There is a big difference here, however.
If the protestant interpretation is right, what were Christians doing for the previous 1500 years?
I didn’t want this to be left unanswered.
Since we cannot make scripture contradict scripture (or the Church’s teachings), the converse of “believers” here is those who do not believe in Christ or His Church, but do believe in God. Non-theists are “without excuse”. Theists are without excuse if they don’t believe what God has revealed to them, or they don’t obey and persevere to the end.
This refers only to those who serve God (“servants”) and have persevered to the end, according to what God has revealed to them. And, of course, those who have received their “beatings” while still on Earth, before the Master returns for them, will not have to go to Purgatory to receive their beatings there. And when God’s servants have paid the debt that our Lord Jesus determines for them, they will be have been purified and ready to enter into the Presence of God. :extrahappy:
The Protestant interpretation is a return to the truth that was reveal to Christians 2000 years ago.
You provided me scripture that you believe agrees with your position. Now, as I’ve pointed out to you many times… Calvinists do not believe like you… they use the same scripture as you… Why are you right and they are wrong?
ALL resist the temptation to counter his OSAS argument and please consider instead to focus on why he is right and everyone else is wrong. He uses Scripture just like our friends who believe you must speak in tongues to be saved. Why should we believe his view of Scripture when literally millions of people do not. What evidence does he have?
Ginger, please explain to me why Protestant can’t even agree on the “basic” principles of salvation? Example:
That’s interesting, considering that your Protestant sister just assured us that we have no free will - according to the Word of God. I guess that’s not a “basic fundamental doctrine” of Christianity.
People have freewill. If they don’t want to follow the Word of God, they are free to start their own false religion.
That’s interesting, considering that the Apostles strongly warned us about the “doctrines of demons” that would come in “the latter times”. They should have warned us that the Gates of Hell would prevail over the Church that Christ founded on Peter the Rock almost as soon as they were dead! And so we would need to go start a new Church of Christ. That would have been helpful.
You know Chester you just hit on something. Catholic’s can be wrong and also can be corrected by the teaching’s the CC. ITs the CHurch who shows us where we either do not understand or need to see something more clearly.
I’ve often asked Protestants who is your Paul? What I mean, its clear that Paul needed to provide correction to the various churches… if that’s not the case, we would not have his epistles. But, non-denominational Churches who only have an elder board only rely on their own faculties. So, who’s there Paul? Who corrects them?
Perfect example. Thank-you ginger. THe CC also agrees with You. BUt you other protestant Brother disagrees with you. Who is right. Who corrects you. How is truth taught?
[SIGN]People have freewill[/SIGN]. If they don’t want to follow the Word of God, they are free to start their own false religion. But you insist on lumping every heretic cult under the umbrella of “Protestanism”.
Let’s look at the first examples brought up by Des:I once heard a protestant say that premarital sex being wrong wasn’t spelled out in the Bible either.
1 Corinthians 7:2 But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.
Ephesians 5:3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality,
Besides, protestants can’t even decide whether divorce is ok or not panevino. So I wouldn’t be worried about their replies if any to you.
Malachi 2:16 “I hate divorce,” says the Lord God of Israel, “and I hate a man’s covering himself with violence as well as with his garment,” says the Lord Almighty.
So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith.
Matthew 5:32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.
There are a couple better verse, but I couldn’t find them.
The point is these doctrines are spelled out plain and clear in the Scriptures. Anyone who rejects them in favor of his own doctrines has no right to call himself a “Christian” and the Catholic church has no right to lump them together with non-catholic Christians.
Ginger
You and I are exactly on the same level of thought. I just finished writing that!
If it did not survive why is it still here. And if it was not founded on Peter why did Jesus say it was. And why was it not crushed by any other opponent. It is the Church Peter started and is still here. Just like Jesus promised. So if the protestant taught the truth why have they not over powered the CC. And why is there only 1 CC and Catholic truth and thousands of protestant Church’s. And not one of them with the same teaching?
I did provide JB with scripture Teak, lets see what he has to say!