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Why? Because one, I didn’t think it was that relevant to prove my point. And two, your list is not in the bible the way that you have it. I thought you ONLY go by the Bible.
Why don’t you ever comment on my posts and address the issue at hand? You always seem to avoid my questions and comments by making different comments which do not pertain to what I’m trying to say.
Although the verses you used are good ones that describe the Eucharist, the one you put in from John 4 does not pertain to the Eucharist. Perhaps it does in an indirect way. Maybe it could mean that if we receive Jesus in Holy Communion then we can do the Will of the Father because that was the food that Jesus had. But that is the only way that I could see it pertain to this, and that is indirectly or not directly the way the other verses from John chapter 6 describe the Eucharist.
The Eucharist is not merely symbolic. The Eucharist is the real presence of Jesus Christ. I could easily make a “spiritual communion” while watching the Daily Mass on EWTN. If I do, that means I did not receive Jesus substantially as in the Eucharist. That is my real food and not just spiritually.
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I can actually see the verse from John 4 being relevant. God wants all to be saved. And Jesus says that “Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day” (John 6:54, NRSV). So, it is God’s Will that we partake of the Eucharist.
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When I go to Mass (depending on which church I attend on a particular day) there are literally at least a couple thousand people sitting in church. I can’t imagine that one will actually take a piece of bread and then another piece and another, and then brake it into many pieces to pass around to a few thousand people.
BUT, the Priest does break the host which is actully Jesus Christ by that time. He doesn’t do it while saying “…He broke it, gave it to His disciples and said…” Instead he breaks it while the people are singing or saying the “Agnus Dei” which means “Lamb of God.” He breaks it over the Paten so as to catch any crumbs as a result of the break. He then ministers to the Deacon if one is serving. If another priest is also serving, he too now takes a piece or pieces of the consecrated Host/Jesus. During this “Breaking of the Bread” the priest takes a smaller piece and drops it into the Chalice which has the Blood of Christ and prays "May this mingling of the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ bring eternal life to us who receive it." That is one of the reasons we say we receive the Body, Blood, Soul & Divinity of our Lord even if we do not receive the blood from the Chalice; the Priest also has to drink from the Chalice.
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I guess you missed my point to believers. It does not pertain directly to try to explain the Eucharist to a non-believer. As a matter of fact, if I try to use that passage from Scripture to explain the Eucharist, a non-believer (in the real presence not in Jesus) would then tell me something like, “… see, that means that it is merely symbolic or spiritual…” Do you see what I’m trying to get at here?
I did say however, that it could pertain to us as far as the Eucharist, but in an indirect way and certainly in a spiritual way. I guess you didn’t really read what I said?
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Ok. Now I understand what you are saying. I guess I just interpret that passage differently because I DO believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, but I can see where a non-believer would have a different interpretation perhaps.
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Hi Maria,
Yes, but the bread you receive is round, whole, complete, and unbroken, by human hands. Jesus said to DO this in remembrance of me.
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Hi Maria,
Yes, but the eucharist that you receive which the RCC claims to be the actual body of Christ is round, whole, complete, and unbroken, by human hands. Jesus said to DO this in remembrance of me.
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Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life
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He did. He broke the bread. That’s what the Fraction is, the breaking of the bread.
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So… your saying that John 4 has nothing do with the Eucharist? perhaps it does? maybe in an indirect way?
Yes? No? Maybe so?
Jesus said it and I believe it. And that’s good enough for me.
Living Bread = Flesh of Jesus (John 6:51)
Flesh of Jesus = Meat (John 6:55)
We’re supposed to already know that meat is doing the works of God. Jesus explained this earlier in the book so we would understand later.
Meat = “to do the will of God, and to finish His work.” (John 4:34)
Work of God = “believe on Him whom He hath sent.” (John 6:28-29)
Living Bread = NOT AS YOUR FATHERS DID EAT MANNA, AND ARE DEAD (John 6:58)
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If some protestant denominations do view the Eucharist as important and the Actual Body and Blood of Christ, then on who’s authority can those hosts be transubstantiated?
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Heavens, b. Are you assuming that when Luke or Matthew or I Coronthians says He brake the bread, that there was necessarily only one loaf, or that he went on and broke all that was there present? Why would you do that? He blessed the bread and He broke the bread. Each a singular action. As is done at the Mass. And, as has been noted, the cup contains a bit of the Body. For those of us who receive under both species, that’s something we note.
And (just curious) why did you emphasize that the Body is “round”? Suggestive, that.
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Only the one is broken at the Eucharist. The rest of them are prepared before hand. Jesus took a whole loaf (like we get at the local steakhouse) and broke it in fellowship with the meal. He just happened to use it to teach as well as nourish. Sometimes, I think we make it a little too ritualistically literal and in doing so, it loses some of its simplistic majesty and beauty.
Putting aside tradition for a moment…
Why not also do it in remembrance of him at the dinner table as Christ did? It seems to me this could be a great blessing for a meal between believers. Just a thought.
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Yes, I suspected you had no reason for beleiving that.
How about the “round” part?
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