Protestant - Catholic - Protestant?

[nickybr38]

charity please.

Yes sir. ): That’s something I’m still learning (charity).

Anyway. I apologize for making such blanket statements about our Protestant brothers and sisters and I hope more converts come up and share their stories (if there are any). I would really like to hear your stories guys!

Not because I want to sit in judgment but because I want to understand.

 

[Joseph_LaMothe]

I know of no example. I know of Catholic - Protestant - Catholic. I know many Protestant - Protestant - Protestant (ad infinitum).

As far as cherry picking tangent, lets stay charitable. The term “proof texting” is used for a quote to support and idea with a quote. Catholics tend to know parables or longer stories. We read more Bible than a protestant service. Also, all our prayers are a mixture of TONS of Biblical language. However, we tend not to know where it came from.

If you want to talk to our Protestant Brothers and Sisters it is much better to do so using, at least initially, the language they know and are used to. I would say Catholics don’t memorize proof texts enough. Exactly because it is so effective in talking with Protestants. Talking about how the arc of the covenant is a metaphor for Mary is not much use. However, “But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?” James 2:20 is a fun starting place.

Blessings.

 

[nickybr38]

I know of no example. I know of Catholic - Protestant - Catholic. I know many Protestant - Protestant - Protestant (ad infinitum).

As far as cherry picking tangent, lets stay charitable. The term “proof texting” is used for a quote to support and idea with a quote. Catholics tend to know parables or longer stories. We read more Bible than a protestant service. Also, all our prayers are a mixture of TONS of Biblical language. However, we tend not to know where it came from.

If you want to talk to our Protestant Brothers and Sisters it is much better to do so using, at least initially, the language they know and are used to. I would say Catholics don’t memorize proof texts enough. Exactly because it is so effective in talking with Protestants. Talking about how the arc of the covenant is a metaphor for Mary is not much use. However, “But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?” James 2:20 is a fun starting place.

Blessings.

All very good advice.

I’m an ex-Protestant who can’t quote where something comes from. I can quote Scripture like crazy but I can never remember where it’s from. Haha. So… not all Protestants are taught Scripture memorization either.

 

[pismopal]

**verses that are cherry-picked to make their own doctrine. **

I’m Catholic but I understand both sides, but aren’t some verses “cherry picked” by the CC to make their doctrine cases?

Just seems saying that is hypocritical.

Why would the True Church whose fathers brought us the Bible …selected and pronounced to be the word of God…need to cherry-pick verses to form doctrine? This makes no sense whatsoever. If the early Church wanted to be subjective about what is or is not doctrine…they would have simply left out the books or verses that would conflict. Is there any evidence that they did? On the other hand people who want to… “start their own church” would be heavily inclined to look for verses that could be taken out of context and used as a nucleus for a “new” version of Christianity. Look at the number of denoms with different takes on what the words of the Bible are telling them. Most of them are looking for a way to provide distance between the CC and their own version.
There is a denom in the east which focuses on verses which read…paraphrased…They will take up serpents and not be bitten and take poison and not be harmed… Now I don’t happen to think that those verses want us to handle snakes intentionally but those people do and this is what happens when you cherry-pick. OK… I have given a more obvious and glaring example…there are many more, some even more harmful as they involve souls and not just snake bites. It is your turn to provide an example of the CC cherry-picking verses to form a practice…let alone doctrine and dogma of the CC. PS It is a little discouraging to hear a fellow Catholic with seemingly, such little faith in the formation of doctrine.

 

[pismopal]

**verses that are cherry-picked to make their own doctrine. **

I’m Catholic but I understand both sides, but aren’t some verses “cherry picked” by the CC to make their doctrine cases?

Just seems saying that is hypocritical.

I am going to repeat the challenge I gave you within my earlier post. I want you to provide an example of how the Catholic Church cherry-picked Bible verses in order to form Catholic doctrine. What you posted is outrageous, not just flippant…you cannot make statements like you do and hide them behind the little “smilies”. I am not a hypocrit and the Church did not form doctrine, dogma or even practice, dishonestly. Either back up your accusation or apologise to Catholics here…because I am not going to let it pass. I am going to repeat my challenge to you with every one of your posts until you respond.

 

[Calgar]

I love how Baptists differentiate themselves as other than Protestant.

The SBC has been, and is, working the the roman catholic church to cooperate on many issues that we find ourselves in complete agreement. Here’s one of our documents: sbc.net/resolutions/amResolution.asp?ID=964

Also, just want to point out, baptists aren’t all members of the SBC.

 

[Tyuiop411]

All very good advice.

I’m an ex-Protestant who can’t quote where something comes from. I can quote Scripture like crazy but I can never remember where it’s from. Haha. So… not all Protestants are taught Scripture memorization either.

You too? I’m not an ex-Protestant but I can quote Scripture just like you and I can never remember where it’s from. Usually I’ll just have to respond “Um it’s in the NT somewhere you’ll have to google it”.

Also, just want to point out, baptists aren’t all members of the SBC.

True. But here in the South SBC and Baptist are ubiquitous names, and you usually don’t have one without the other.

 

[cath4alltime]

I’m just curious. Anyone here who was Protestant, converted to Catholicism then converted back to Protestant?

I hear about Catholics who leave the church but I have yet to hear of a convert Catholic who left. I’d be curious to know if there are any and I’d like to hear your reasons.

I did for a time because I always have doubts

 

[hn160]

Why is it that Catholics that become Evangelicals or Lutherans or the other way always try to be Protestant’s Protestant or the Catholic’s Catholic and slam their former Church?

 

[nickybr38]

Why is it that Catholics that become Evangelicals or Lutherans or the other way always try to be Protestant’s Protestant or the Catholic’s Catholic and slam their former Church?

I think, speaking as a convert, that when one converts they hold a tiny bit of resentment towards their former church for perceived lies they’ve been told. Really, I think it’s as simple as that.

I know my issues stem from all the lies I was told about Catholics. That frustrates me a lot… and of course people have lots of experiences within whatever church they’re in and those experiences won’t always be good but when one looks back all they see is the bad.

For example, Catholics who were abused by priests will often look back at the Catholic church and see nothing but bad because of that experience. It’s no different when a Protestant converts to the Catholic faith. We’re human, after all.

 

[Anna_Scott]

The SBC has been, and is, working the the roman catholic church to cooperate on many issues that we find ourselves in complete agreement. Here’s one of our documents: sbc.net/resolutions/amResolution.asp?ID=964

Also, just want to point out, baptists aren’t all members of the SBC.

. . . .True. But here in the South SBC and Baptist are ubiquitous names, and you usually don’t have one without the other.

Not all Baptists are Southern Baptists, and beliefs among different Baptist denominations can very widely.

However, a Southern Baptist is a member of the Southern Baptist Convention. They are one and the same:

From the Southern Baptist Convention website:

The term “Southern Baptist Convention” refers to both the denomination and its annual meeting. Link: sbc.net/aboutus/default.asp

Peace,
Anna, Anglo Catholic and former Southern Baptist

 

[Anna_Scott]

I think, speaking as a convert, that when one converts they hold a tiny bit of resentment towards their former church for perceived lies they’ve been told. Really, I think it’s as simple as that. . . .

nickybr38,

As a former Southern Baptist, I can relate to what you are saying. Before I left the SBC, I had a number of traumatic experiences—especially once I started questioning certain teachings. Sometimes the hurt runs so deep, it’s difficult to let go. Forgiveness has been a process for me. There have been so many times when I thought I was over it; only to have those hurt feelings and resentment surface again.

Ultimately, we must reach total forgiveness, for the sake of our own souls.

Peace,
Anna

 

[Tyuiop411]

Not all Baptists are Southern Baptists, and beliefs among different Baptist denominations can very widely.

However, a Southern Baptist is a member of the Southern Baptist Convention. They are one and the same:

Peace,
Anna, Anglo Catholic and former Southern Baptist

I know. I have a whole half of my extended family that are all Southern Baptist. What I meant was in the South it’s kinda rare to find a Baptist church that isn’t affiliated with the SBC. I’ve driven past every Baptist church in my city (which isn’t tiny the population is about 120,000) and every single one has “Southern Baptist Convention” under the name of the church.

 

[Anna_Scott]

I know. I have a whole half of my extended family that are all Southern Baptist. What I meant was in the South it’s kinda rare to find a Baptist church that isn’t affiliated with the SBC. I’ve driven past every Baptist church in my city (which isn’t tiny the population is about 120,000) and every single one has “Southern Baptist Convention” under the name of the church.

Tyuiop411,

I get it. You definitely need our prayers. lol

 

[Tyuiop411]

Tyuiop411,

I get it. You definitely need our prayers. lol

Definitely, dealing with Southern Baptists all day can be irritating.

But it’s ridiculous, you can’t go a mile here without tripping over a baptist church.

 

[SwampThingDude]

That is no different than saying I’m Catholc,

Actually it kind of is. The Baptists don’t like the Protestant label because that establishes that there relationship to historical Christianity is that they broke off from another branch and thus loosing whatever historical legitimacy they might have had. And so instead, many of them tried to claim a different a historical tie to the original church that Jesus founded by claiming that the Baptist movement was present in the entire time, just under different titles.

There is no supporting evidence for this as some of the groups that are claimed had beliefs that differed significantly from the Baptists.

 

[SwampThingDude]

nickybr38,

So every Protestant you know “reads the one verse and ignores the rest of Scripture”? How many Protestants would that be, exactly?

Peace,
Anna

As a Catholic, I believe that the New Testament clearly describes a universal church and so by necessity, a protestant can’t be a protestant without ‘cherry picking.’

 

[SwampThingDude]

Why is it that Catholics that become Evangelicals or Lutherans or the other way always try to be Protestant’s Protestant or the Catholic’s Catholic and slam their former Church?

I have a tendency to be that way. I think it was because we are trying to warn people. The people at my former church claimed to have the truth and so I listened to them only to find out they were a bunch of fools. Finding that out has sometimes been painful and so I wish to spare you of that pain.

I am a Catholic because the Protestant Gospel is incomplete and I needed the complete gospel. Within the complete gospel are all the tools to repair a broken soul. The Protestant Gospel is missing part of the gospel and so missing some of the tools.

I know this because I got a version of the incomplete gospel that was missing the particular tools that I needed. I found those tools in the practice of Catholic Christianity.

And so I don’t really consider Protestant Christianity real Christianity. It’s watered down, lazy, cheap, easy and basically worthless. Not of all it but it goes in that direction the farther removed it gets from the Church. Some churches in my city have entirely abandoned any traditions that even remotely resemble mass or any kind of orthodox liturgy. They have replace liturgy with rock concerts. They have made up a bunch of stuff that has no roots as all in historical Christianity.

In what way are these people Christians?

 

[Tyuiop411]

I have a tendency to be that way. I think it was because we are trying to warn people. The people at my former church claimed to have the truth and so I listened to them only to find out they were a bunch of fools. Finding that out has sometimes been painful and so I wish to spare you of that pain.

I am a Catholic because the Protestant Gospel is incomplete and I needed the complete gospel. Within the complete gospel are all the tools to repair a broken soul. The Protestant Gospel is missing part of the gospel and so missing some of the tools.

I know this because I got a version of the incomplete gospel that was missing the particular tools that I needed. I found those tools in the practice of Catholic Christianity.

And so I don’t really consider Protestant Christianity real Christianity. It’s watered down, lazy, cheap, easy and basically worthless. Not of all it but it goes in that direction the farther removed it gets from the Church. Some churches in my city have entirely abandoned any traditions that even remotely resemble mass or any kind of orthodox liturgy. They have replace liturgy with rock concerts. They have made up a bunch of stuff that has no roots as all in historical Christianity.

In what way are these people Christians?

For some branches of Protestantism it’s all about being hip and relevant (which they usually fail at, see “Christian Cheese”). But I’ll never understand what some people get out of going to a church where the service is a concert, maybe an emotional high but that fades in a hour or two.

 

[hn160]

I have a tendency to be that way. I think it was because we are trying to warn people. The people at my former church claimed to have the truth and so I listened to them only to find out they were a bunch of fools. Finding that out has sometimes been painful and so I wish to spare you of that pain.

I am a Catholic because the Protestant Gospel is incomplete and I needed the complete gospel. Within the complete gospel are all the tools to repair a broken soul. The Protestant Gospel is missing part of the gospel and so missing some of the tools.

I know this because I got a version of the incomplete gospel that was missing the particular tools that I needed. I found those tools in the practice of Catholic Christianity.

And so I don’t really consider Protestant Christianity real Christianity. It’s watered down, lazy, cheap, easy and basically worthless. Not of all it but it goes in that direction the farther removed it gets from the Church. Some churches in my city have entirely abandoned any traditions that even remotely resemble mass or any kind of orthodox liturgy. They have replace liturgy with rock concerts. They have made up a bunch of stuff that has no roots as all in historical Christianity.

In what way are these people Christians?

you said the Protestant Gospel is in complete, in what way?
In the Lutheran Church every Lutheran pastor worth his salt will preach a Law and Gospel sermon in which he points to Christ on the cross and what he did for us sinners. We call this the Theology of the Cross. It is said that Lutherans don’t believe in works, we believe that good works will follow naturally in your Christian life but not be counted as righteous before God.
Our Lutheran Divine Service has all elements of the RC Mass except the Sacrifice of the Mass. We believe that the sacrifice was done once by Christ.