Protestant Patrick?

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Saint Patrick is indeed Catholic.

To say St. Patrick is protestant is about as credible as to say Catholics worship statues. This just protestant nonsense and appears to be a feeble attempt to rationalize their separation from the Catholic Church.
 
I believe it is an attempt to maintain some semblance of the past for which they do not have given their historical break from that line. In Ireland, Scotland, Wales, etc. the Anglicans, the Dissenters (Presbyterians), etc. try to cling to a past that they are instinctively drawn to, but have no access to as a result of their revolt.

So, they make up a past, much as we see with the Protestants today who try and claim that they adhere to the “True Church” because there was always a secretive little body that went “underground” to escape the Catholic Church and only today can they practice in the open. In each case it is really quite sad and even a bit pathetic. No sense of history… sad indeed.
 
Fr Ambrose:
It is anachronistic to keep hitting on the words “Roman Catholic” unless you mean by the phrase that part of the Church which came under the jurisdiction of of the Church of Rome. But to use it in its modern meaning is not applicable to the 5th century Church.
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I think everyone knows I am loyal to the Papacy…
That said, from a sheer historical perspective, Father Ambrose is correct. Prior to 1054, the whole Church was truly Catholic. There was no “Roman” or “Eastern” distinction.
 
(Joshua):
As someone has already suggested, how could Patrick have been a protestant, when the great revolt hadn’t happened.
My mother used to tell me that protestants claimed he was a protestant, but when Catholic’s claimed him as one of their own they soon gave him up.
Anyway, been born and reared in this bigotted society, green over here is usually the mark of being Catholic & nationalist,although some nationalists don’t go to Mass.
For some wearing green is an act of defiance, yes the British burned down our Churches, burned our Bibles, and murdered our Priests.
They sent that tyrant, Oliver Cromwell over here to do it, but the people celebrated Mass regardless.
The priests were driven underground, and that is why we have so many Mass rocks all over Ireland, tables of stone quickly set-up for Mass.
It has been said that Oliver Cromwell, when reporting back to the Crown as to why the Irish wern’t defeated yet, he said, " I would have defeated them, if I could take that Rosary from their hands".
For some over here, wearing green is nothing more than a political statement.
The Irish Tricolour actually symbolizes peace between the orange and green.
I’m amazed how many countries celebrate St,Patricks day, and it’s nice to see.
Maybe it’s because Ireland helped to evangilize a good part of the world for such a small country, trouble is, Ireland needs re-evangilizing now, I read somewhere that Patrick was promised by God that the Irish would not lose their faith.
Anyway it’s nice to see, a sea of green on St,Paddy’s day. :tiphat:

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**I agree with Joshua. In one sense, it is wonderful to see a sea of Green on St. Patrick’s Day. On the other hand, it is a shame that much of the Nationalist movement in Ireland has become divorced from its Catholic roots. (Apparently, of late certain of its members are more interested in robbing banks than going to Mass.) **
There are a lot of people in the U.S. who have Irish heritage but are Protestant by fiat. Many in my family are so because when they arrived in the Patomac Valley around 1750 or so, there were no proper Catholic churches, no priests to offer Mass or the Sacraments, and many of the people around them were Scots or Scots-Irish and were Presbyterian. They, too, became Presbyterians because that was the only church nearby to be had. Many people in the South also can claim heritage in Ireland, but they had the same sort of problem. If you didn’t settle in a large city (like Charleston or Savannah), there weren’t priests to be had. A lot of these people lost their Catholicism overnight. Their decendents often don’t even realize, of course, that they once had Catholic anscestors unless they begin a serious geneology.
My wife’s family is interesting to observe in this regard. On her mother’s side, they are Rileys. This is a corruption of their original family name, O’Reilly. (It was changed so that others would not immediately perceive that they were Irish.) They are so proud of what ther perceive as their Irish heritage! They don’t ever discuss the fact, though, that their long-ago anscestors in Ireland were Catholics…a few of them persist in not believing this, even though it can be categorically proven.
There needs to be a serious missionary effort, I believe, to the “Lost Irish” of America.
 
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Cherub:
I can completely relate to this. My ancestors are highland Scots. Very Calvinist folk. I keep looking for some Catholics in my family tree, but so far I’ve turned nothing up. 😃 There’s a first time for everything, I suppose.
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Actually Cherub, it is interesting that you should point out that they were Highland Scots…
The Highland Scots held out longer than the rest of Scotland in their refusal to accept the Protestant heresy. Indeed, Rob Roy’s rebellion was composed largely of Catholics in the Highlands. Highland Scotland still has the largest concentration of Catholics in Scotland, as I understand.
 
Very true - about the Highlanders. I am a Shaw on my father’s side. Originally from Scotland, my part of the family was “banished” to Ireland. There are Catholic Shaws and Protestant Shaws. My father’s great-grandparents were a “mixed” marriage of distant Shaw cousins!

Of course, my mother’s family is Italian and it was from them I inherited my Catholic faith. Today I am Cradle Catholic - AND a Catholic by choice!

Probably makes sense to any other Irish/Italians out there…loolol.
 
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dcmac:
Dia dhuit mo deartháir (God be with you my brother) azcelt,

You rehash much dribble. Most of which is fraught with error and found on a number of “Celtic Orthodox” and other such websites. ]

Actually there are “Celtic Catholic” Churches and websites with a strange view of history 😃

But in the Celtic Catholic Church, we have been taught through the generations that there have been remnants of the old Church of our ancestors…

The Celtic Catholic Church is the Christian Church as it was founded among the Celtic peoples in England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and Brittany almost two thousand years ago.

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LSK:
Very true - about the Highlanders. I am a Shaw on my father’s side. Originally from Scotland, my part of the family was “banished” to Ireland. There are Catholic Shaws and Protestant Shaws. My father’s great-grandparents were a “mixed” marriage of distant Shaw cousins!

Of course, my mother’s family is Italian and it was from them I inherited my Catholic faith. Today I am Cradle Catholic - AND a Catholic by choice!

Probably makes sense to any other Irish/Italians out there…loolol.
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I think it is more common nowadays to see Irish Americans who are “mixed” with Italians, Poles, Germans and others, because Catholics in America tended to inter-marry after a few generations.
My family: On my mother’s side, they are Neelys. Anyone who might know a few things about various Irish names know that the Neely name came out of the Clan O’Neill (UiNail), whose famous leader, Hugh, was High King of Ulster, known for his fierce resistance to the English under Elizabeth I. When the English began to plantation Ulster in earnest, many of my anscestors were bribed into converting to Protestantism also…See, to get around primogeniture (the law that said the eldest son inherits the family land), the English made a rule early that said that only a Protestant could inherit land in Ulster. In this way, they convinced many “middle sons” who otherwise would have no claim on their family land to convert to Protestantism so that they could then inherit family land.
The English in those days were known for such dirty business.
 
Fr Ambrose:
Actually there are “Celtic Catholic” Churches and websites with a strange view of history 😃

But in the Celtic Catholic Church, we have been taught through the generations that there have been remnants of the old Church of our ancestors…

The Celtic Catholic Church is the Christian Church as it was founded among the Celtic peoples in England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and Brittany almost two thousand years ago.

celtic-catholic-church.org/
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I think I have seen about 20 so-called “Celtic” churches, each claiming to be more the original than the others. To me, this is nothing more than evidence that the so-called “Celtic Church” is nothing more than a created neo-Protestantism born out of thin air.
 
Athair Ambróis:
"Actually there are “Celtic Catholic” Churches and websites with a strange view of history "
Fair enough and I agree. As I said in an above thread, these sort of “historical church” cults are numerous and a blight for both me as a Catholic and by brothers and sisters as Orthodox. In truth they are a complete sham and a cruel one at that for the play on the national pride of people to lead them astray into warped, heretical ocultism.
 
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