protestant idols?

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What if someone burns a King James Bible - surely you would be more than disappointed, no?
I’d be more upset if they burned the Greek version, but then again, certain monks from St. Catherine’s monestary on Mt. Sinai were doing exactly that with the Codex that Tischendorf found of the LXX and NT (4th C - Codex Siniaticus, also known as Aleph) and I even forgive them!!!
 
So today I was at the book store, and a family christian store, I had noticed a large amount of Jesus paraphernalia in the form of fashion. I never really new what this was until I had a previous relationship with a fundamentalist girlfriend a couple years back.
After reading a lot of belligerent arguments online about " Catholic idol worship"
( in quotations ) ,and having them with my EX, GF.
I had noticed that most of the Christians wearing these shirts, hoodies, hats and bracelets are non-denominational or protestant in general
Going to mass on Sundays I have never seen anyone wearing such T-shirts that say
" get out of hell, free card " or "stop drop and roll , won’t save you in hell "
This post wasn’t made to start an " Idol Debate " as I really don’t care, but that being said,
if the same accusations are made towards myself as a Catholic, wouldn’t that be the
pot calling the kettle black if the protestant christian is the same person wearing the Jesus fashionable clothes. Seems like a successful way to make money if one wants to start a fashion business though. ( not what I would do )

Just throwing that out there, to everyone. … 👍
I actually have to T-shirt that says (On the Front) ‘I’m Young, I’m British but Guess What?’ (On the Back) ‘I’m Catholic’ (with an outline of St Peters Basilica faded on the back). It does attract a few odd looks.
 
I actually have to T-shirt that says (On the Front) ‘I’m Young, I’m British but Guess What?’ (On the Back) ‘I’m Catholic’ (with an outline of St Peters Basilica faded on the back). It does attract a few odd looks.
Do you venerate this T-shirt?
 
Of course not, it is an outside witness to my faith, also quite ironic since most peoples opinion is that to be young is to be secular in this country.
certainly doesn’t sound like idolatry to me…:bible1:
 
This is a true story.

When I first got married there was an older couple who lived acrossed from me. He was having these horrible dreams. like a darkness or something filling the room at night. It got so bad that he actually could not sleep at night.

The wife came over and asked me what they could do. I was like:shrug: So I asked my Dad, he said to tell them to put a Cruficix in front of the bed.

You can believe me or not, but the evil force never came back.

If you have a picture of God, a statue of him or the Blessed Mother etc. they are not false idols. They are true statues or pictures in the image of who they are.

God revealed himself AS MAN! The Blessed Mother as Woman, the prophets as real human men. They are not false images they are true images copied from what they truly looked like.

This is a true fact. study’s have been done. IF a thief is comming to rob 5 houses or a block. And they see a Statue of Christ, the Blessed Mother or a Saint they will bypass that house and rob another first. This is not to say they will not enter the house, but given a choice it will be the last they would pick.

Blessed Articles have powers. Not the kind you think. But when you have rosary’s blessed they become Holy. Because they are blessed with Holy Water. Anything HOLY is OF GOD!

When my daughter got married many non-Catholic’s were at her reception. Behind the table was the Cruficix. and 2 Statues. One kid cussed, Looked up and said to the Statue it was of St Peter on the other side of the Hall, he said looked up and said, Hey I am sorry Man, forgive me. ANd he didn’t cuss the rest of the night, NOT in fron of St Peter:D

He knew as we all know it is only a Statue, but he also although not Catholic, knew what it was a reminder and who it was a reminder of.

Thats what they are reminders of what was, what is, and what will continue to be. Alive souls that live forever and continue to watch over and protect us.
 
How about the little boy who wanted a bike for Christmas. He went to the Nativity scene and took baby Jesus out of the Manger.

He left a note, when I get my bike, you will get back your Son!:rotfl:
 
This is a true story.

When I first got married there was an older couple who lived acrossed from me. He was having these horrible dreams. like a darkness or something filling the room at night. It got so bad that he actually could not sleep at night.

The wife came over and asked me what they could do. I was like:shrug: So I asked my Dad, he said to tell them to put a Cruficix in front of the bed.

You can believe me or not, but the evil force never came back.

If you have a picture of God, a statue of him or the Blessed Mother etc. they are not false idols. They are true statues or pictures in the image of who they are.

God revealed himself AS MAN! The Blessed Mother as Woman, the prophets as real human men. They are not false images they are true images copied from what they truly looked like.

This is a true fact. study’s have been done. IF a thief is comming to rob 5 houses or a block. And they see a Statue of Christ, the Blessed Mother or a Saint they will bypass that house and rob another first. This is not to say they will not enter the house, but given a choice it will be the last they would pick.

Blessed Articles have powers. Not the kind you think. But when you have rosary’s blessed they become Holy. Because they are blessed with Holy Water. Anything HOLY is OF GOD!

When my daughter got married many non-Catholic’s were at her reception. Behind the table was the Cruficix. and 2 Statues. One kid cussed, Looked up and said to the Statue it was of St Peter on the other side of the Hall, he said looked up and said, Hey I am sorry Man, forgive me. ANd he didn’t cuss the rest of the night, NOT in fron of St Peter:D

He knew as we all know it is only a Statue, but he also although not Catholic, knew what it was a reminder and who it was a reminder of.

Thats what they are reminders of what was, what is, and what will continue to be. Alive souls that live forever and continue to watch over and protect us.
many protestants are not iconoclastic, they dont disagree that the picture/ statue represents the human aspect of the divine subject.

I have, however, also seen kissing of the statue of Mary’s feet, the wooden cross as well as other religious items. This kind of veneration would be described by many protestants as going beyond the bound of the commandment. Prayer to saints is equally confusing, whilst most Protestants would admire Luther, Calvin, Spurgeon etc (and even make statues in Geneva) they wouldnt ask them for help like many Catholics ask st. Jude…
 
I think that is wonderfull Anna.

Honestly I don’t get out much since I can’t drive since the stroke. What I see in the diocese of northwest Texas is stagnation and loss of members. The mission in the small town I live in is closed, as are most of the small town missions. The tiny mission I was confirmed in is closed, years ago.

Most growth is in Christ Church a rapidly growing schismatic denomination. The parish I was in was once large and healthy, now it has shrunk dramatically. The bishop refuses to allow a new rector, and now they only have a “priest in charge”.

I think a lot of the problem is no-one wants to come here and serve. This has got to be the uglyist place on earth.😦

I never meant to attack your chruch. as you probably can tell it was dear to me at one time, it is beautifull with stained glass, statues, and all.

I just hope it can survive another generation, and that looks doubtfull.
andrewstx,
Very sad to hear what is happening there. And also to hear about your stroke. I pray you will make a full recovery.

I don’t know what the future holds for the Anglican Communion. Time will tell. 🤷

Peace,
Anna
 
many protestants are not iconoclastic, they dont disagree that the picture/ statue represents the human aspect of the divine subject.

I have, however, also seen kissing of the statue of Mary’s feet, the wooden cross as well as other religious items. This kind of veneration would be described by many protestants as going beyond the bound of the commandment. Prayer to saints is equally confusing, whilst most Protestants would admire Luther, Calvin, Spurgeon etc (and even make statues in Geneva) they wouldnt ask them for help like many Catholics ask st. Jude…
Atheists take this same approach christosdavid. In other words, “Why become a Christian, just look at the behavior of Christians?!” The evangelical’s response is, “Don’t look at me, look to Jesus!”

So if you want to know what the Church teaches, read the Bible. If you still have questions, read the Catechism.

Here is a nice article on the issue of praying to saints, with a supporting article on intercessory prayer located here, and an article on relics located here.
 
You know, if personal reading and interpretation of sola scriptura is the purest form, why even have potlucks? …I mean…Protestant churches?

btw: I think the jumbotrons are their idols. lol.

I’m getting snappy, I need to go say a few Hail Marys and Saint Michaels, forgive me.🙂

:angel1:
 
When I went to a Calvary Chapel Melbourne, Fl. they all wore rubber bands on their wrist that said " live dangerously" follow Christ, It just seemed very cheesy to me, but at the same time they would call the Catholic church idol worshipers; and the people actually believed this like it was coming from the mouth of God. I honestly can’t wait to see most
non denominational church abandon the bible all together and just listen to the resident pastor.
 
many protestants are not iconoclastic, they dont disagree that the picture/ statue represents the human aspect of the divine subject.

I have, however, also seen kissing of the statue of Mary’s feet, the wooden cross as well as other religious items. This kind of veneration would be described by many protestants as going beyond the bound of the commandment. Prayer to saints is equally confusing, whilst most Protestants would admire Luther, Calvin, Spurgeon etc (and even make statues in Geneva) they wouldnt ask them for help like many Catholics ask st. Jude…
This may or may not help you, but I think it may. See when someone is faithful to God, God in turn is faithful to them.

The best idea I can give you is in Job. Go to that scripture and read it, In the begining you will see that his kids we bad, on the wrong track. But it was Jobs prayers that saved them.

Then go to the last book, read where God said to Job’s friends to have Job pray for them, he will listen to Job’s prayers.

See the prayers of the righeous work. That is why we ask to to also pray for us.

Funny you would mention St. Jude, He is my favorite after the Blessed Mother.

See many people who are at the end of hope, who don’t feel they can even go to God and ask for his help, can go to St Jude because they know St. Jude is for the hopeless.

It is not that they put ST, Jude above God, actually the opposite is true, they don’t feel worthy to even go to God to ask him for help. Its like going to court alone or getting a great attorney. This is what they see in St. Jude. They can relate to him, because he knows what it feels like to be hopeless.

That is why with my Kids I always go to the Blessed Mother, she saw her Son killed and suffer with her own eyes. She suffered so much, and when I need help with my kids I ask her to go to her Son, with me and pray for me.

See prayers work. Even Jesus told Peter, Peter I prayed for you the devil wants you. It is Jesus who taught us to not only pray, but to pray for one another.

So we ask the Saints to pray for us, because Prayer works. And the more prayers you get, the easier you life becomes.

Although you still are going to suffer, it makes it much easier to bear, knowing Jesus, the Blessed Mother, all the Angels and Saints are there also, helping you.
 
many protestants are not iconoclastic, they dont disagree that the picture/ statue represents the human aspect of the divine subject.

I have, however, also seen kissing of the statue of Mary’s feet, the wooden cross as well as other religious items. This kind of veneration would be described by many protestants as going beyond the bound of the commandment. Prayer to saints is equally confusing, whilst most Protestants would admire Luther, Calvin, Spurgeon etc (and even make statues in Geneva) they wouldnt ask them for help like many Catholics ask st. Jude…
Also with the kissing of a picture, Do you ever see a older wormen, I say that because Grandma’s do this alot.

How they have a picture of their dead husband, sometimes Son. or even living child, grand son and after they show it to you kiss the picture. I am sure everyone has seen this sometimes in their lives.

Its an expression of love. Thats all it is.

Why then would no one accuse Grandma as being crazy or say she thinks that picture is her dead husband, or grandson. etc. because I saw her kissing it.

Do you see what I am saying, I have a pretty large statue on my wall of Jesus. Many times I go past it, and kiss his feet, saying Jesus I adore you, please help me to be what you know I can be.

Trust me, I know it is just that, A statue of Jesus, but its what it means, and represents that God knows. He understands my heart and where it is.
 
I have a couple of paintings by Thomas Kinkade, a very vocal evangelical artist.
His work is beautiful. Have seen interviews with him, he does want his artwork to draw oneself closer to God and the callers that called him on the show reported spiritual experiences as they looked on his art work and meditated on the particular theme of the painting. There really is not any difference between his art work and Catholics having pictures and statues and icons and using those things to contemplate to draw closer to God.
It generally is a shame that Catholics are usually accused of idol worship while protestants actually do the same things with their art work.
The other comments about t-shirts with commercialized cheesy religious saying such as
wwjd etc does point to a commercialized Christianity that is rather sacrereligous and borders
on the offensive. There is a lack of a sense of the sacred and reduces our Christian faith
to saying on a t -shirt that is hip or cool to wear.
 
Well-informed Catholics certainly don’t worship idols. However, some Catholics may go overboard when they treat sacramentals and such as good luck charms.
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 An example. One of my good friends wants to sell her home. She has buried a statue of St. Joseph upside down in the backyard because she has been told that will insure its sale. What about such traditions as that? Or what about praying to St. Anthony of Padua when you lose something? When you find it, it's a miracle due to his intervention. When you don't. well...

 Don't many Catholics cross the line into the dangerous and murky area of superstition in such situations? In my mind this borders on paganism - such as astrology. Evangelical Protestants seem to have similar beliefs and practices, too.  

 Most Catholics I know, and certainly mainline Protestants, tends to shy away from such traditions that can be seductive but seem far removed from intelligent Christianity.
 
Well-informed Catholics certainly don’t worship idols. However, some Catholics may go overboard when they treat sacramentals and such as good luck charms.
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 An example. One of my good friends wants to sell her home. She has buried a statue of St. Joseph upside down in the backyard because she has been told that will insure its sale. What about such traditions as that?
I’ve never heard of that practice. I would deem the notion to border on superstition, though.
Or what about praying to St. Anthony of Padua when you lose something? When you find it, it’s a miracle due to his intervention. When you don’t. well…
If a friend were present physically with you in the room and by their intervention they helped you to find a lost object, would you be against thanking them secondarily (and God primarily)?
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 Don't many Catholics cross the line into the dangerous and murky area of superstition in such situations? In my mind this borders on paganism - such as astrology. Evangelical Protestants seem to have similar beliefs and practices, too.
In some cases, possibly. In others, no. What counts is where your heart is.
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 Most Catholics I know, and certainly mainline Protestants, tends to shy away from such traditions that can be seductive but seem far removed from intelligent Christianity.
Asking the saints for help and appreciating their aid: this isn’t superstitious–otherwise Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Assyrian Church of the East adherents would in large numbers be in a perpetual state of sin by supposedly mixing Christianity with paganism.

Other practices, of course, can be problematic, or become problematic in certain cases.
 
Well-informed Catholics certainly don’t worship idols. However, some Catholics may go overboard when they treat sacramentals and such as good luck charms.
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 An example. One of my good friends wants to sell her home. She has buried a statue of St. Joseph upside down in the backyard because she has been told that will insure its sale. What about such traditions as that? Or what about praying to St. Anthony of Padua when you lose something? When you find it, it's a miracle due to his intervention. When you don't. well...

 Don't many Catholics cross the line into the dangerous and murky area of superstition in such situations? In my mind this borders on paganism - such as astrology. Evangelical Protestants seem to have similar beliefs and practices, too.  

 Most Catholics I know, and certainly mainline Protestants, tends to shy away from such traditions that can be seductive but seem far removed from intelligent Christianity.
Unfortunately I think this happens more often than it should. There is nothing wrong with relics as long as the focus (and intention) is on worshiping God and glorifying His name; when the intentions are misplaced (i.e., what can God do for me?) the practice can fall into superstition. In an ideal world, all Catholics would adhere to the Catechism (well, bible first, then catechism).

From the Catechism:
“Superstition is the deviation of religious feeling and of the practices this feeling imposes. It can even affect the worship we offer the true God, e.g., when one attributes an importance in some way magical to certain practices otherwise lawful or necessary. To attribute the efficacy of prayers or of sacramental signs to their mere external performance, apart from the interior dispositions that they demand, is to fall into superstition” (CCC 2111).

See also: Should we bury a statue of St Joseph to obtain a home?
 
Unfortunately I think this happens more often than it should. There is nothing wrong with relics as long as the focus (and intention) is on worshiping God and glorifying His name; when the intentions are misplaced (i.e., what can God do for me?) the practice can fall into superstition. In an ideal world, all Catholics would adhere to the Catechism (well, bible first, then catechism).

From the Catechism:
“Superstition is the deviation of religious feeling and of the practices this feeling imposes. It can even affect the worship we offer the true God, e.g., when one attributes an importance in some way magical to certain practices otherwise lawful or necessary. To attribute the efficacy of prayers or of sacramental signs to their mere external performance, apart from the interior dispositions that they demand, is to fall into superstition” (CCC 2111).

I agree with the catechism on relics. Yet to the uniformed Catholic and a vast majority outside of Catholic faith view these as superstitious, morbid, magical, idol worship. Seeing Pope Benedict XVI with Pope John Paul II’s blood is a wonderful expression of the Holy Spirit’s infusion into John Paul II’s mortal being and his immortal soul while alive. That’s how I perceived it. How many had a pagan perspective viewing on TV or even in Vatican Square? Does it matter?
 
great conversation
n, but does anyone really know who or where the money goes for the
christian fashion items, found at your local books a million, or family christian book store. I cant’ help but to think it just ends up on wall street,or an Asian sweat shop.
Not in someone’s ministry? I find it all very conflicting to sola scripture Christianity,
or any form of Christianity for that matter
 
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