Protestant Bible vs Catholic- when did they lose the extra books?

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I can’t seem to find the answer to this question anywhere, and I’ve really looked. I know Martin Luther segregated the seven books of the Catholic old testament out of his bible, and relegated them to the back of his version. My question is: when, exactly, did the subsequent protestant bibles completely omit those seven books? Which edition was it, what year, who made the decision? I can’t believe I can’t find this basic history anywhere on the web. Maybe someone can point me to this information. Thanks!
 
I can’t seem to find the answer to this question anywhere, and I’ve really looked. I know Martin Luther segregated the seven books of the Catholic old testament out of his bible, and relegated them to the back of his version. My question is: when, exactly, did the subsequent protestant bibles completely omit those seven books? Which edition was it, what year, who made the decision? I can’t believe I can’t find this basic history anywhere on the web. Maybe someone can point me to this information. Thanks!
Here;'s an excerpt from an article by Jimmy Akin, with a link to the full article below.

The Reformation Attack on the Bible

The deuterocanonicals teach Catholic doctrine, and for this reason they were taken out of the Old Testament by Martin Luther and placed in an appendix without page numbers. Luther also took out four New Testament books—Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation—and put them in an appendix without page numbers as well. These were later put back into the New Testament by other Protestants, but the seven books of the Old Testament were left out. Following Luther they had been left in an appendix to the Old Testament, and eventually the appendix itself was dropped (in 1827 by the British and Foreign Bible Society), which is why these books are not found at all in most contemporary Protestant Bibles, though they were appendicized in classic Protestant translations such as the King James Version.

The reason they were dropped is that they teach Catholic doctrines that the Protestant Reformers chose to reject. Earlier we cited an example where the book of Hebrews holds up to us an Old Testament example from 2 Maccabees 7, an incident not to be found anywhere in the Protestant Bible, but easily discoverable in the Catholic Bible. Why would Martin Luther cut out this book when it is so clearly held up as an example to us by the New Testament? Simple: A few chapters later it endorses the practice of praying for the dead so that they may be freed from the consequences of their sins (2 Macc. 12:41-45); in other words, the Catholic doctrine of purgatory. Since Luther chose to reject the historic Christian teaching of purgatory (which dates from before the time of Christ, as 2 Maccabees shows), he had to remove that book from the Bible and appendicize it. (Notice that he also removed Hebrews, the book which cites 2 Maccabees, to an appendix as well.)

To justify this rejection of books that had been in the Bible since before the days of the apostles (for the Septuagint was written before the apostles), the early Protestants cited as their chief reason the fact that the Jews of their day did not honor these books, going back to the council of Javneh in A.D. 90. But the Reformers were aware of only European Jews; they were unaware of African Jews, such as the Ethiopian Jews who accept the deuterocanonicals as part of their Bible. They glossed over the references to the deuterocanonicals in the New Testament, as well as its use of the Septuagint. They ignored the fact that there were multiple canons of the Jewish Scriptures circulating in first century, appealing to a post-Christian Jewish council which has no authority over Christians as evidence that “The Jews don’t except these books.” In short, they went to enormous lengths to rationalize their rejection of these books of the Bible.

Rewriting Church History

In later years they even began to propagate the myth that the Catholic Church “added” these seven books to the Bible at the Council of Trent! Protestants also try to distort the patristic evidence in favor of the deuterocanonicals. Some flatly state that the early Church Fathers did not accept them, while others make the more moderate claim that certain important Fathers, such as Jerome, did not accept them.

It is true that Jerome, and a few other isolated writers, did not accept most of the deuterocanonicals as Scripture. However, Jerome was persuaded, against his original inclination, to include the deuterocanonicals in his Vulgate edition of the Scriptures—testimony to the fact that the books were commonly accepted and were expected to be included in any edition of the Scriptures.

Furthermore, it can be documented that in his later years Jerome did accept certain deuterocanonical parts of the Bible. In his reply to Rufinus, he stoutly defended the deuterocanonical portions of Daniel even though the Jews of his day did not.

He wrote, “What sin have I committed if I followed the judgment of the churches? But he who brings charges against me for relating the objections that the Hebrews are wont to raise against the story of Susanna, the Son of the Three Children, and the story of Bel and the Dragon, which are not found in the Hebrew volume, proves that he is just a foolish sycophant. For I was not relating my own personal views, but rather the remarks that they [the Jews] are wont to make against us” (Against Rufinus 11:33 [A.D. 402]). Thus Jerome acknowledged the principle by which the canon was settled—the judgment of the Church, not of later Jews.

Other writers Protestants cite as objecting to the deuterocanonicals, such as Athanasius and Origin, also accepted some or all of them as canonical. For example, Athanasius, accepted the book of Baruch as part of his Old Testament (Festal Letter 39), and Origin accepted all of the deuterocanonicals, he simply recommended not using them in disputations with Jews.

However, despite the misgivings and hesitancies of a few individual writers such as Jerome, the Church remained firm in its historic affirmation of the deuterocanonicals as Scripture handed down from the apostles. Protestant patristics scholar J. N. D. Kelly remarks that in spite of Jerome’s doubt, “For the great majority, however, the deutero-canonical writings ranked as Scripture in the fullest sense. Augustine, for example, whose influence in the West was decisive, made no distinction between them and the rest of the Old Testament . . . The same inclusive attitude to the Apocrypha was authoritatively displayed at the synods of Hippo and Carthage in 393 and 397 respectively, and also in the famous letter which Pope Innocent I dispatched to Exuperius, bishop of Toulouse, in 405” (Early Christian Doctrines, 55-56).

It is thus a complete myth that, as Protestants often charge, the Catholic Church “added” the deuterocanonicals to the Bible at the Council of Trent. These books had been in the Bible from before the time canon was initially settled in the 380s. All the Council of Trent did was reaffirm, in the face of the new Protestant attack on Scripture, what had been the historic Bible of the Church—the standard edition of which was Jerome’s own Vulgate, including the seven deuterocanonicals!

LINK to full article
 
Actually, I think that the Deuterocanonical books were put in the appendix because they were not in the Hebrew Bible.
 
“Following Luther they had been left in an appendix to the Old Testament, and eventually the appendix itself was dropped (in 1827 by the British and Foreign Bible Society), which is why these books are not found at all in most contemporary Protestant Bibles, though they were appendicized in classic Protestant translations such as the King James Version.”

Thank you Gabriel Serafin, I finally have an answer! 🙂
 
I do not know the accuracy of this English Bible History site, and it is very protestant, but it seems to point to the 1880s (scroll down to Noah Webster) when someone, again by their own authority - but this time anonymous - flat out removed the books. In American protestant bibles, the Deuterocanon was then downgraded even further and lumped together with the mutually-agreed upon non-canonical writings and summarily dumped.

I see that they still attempt to defend the indefensible “inter-testamental period”, seen here in this Bible Time Line, and which is contrary to the words of our Lord in Matthew 11:13 “The law and the prophets prophesied until John (Baptist)”, as well as being strangely absent in prophecy.

Yet, one must fill the void even with man-made doctrines (the inter-testamental “vacationing” God), since a complete hole in history is rather more embarrassing to explain. Yet, the silent inter-testamental God of protestant bibles does strike me as eerily similar to Elijah demanding to know from the prophets of Baal (1 Kings 18:27-29) just where their god was…
 
I can’t seem to find the answer to this question anywhere, and I’ve really looked. I know Martin Luther segregated the seven books of the Catholic old testament out of his bible, and relegated them to the back of his version. My question is: when, exactly, did the subsequent protestant bibles completely omit those seven books? Which edition was it, what year, who made the decision? I can’t believe I can’t find this basic history anywhere on the web. Maybe someone can point me to this information. Thanks!
It starts with the British Foreign Bible society…en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha

This hostile attitude towards the Apocrypha (considered Catholic by some British Protestants) is represented by the refusal of the British and Foreign Bible Society in the early 19th century to print it (see below).

All King James Bibles published before 1666 included the Apocrypha.[18] In 1826,[19] the British and Foreign Bible Society decided that no BFBS funds were to pay for printing any Apocryphal books anywhere. Since then most modern editions of the Bible and reprintings of the King James Bible omit the Apocrypha section. In the 18th century, the Apocrypha section was omitted from the Challoner revision of the Douay-Rheims version. In the 1979 revision of the Vulgate, the section was dropped.

The American Bible Society lifted restrictions on the publication of Bibles with the Apocrypha in 1964. The British and Foreign Bible Society followed in 1966.[20] The Stuttgart edition of the Vulgate (the printed edition, not most of the on-line editions), which is published by the UBS, contains the Clementine Apocrypha as well as the Epistle to the Laodiceans and Psalm 151.
 
I can’t seem to find the answer to this question anywhere, and I’ve really looked. I know Martin Luther segregated the seven books of the Catholic old testament out of his bible, and relegated them to the back of his version. My question is: when, exactly, did the subsequent protestant bibles completely omit those seven books? Which edition was it, what year, who made the decision? I can’t believe I can’t find this basic history anywhere on the web. Maybe someone can point me to this information. Thanks!
Maybe I can provide some insight into your question. You are obviously referring to the deuterocanonical books. My information tells me that the Edinburgh Committee of the British Foreign Bible Society took out those books in 1825. I am sorry that I do not know the edition nor have been able to find out. However, I wish to further point out that history shows that Catholics did not add the books, but Protestants removed them.

You are pretty accurate about what you stated what Luther did to those books. Let me try to explain this. The Catholic Church, at the Council of Rome in 382, decided upon a canon of 46 OT books and 27 NT books. Five later councils ratified that decision–including the one at Trent (1546). Martin Luther included the deuterocanonical books in his first German translation. The first King James Version (1611) also has them–and in the Guttenberg Bible (a century before Trent). These books were included in almost every Bible–at least in an appendix of Protestant Bibles. This was until the Edinburgh Committee made the decision in 1825 that I mentioned earlier.
You can find this information and more here.
archive.catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0009sbs.asp
It was probably very fortunate that you decided to post your question here, since we are practically talking about this site. Happy hunting, and may you be inspired.
 
Thanks everyone for all the clarifying answers. This leads to another question: all evidence points to the British and Foreign Bible Society as the culprit. So why does this society have such influence? Were they the only bible printers in the English-speaking world? What makes their opinion of what the bible should look like the “gospel truth”? Why do all other bible publishers follow suit? Are they all lemmings? Thanks! :confused:
 
Thanks everyone for all the clarifying answers. This leads to another question: all evidence points to the British and Foreign Bible Society as the culprit. So why does this society have such influence? Were they the only bible printers in the English-speaking world? What makes their opinion of what the bible should look like the “gospel truth”? Why do all other bible publishers follow suit? Are they all lemmings? Thanks! :confused:
At first blush, it appears to be because they serve the King, who is Anglican.
 
Actually, I think that the Deuterocanonical books were put in the appendix because they were not in the Hebrew Bible.
Realize that Martin Luther removed 7 Old Testament books based upon what the European Jews of his day considered part of their canon of Scripture. Luther did not realize that the European Jews of his day were using a canon assembled in the year 90 AD—long after the resurrection and the establishment of the Church—when Christianity was spreading like wildfire, the unconverted Jews who rejected Jesus Christ dismissed the Septuagint (the Greek version of the Old Testament). Most of Jesus’ quotes from the Old Testament are from the Septuagint, and one of these books was the Book of Wisdom which has describes the prophecy about the suffering messiah. Take a look at one of the books you will not find in your Protestant Bible–thanks to Luther’s folly:
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Let us therefore lie in wait for the just, because he is not for our turn, and he is contrary to our doings, and upbraids us with transgressions of the law, and divulges against us the sins of our way of life. He boasts that he has the knowledge of God, and calls himself the son of God. He has become a censurer of our thoughts. He is grievous unto us, even to behold: for his life is not like other men’s, and his ways are very different. We are esteemed by him as triflers, and he abstains from our ways as from filthiness, and he prefers the latter end of the just, and glories that he has God for his father. Let us see then if his words be true, and let us prove what shall happen to him, and we shall know what his end shall be. For if he be the true son of God, he will defend him, and will deliver him from the hands of his enemies. Let us examine him by outrages and tortures, that we may know his meekness and try his patience. Let us condemn him to a most shameful death: for there shall be respect had unto him by his words." Wisdom 2:12-20*
 
The development of different canons in Judaism and Christianity is quite a complicated subject. One book that I very much appreciate that attempts to explain the complicated process is The Canon Debate.

It is certainly the case that in the first centuries of the Church, there was substantial dispute over what constituted the Old Testament Canon. Looking at Appendices C and D of the above cited book:
  • We have differing lists from the Eastern Churches (Melito, Origen, Athansius, Cyril, Epiphanius [we have three different lists from him], Gregory, and Amphilochius;
  • While in the Western Churches we have differing lists from Hilary, Jerome [two different lists from him], Rufinus, Augustine, and Carthage.
  • Turning to the major early editions of the Septuagints we have – we have different sets of books in Vaticuanus, Sinaitcus, and Alexandrinus.
Even as late as Trent we still some flexibility in the canon – thus Clement VIII issued his edition of the Vulgate after Trent with an Appendix containing additional books in an appendix. (Thus, our Eastern friends may well ask – when did Rome lose the extra books?)

There are also fascinating questions about the New Testament canon which was in flux even as late as the sixth century. Many of the books previously in the New Testament but ultimately excluded are now in the collections known as The Apostolic Fathers. These sometimes have titles similar to books mentioned in the New Testament such as “The Prior Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians” (referenced at 1 Corinthians 5:9), or “The Epistle of Paul to the Laodiceans” (referenced at Colossians 4:16), or “The Epistle of John to the Church Ruled by Diotrephes” (referenced at 3 John 1:9). Some older editions of the Vulgate include something called “the Epistle to the Laodiceans,” although scholarly consensus is that it is not the work referenced in Colossians 4:16).

Jude 1:14-15 actually quotes from 1 Enoch.

Similarly, there are works mentioned in the Old Testament that are now lost, such as the Book of Jasher (Joshua 10:13, 2 Samuel 1:18) and so forth.

We can say that today, various religious groups (Jews, various Protestant denominations, Catholics, various Eastern Churches) have canons that are fixed. (Although, in a few cases, they still seem a bit fluid – e.g., different Anglican and Lutheran subgroups have different attitudes towards the Deuterocanon; the “narrower” and “broader” canons of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church). Rather than have an attitude of triumphalism (“our canon is better than theirs”)

I think the best attitude is to regard our canon as sacred scripture, while still respecting the canons of other faith traditions. (Note in particular that even if a book is not part of the canon, it can still be morally and spiritually valuable – which is presumably why Clement VIII included those additional books in the appendix to his Vulage.)
 
This is a long complex subject.

May I recommend Why Catholic Bibles are Bigger by Gary Michuta? You can see it here.

I’ve read it cover to cover and learned a lot concerning this topic–too much to go into here–and I think this will answer all of your questions.

The Protestant removal of books and letters of Scripture was a process.
 
I have never understood why Protestants follow the Jewish Canon. Did not Jews reject Jesus as Messiah and Son of God? So the whole Protestant Bible is based on the canon of people who rejected THEIR lord? Makes sense…not!

73 VS 66

6 is the number of man…hmm…

73=7+3=perfect # of God/# within Trinity. WOW!
 
I can’t seem to find the answer to this question anywhere, and I’ve really looked. I know Martin Luther segregated the seven books of the Catholic old testament out of his bible, and relegated them to the back of his version. My question is: when, exactly, did the subsequent protestant bibles completely omit those seven books? Which edition was it, what year, who made the decision? I can’t believe I can’t find this basic history anywhere on the web. Maybe someone can point me to this information. Thanks!
I’ve seen King James Bibles with the Deuterocanon up into the 1830’s, so I’d say that’s when they removed them.
 
I think the Orthodox have a pretty good argument for their canon of Scripture. They are the only ones who use the whole Septuagint. Catholics say the Septuagint is the best, but they don’t use all of the books in it. I’ve always wondered why.
 
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