Protestant level in Heaven

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ncjohn said:
Yup, and the “not worthy guy” is all of us.

I found a great pair of bolt cutters that should cut that chain if someone can come up with a smoke bomb for the distraction…
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Considering the security cameras are the All Seeing Eyes of God…maybe it isn’t such a good idea…after all…you’re still on the OUTside of the gate! 😃
 
Sorry its hard for me to respond now that all my post got deleted
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Sorry its hard for me to respond now that all my post got deleted
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Your original quote:
I was just wondering what Degree of Glory Protestants think they
are going to get in Heaven. Lets see,they don’t have to Pray,don’t
have to do Good Works, and don’t even have to go to church on Sunday.So do Protestants think that they will get the same Glory that say a Mother Theresa, a Martyr,or a Great Saint will Get?
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Convert_in_99 said:
Considering the security cameras are the All Seeing Eyes of God…maybe it isn’t such a good idea…after all…you’re still on the OUTside of the gate! 😃
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But, maybe I can be of assistance… My specialty is internet cameras and streaming video… but as for the All Seeing Eyes of God… I guess we are all on our own there.
 
jack_hawkins said:
that is just so wrong
grace is by definition unmerited
if we got our just deserts we would all be going to hell - it is only by God’s mercy that we may enter heaven
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“Grace”, the Greek word “charis”, does not by definition mean unmerited. What it means is “favor” or “attractiveness.” There’s two kinds of grace. Actual grace and sanctifying grace. Actual grace is the help God provides in inspiring us to do good. Sanctifying grace is that which makes us “partakers in the divine nature.”

I agree with you that every gift from God is ultimately unmerited or gratuitious since in the first place God didn’t even need to create us. There’s some disagreement among historic Catholic theologians about in what sense we do and do not merit eternal life, but we merit it at least in the sense of God’s fulfilling his promise to reward us (language that is present in scripture). Here’s an article on merit:

newadvent.org/cathen/10202b.htm

It mentions the teaching of the Council of Trent.
 
Merit and grace are not equivalent…

We can not achieve salvation except through Grace. It is a ‘gift’ by definition. The real difference would seem to be tied up with the term ‘deserve’. To illustrate:

If I robbed a family blind of $10,000 and was caught. Now, this family taking my circumstances into account decide to not press charges - indeed they have said that I can keep the money, as I must need it greatly. I am let go, even though I have not paid the penalty for my crime - this is like ‘grace’

Now, if after that same instant I felt I was indebt to this family, I went out and cleaned their cars and mowed the grass, etc… The family however, feels that they must repay me for the service rendered - this is ‘merit’.

Note that without grace, I could never have received the ‘merit’ - they are tied together. Grace allowed me to ‘be ahead’ at a time when I clearly was not - but the family, being so awesome in their ability to aid, allowed me to be.
 
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