Protestant opinion of Pope Benedict

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ah, no. He never apologized and never backed down. He simply re-iterated the source of the comments. I thought it was a brilliant move. Re-state the source. Re-state the comment. Don’t apologize./QUOTE

Good for you, I wish more would put AgnosTheist is his place, I am getting so tired of him and all his garbage.👍
 
[/QUOTEGood for you, I wish more would put AgnosTheist is his place, I am getting so tired of him and all his garbage.👍
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Just put AgnosTheist on ignore. I did a few months ago and the forums have been much more pleasant for me ever since.
 
Watching him fly down the steps of the tarmac at 81 years was impressive. He was outpacing Bush who almost had to run to keep up.
Ditto! I noticed that too. Gerald Ford would have landed on his face. (I probably would have too!)
 
{quote]Good for you, I wish more would put AgnosTheist is his place, I am getting so tired of him and all his garbage.👍
Just put AgnosTheist on ignore. I did a few months ago and the forums have been much more pleasant for me ever since.
Thank you for your suggestion.
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Point here is that Benedict is a brilliant philosopher and teacher, while Agnos is not. Therefore to interpret what Benedict said would be difficult because Agnos doesn’t understand him. The man is a genius. Agnos is not.
 
I just finished watching the whole Mass from the crypt in Washington. He was phenomanol. He addressed the scandal to the bishops and his speech was great. A good and humble man that Benedict. I am so proud to be a Roman Catholic. Thank you Jesus.
I especially liked the part of the children singing happy birthday in German.👍
 
how about the muslim scandal? yeah i know for his followers, it aint the pope’s fault. but for me there are a gazillion ways of proving his point without giving a quote that demonizes muslims. if indeed he had no intention insulting anybody.
Have you bothered to read the speech? Do you think that the speech as a whole demonized Muslims? I think the point of using the quote was precisely that if judgments such as the one he quoted are not true, Muslims need to show this to be the case by articulating the place of reason in their faith. The fact that many Muslims responded with violence did not discredit his point. If I say, “You can’t take criticism,” and you respond by losing your temper, how exactly did you disprove what I said?

I agree that the Pope does not do well as a diplomat. But I’m not sure it’s his job to be a diplomat. I am not going to claim that he handled the Regensburg speech perfectly, but by and large I count that speech in his favor, not against him.

Edwin
 
It was all taken out of context with these Muslims. They look for excuses to kill Christianity. Come on people, how come you don’t know this???

Benedict is a philosopher, a brilliant man. And I’m glad he said what he said, at least it wasn’t sugar coated…
 
its not wrong from the theological point of view. but from the public relations point of view, its not right.
He’s not in the business of public relations, at least that’s not his chief concerns.

Christianity is not a faith of popularity by polls (will the public accept or reject this doctrine?). If it ever becomes like that, I shudder to think of the consequences.
 
I just finished watching the whole Mass from the crypt in Washington. He was phenomanol. He addressed the scandal to the bishops and his speech was great. A good and humble man that Benedict. I am so proud to be a Roman Catholic. Thank you Jesus.
I especially liked the part of the children singing happy birthday in German.👍
Does anyone have a link to the speech? Where he addressed the scandal? A transcript perhaps?
 
Escuse me have you even read the prayer, there is nothing insulting about it.

Here is the prayer just in case you want to actually read what it says.

Oremus et pro Iudaeis. Ut Deus et Dominus noster illuminet corda
eorum, ut agnoscant Iesum Christum salvatorem omnium hominum.
Oremus. Flectamus genua. Levate.

[Translation:*** Let us pray also for the Jews. May our God and Lord illuminate their hearts, so that they may acknowledge Jesus Christ, savior of all men*
. Let us pray. Let us kneel. Arise.

Omnipotens sempiterne Deus, qui vis ut omnes homines salvi fiant et ad agnitionem veritatis veniant, concede propitius, ut plenitudine gentium in Ecclesiam Tuam intrante omnis Israel salvus fiat. Per Christum Dominum nostrum. Amen.

[Translation: Almighty and everlasting God, who desires that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of truth, mercifully grant that, **as the fullness of the Gentiles enters into your Church, all Israel may be saved. Through Christ Our
Lord. Amen.]

look, i am not trying to take anyone’s side (least of all some one who everyone seems to like to mirror by insulting him the way you all feel insulted by him), but a jewish person would be offended by this prayer because of the parts i highlighted. Christians can’t see why because we think we are right and have the truth and “what is insulting about telling the truth?”

it’s the whole thing with “The Passion”. gibson included a line in the movie directly from the gospel. “let His blood be on us and on our children!” the pharisees said this to pilate as he washed his hands of Jesus’ blood. the ADL was up in arms because this line was included in the movie. “but it is right there in the bible!” came the argument from Christians. but the jews saw it differently. that line has led to so much persecution of the jews throughout history that to include it in a blockbuster movie caused a sense of fear and insult to arise in them.

i saw the version of the movie with the line still subtitled. the version that was released in theaters still had the line spoken in hebrew (or was it aramaic?) but it was no longer subtitled because even gibson realized that to some, the line felt insulting and dangerous.

this prayer would offend a jewish person. it is basically saying, “you aren’t going to heaven so i will pray that you will realize the error of your ways and accept Jesus as the messiah.” we think that sounds just fine, but it is insulting, not only to jews but to anyone who it could be applied.

to include some thing like that into a prayer seems passive-aggressive to me.

i do like benedict though.
 
look, i am not trying to take anyone’s side (least of all some one who everyone seems to like to mirror by insulting him the way you all feel insulted by him), but a jewish person would be offended by this prayer because of the parts i highlighted. Christians can’t see why because we think we are right and have the truth and “what is insulting about telling the truth?”

it’s the whole thing with “The Passion”. gibson included a line in the movie directly from the gospel. “let His blood be on us and on our children!” the pharisees said this to pilate as he washed his hands of Jesus’ blood. the ADL was up in arms because this line was included in the movie. “but it is right there in the bible!” came the argument from Christians. but the jews saw it differently. that line has led to so much persecution of the jews throughout history that to include it in a blockbuster movie caused a sense of fear and insult to arise in them.

i saw the version of the movie with the line still subtitled. the version that was released in theaters still had the line spoken in hebrew (or was it aramaic?) but it was no longer subtitled because even gibson realized that to some, the line felt insulting and dangerous.

this prayer would offend a jewish person. it is basically saying, “you aren’t going to heaven so i will pray that you will realize the error of your ways and accept Jesus as the messiah.” we think that sounds just fine, but it is insulting, not only to jews but to anyone who it could be applied.

to include some thing like that into a prayer seems passive-aggressive to me.

i do like benedict though.
So if I understand you correctly we should not tell anyone the truth that Jesus is Lord and Saviour of all because they may be insulted or offended.:eek: That is the the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.:confused: It is the responsibility of every Christian especially the leader of the Catholic Church to speak the truth and admonish all sinners of their sin. However back to the prayer, nothing in it is insulting it is nothing but a prayer to God the all his children accept and turn to Our Lord Jesus…🙂
 
He’s not in the business of public relations, at least that’s not his chief concerns.

Christianity is not a faith of popularity by polls (will the public accept or reject this doctrine?). If it ever becomes like that, I shudder to think of the consequences.
One consequence would be despair…mine.

CDL
 
Does anyone have a link to the speech? Where he addressed the scandal? A transcript perhaps?
I forget the name of the church in Washington where he said it. But the Catholic Register newspaper should have an exerpt when it comes out. Today there were 50,000 people celebrating Mass and 50,000 more who couldn’t get tickets. 🙂
 
Maybe he is, but so far all it did was get him the crown. He has yet to show an ingenuity that would benefit mankind. So for me he is just one of those ‘leaders’. Nothing special. 🤷
Because no matter what Benedict does, for people like you it will never be enough. Leave the man alone, he is the Vicar of Christ. A good man. A holy man. I’d worry more about your own soul.
 
He’s not in the business of public relations, at least that’s not his chief concerns.

Christianity is not a faith of popularity by polls (will the public accept or reject this doctrine?). If it ever becomes like that, I shudder to think of the consequences.
This Pope was:

 
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