Protestant defense of sola scriptura

[Randy_Carson]

Hey Randy, thanks. If the Church is the caretaker of Scripture and doesn’t put itself above Scripture that is good.

Hoosier (and Blue Serenity)-

I appreciate your comments, so I want to share something that I read last night that you might find comforting.“The Church is subject to the Word of God (including the message of the Bible), even while she is guardian and master (as Magisterium) of the Bible’s text and interpretation. Her authority is not an ‘enabling’ one but a ‘restraining’ one, which prevents any reigning Pope from arbitrarity inventing heretical new doctrines, by binding him to an infallible tradition (including Scripture) traceable to the ‘apostolic deposit of faith’.”“The Catholic Church claims less authority than any other Christian church in the world; that is why she is so conservative. Protestant churches feel free to to change the ‘deposit of faith’…or of morals (e.g. by allowing divorce, though Christ forbade it), or of worship.”“After all, whose voice is it that, as the spritual leader of nearly one fifth of the earth’s recalcitrant inhabitants, still dares to condemn as sin the commonplace practices of contraception, masturbation, abortion, divorce, remarriage, homosexuality, and to retain an uncompromising view of Scripture and to insist on an exclusively male and celibate clergy? The voice of the Pope. Where else do you hear such a voice? From Canterbury? Lutheranism? Presbyterianism? Methodism? Evangelicalism? All of Rome’s official teaching and reasoning is based, directly or indirectly, on the Bible.”

 

[mikeledes]

Marriage is regonized in God’s eyes by the laws of the land in which the couple lives. God gave the laws and gave the government the authority to determine what constitutes a legal marriage (Romans chapter 13; Colossians 1:16).

Where does it say in the Bible that a marriage’s validity depends on the laws of the land? So can a Christian engage in a common-law marriage?

God bless,
Michael

 

[Randy_Carson]

Marriage is an act of will by two people, not a ritual. It is the same as when you trust in Christ to come into your life and become one flesh with you, in salvation.

Marriage is regonized in God’s eyes by the laws of the land in which the couple lives. God gave the laws and gave the government the authority to determine what constitutes a legal marriage (Romans chapter 13; Colossians 1:16).
God honors those laws as well.

Honestly, the Bible does not go into grat detail but every culture that has ever existed has practiced some form of ceremony of joining a man and a woman together.

Many believe that Genesis 2:22-24 was God performing the first Wedding.

Julebenn-

I’m not sure what you mean by an act of the will; love is an act of the will, but marriage is a sacrament that makes an indelible change in the married person.

From the Catechism:

1601 "The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life, is by its nature ordered toward the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring; this covenant between baptized persons has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament."84

There’s lots more where this came from.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c3a7.htm#1640

 

[mercygate]

Hi Randy,

I’ve answered this more than once. You guys have to deal with my argument and quit telling me how to argue. Would you like to be the first one to actually deal with the argument rationally?

Was it on this thread or elsewhere that people mentioned documents of the VERY early Church: Justin Martyr, the Didache, the Shepherd of Hermas? In one early document (can’t recall it and don’t have access to my library at the moment), infant baptism is referred to as a practice “which we received from the apostles.”

These early writings document apostolic traditions. For the Apostolic Churches (Rome, the Orthodox) “apostolic” means more than just original to the 12. The bishops in communion with one another, under the guidances Holy Spirit, also constitute an authentic apostolic tradition.

 

[Blue_Serenity]

“The Church is subject to the Word of God (including the message of the Bible), even while she is guardian and master (as Magisterium) of the Bible’s text and interpretation. Her authority is not an ‘enabling’ one but a ‘restraining’ one, which prevents any reigning Pope from arbitrarity inventing heretical new doctrines, by binding him to an infallible tradition (including Scripture) traceable to the ‘apostolic deposit of faith’.”[/INDENT]“The Catholic Church claims less authority than any other Christian church in the world; that is why she is so conservative. Protestant churches feel free to to change the ‘deposit of faith’…or of morals (e.g. by allowing divorce, though Christ forbade it), or of worship.”“After all, whose voice is it that, as the spritual leader of nearly one fifth of the earth’s recalcitrant inhabitants, still dares to condemn as sin the commonplace practices of contraception, masturbation, abortion, divorce, remarriage, homosexuality, and to retain an uncompromising view of Scripture and to insist on an exclusively male and celibate clergy? The voice of the Pope. Where else do you hear such a voice? From Canterbury? Lutheranism? Presbyterianism? Methodism? Evangelicalism? All of Rome’s official teaching and reasoning is based, directly or indirectly, on the Bible.”

That is interesting. What is the source of this information?

 

[KathleenElsie]

You apparently didn’t read 2Tim. 3:16,17 when you were reading your Bible. Scripture itself, including that verse, along with common sense to correctly interpret what it is saying, proves Sola Scriptura. Debate over. It’s been fun. Chow.

DOUAY-RHEIMS 2TIMOTHY ch2 vs2

and the things which thou have “heard” of me by many witnesses, the same commend to faithful men who shall be fit to teach others also.

It does not say “heard and written down.” But says heard, as with ears, by witnesses (plural) and commend (given to those who were willing to listen), fit (willing to do something), teach (share the spoken words with those willing to listen)

This shows us Traditions that were not written down were to to taught to those willing to listen.

 

[SolaScriptura]

It certainly did get ugly! It got ugly when, instead of directly responding to my questions, a whole host of offensive comments were thrown at me. But that is a good way of evading the question, I guess,

God Bless,
Michael

You have a short memory my friend. I asked you the question and you never answered. Instead you starting asking me a bunch of questions. But I tell you what, lets pursue this on two tracks. On what track if you promise to answer all my question in reference to your proof for what the Apostle Paul orally taught the Thessalonians, I promise to answer all your question about marriage. And to show that I’m a good sport I will answer your question first and then post my question. Deal? If so, acknowledge it is and ask your first question.

 

[Michael_Francis]

Having drifted off topic and failing in charity in too many places, this thread is now closed.