Who is being condescending, and why would you expect protestants to be more so than Catholics?
Who here said you are going to Hell?
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Who here said you are going to Hell?
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chesterlab
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Don’t twist my words. No one on catholic answers ever told me I was going to hell. Actually they were personal friends and evangelical bloggers on another site. Some of you I’ve found to be rather condescending to me however. And I stand by that.
I didn’t twist your words, but you’ve stated that some here have been condescending. I just want to make sure that you understand that I, for one, have no intention of being condescending. OTOH, I think you hugely overstated the influence of the Charismatic movement in the LCMS when you said:
- The Missouri Synod has gone over to the Hypercharismatic evangelical movement and they NEVER have the adoration of the eucharist. *
And its simply untrue when you say we do not practice Eucharistic adoration.
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MaryT777
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The definition of Eucharistic adoration for Catholics is not the same as it appears to be
for LCMS Lutherans. Chester was referring to what Catholics would understand Eucharistic adoration to be if I understood correctly.
Mary.
for LCMS Lutherans. Chester was referring to what Catholics would understand Eucharistic adoration to be if I understood correctly.
Mary.
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According to whom? Are the one to make that decision?
For Apostolic succession, one must have a line from the Apostles, an unbroken one. Can you provide an unbroken line from one of the Apostles?
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pablope
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Yes, that is what I understand. The Lutheran adoration is connected to the Liturgy, not a separate one like we Catholics have.
I do not think Lutherans have Adoration chapels either.
Catholics would understand Eucharistic Adoration beyond the sacramental act - perpetual adoration chapels, etc. Yes, I understand that. That’s why a number of us have tried to be specific about how we practice Eucharistic adoration.
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I have spoken to a Catholic priest, as well as someone who was an Episcopal priest. Both have said that TEC has Apostolic succession. The Saint would be Peter. I believe that some of the Bishops from the Catholic Church went to the Episcopal church, when the Church of England broke off from Catholicism. Therefore, there is Apostolic succession.
Since the Catholic Church does not believe that Protestant denominations have Apostolic succession, then why does the Catholic Church consider their baptisms valid? It would seem that the Catholic church’s Nicene creed: “…We acknowledge one baptism
for the forgiveness of sins…” is contradictory. If the Protestants don’t have Apostolic succession, then why does any of it count to the Catholic church?
Not typically, though they can. While the reliquae is not usually reserved except to commune the sick and shut-in, it can be, and in my parish often is, though not displayed.
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The RCC does not agree. As stated in Apostolicae Curae.
Nothing requires the TEC, or Anglicans in general, to accept that. But it is what any RC is required to affirm.
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I can only tell you that Ive been to many Lutheran churches and never once saw adoration offered nor have I experienced adoration in a Lutheran church, and let’s just say I wasn’t born yesterday. I can’t believe ELCA would have it since they are incredibly liberal and most trappings of Lutheran liturgical church are gone in that sect of lutheranism
OK. Lutheran Eucharistic adoration may look different than it does in a Catholic setting, but it is adoration nonetheless. When Lutherans kneel to receive the sacrament, that is adoration. And I’ve seen that in the ELCA, as well. I don’t think their understanding of the sacrament has changed. Their practices surrounding it, such as open communion and female ordination, certainly has changed, sadly.
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I have shared this before…when working in hospice, the son came in to give communion to his father and I stepped into the kitchen.
I heard the prayers…and…I experienced the Lord’s sacred presence between them. The cup of wine was brought into the kitchen and laid on the counter. I wondered how to treat it…I washed the cup and prayed God’s blessings as the remnant of the wine was disposed.
To go further and believe transubstantiation happened there…I remain in the Catholic position…but I do know that I experienced the sacred among them in this private communion service.
Holy Communion is just that…sacred…with no breaks in relationship. I heard an Anglican priest give his testimony on ‘Journey Home’ on EWTN, how he could never make a definitive statement…and continued searching deeper into his soul and there he recognized he was in schism. He eventually became a Catholic priest.
So I also uphold this sacred communion and when we split where we cannot come together before the Lord…I cannot help but believe there is not the fullness of Holy Communion present among us.
I heard the prayers…and…I experienced the Lord’s sacred presence between them. The cup of wine was brought into the kitchen and laid on the counter. I wondered how to treat it…I washed the cup and prayed God’s blessings as the remnant of the wine was disposed.
To go further and believe transubstantiation happened there…I remain in the Catholic position…but I do know that I experienced the sacred among them in this private communion service.
Holy Communion is just that…sacred…with no breaks in relationship. I heard an Anglican priest give his testimony on ‘Journey Home’ on EWTN, how he could never make a definitive statement…and continued searching deeper into his soul and there he recognized he was in schism. He eventually became a Catholic priest.
So I also uphold this sacred communion and when we split where we cannot come together before the Lord…I cannot help but believe there is not the fullness of Holy Communion present among us.
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I’m familiar with this writing. Although I was Anglican I was attending and taking RCIA classes with a Latin rite Catholic Church because I chose to make it my decision to start from scratch to learn all I could about the Catholic Church . I even joined the choir. That was interesting since I had no knowledge of Gregorian chant and I soon grew to love it our choir director is a former seminarian and we Learned the solemn method of chant. I had been in the Methodist choir all of my growing up years and I knew, between the Methodist and my subsequent entry into the Anglican Church, probably almost every hymn in the Protestant Lexicon:Anglican, Methodist and German and French. Entering into the Latin choir was intimidating at first but once I recovered from the shock of the Latin pronunciations, the beautiful chant, and then learning Renaissance and baroque polyphony, I was so happy . It is so beautiful! I am honored to be able to sing this music and participate in the true mass in this way. I have finally found my true calling in life.
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Yep.
And the Dutch Touch is a subject that, as I often have posted on here, has not been officially commented on by the RCC. What has been said about Anglican orders is what was said in Apostolicae Curae (“absolutely null and utterly void”) and confirmed as neccessary to be affirmed by all RC and held, definitvely, in (then Cardinal) Ratzinger’s Doctrinal Commentary on Ad Tuendam Fidem, as stated in the quote. Null and void.
Definitively held by RCs, that is.
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I have spoken to a Catholic priest, as well as someone who was an Episcopal priest. Both have said that TEC has Apostolic succession.
GKC has spoken.(posted as needed…
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More likely, when king Henry VIII was forcing his new Church of England down the throats of his subjects, he gave his bishops a choice: convert to the COE or you will be hanged, drawn and quartered-and so wl your families. Therefore, he had a defacto apostolic succession by force and coersion.
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GKC has spoken.
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