These ‘acts’ are fruits of our faith. One should perform ‘good works,’ if one claims he/she is Christian…this is how I look at it.
 
What God loving person would not perform acts of mercy? Charity? Love? Compassion? Forgiveness? These are all ‘works’ of our faith. These ‘acts’ are fruits of our faith. One should perform ‘good works,’ if one claims he/she is Christian…this is how I look at it.
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Ok. So if Protestants don’t repent a sin they still go to heaven? Wouldn’t this defy Christian theology?
No, part of becoming a Christian is repenting of all your sins to begin with… then God adopts us as sons.

“For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons” (Hebrews 12:6-8).

When you adopt a child you do not throw them out of your house and disown them everytime they sin. But this does not mean God ignores our sin. I have a child and when she disobeys there are consequences, but one of them is not to be disowned. Before we are adopted by God, the punishment for ALL sin is death (and hell). After we have been redeemed by Christ. If I die during God’s “Chastening” and had not yet come to repentance, God will still see me as His child. You cannot Trick God though, He knows who is trying to get away with something and who made a genuine mistake! Either you want to be a part of God’s family or you don’t.

You can’t just stand up and annouce you plan to give up all for God and you are instantly adopted by Him unless your Faith is true.
 
What God loving person would not perform acts of mercy? Charity? Love? Compassion? Forgiveness? These are all ‘works’ of our faith. These ‘acts’ are fruits of our faith. One should perform ‘good works,’ if one claims he/she is Christian…this is how I look at it.
I agree whatevergirl. it’s hard for me to fathom all these “Well, If I’m not immeadiately damned to Hell why should I bother obeying God?” type questions. We obey God and Do good works because we LOVE God. IF you don’t have Faith and Love God it’s all for nothing anyhow.
 
No, part of becoming a Christian is repenting of all your sins to begin with… then God adopts us as sons.

“For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons” (Hebrews 12:6-8).

When you adopt a child you do not throw them out of your house and disown them everytime they sin. But this does not mean God ignores our sin. I have a child and when she disobeys there are consequences, but one of them is not to be disowned. Before we are adopted by God, the punishment for ALL sin is death (and hell). After we have been redeemed by Christ. If I die during God’s “Chastening” and had not yet come to repentance, God will still see me as His child. You cannot Trick God though, He knows who is trying to get away with something and who made a genuine mistake! Either you want to be a part of God’s family or you don’t.

You can’t just stand up and annouce you plan to give up all for God and you are instantly adopted by Him unless your Faith is true.
Well I totally believe in God’s mercy. I also believe he despises sin. Do you believe if you died before you were unable to repent you would have to be sanctified pure before meeting God or do you believe your soul is already pure from accepting Christ?
 
yes, I know but the Catholic Belief is lstill different. More on again off again in the being saved department. Protestants remain saved until they reach a point of no return.
can you define ‘point of no return?’ who decides that? if i sin once, or 10 times…it’s still considered ‘sin’ in God’s eyes. A white lie compared to adultery…no comparison…but adultery begins as a decline in our conscienceness. A decline in our moral thinking. People who commit big sins, typically started with smaller sins…if we wait until someone is to the point of no return…will they ever return, then?

Catholics believe we are saved by God’s grace…through Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. But, with this sacrifice, comes a reponsibility. Just because I say I’m married…and I have a piece of paper and a wedding ceremony to prove it…doesn’t mean that I don’t have a responsibility to my spouse. With love…comes responsibility.

I have a responsibility to Christ…to ACT like I’m saved…not just ‘say’ I’m saved. If I say that I’m saved…and believe I am saved…then, I must back up my faith…with my positive (HOLY) actions for Christ.

Pope JP2’s book…‘Love and Responsibility’ talks about just this very topic.
 
Assurance of Salvation?:
Ewin says that “no wrong act or sinful deed can ever affect the believer’s salvation. The sinner did nothing to merit God’s grace and likewise he can do nothing to demerit grace. True, sinful conduct always lessens one’s fellowship with Christ, limits his contribution to God’s work and can result in serious disciplinary action by the Holy Spirit.”

One problem with this argument is that this is not even how things work in everyday life. If another person gives us something as a grace—as a gift—and even if we did nothing to deserve it (though frequently gifts are given based on our having pleased the one bestowing the gift), it in no way follows that our actions are irrelevant to whether or not we keep the gift. We can lose it in all kinds of ways. We can misplace it, destroy it, give it to someone else, take it back to the store. We may even forfeit something we were given by later displeasing the one who gave it—as when a person has been appointed to a special position but is later stripped of that position on account of mismanagement.

The argument fares no better when one turns to Scripture, for one finds that Adam and Eve, who received God’s grace in a manner just as unmerited as anyone today, most definitely did demerit it—and lost grace not only for themselves but for us as well (cf. also Rom. 11:17-24). While the idea that what is received without merit cannot be lost by demerit may have a kind of poetic charm for some, it does not stand up when compared with the way things really work—either in the everyday world or in the Bible.

Regarding the issue of whether Christians have an “absolute” assurance of salvation, regardless of their actions, consider this warning Paul gave: “See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off” (Rom. 11:22; see also Heb. 10:26–29, 2 Pet. 2:20–21).
web-link:
catholic.com/library/Assurance_of_Salvation.asp
 
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