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Yes, I am quite aware that they don’t have 1 and 2 Macc in their bibles due to Luther. But if I were him, and know that Luther flung them out, I would go and get a Catholic’s bible, knowing that this bible has never been touched, been preserved throughout the centuries by the Catholic church, AND JUST READ IT.Cathdefender-
As a protestant Prot101 does not have 1 & 2 Maccabees in his bible. The Catholic Church declared them canonical in 397 and there was no problem with the books until Martin Luther took them out of his bible in the late 16th century.
Prot101 does not recognize 1& 2 Maccabees as inspired so it would be pointless to show him even though it shows the beliefs and practices of the Jewish people up to 100 years before the coming of Christ which included the practice of praying and offering sacrifice for those who had died.
Now for Prot101 objection to the Church interpreting of purgatory from 1 Cor 3:
1 Cor 3:[13] each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
[14] If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
[15] If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, **though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. **
Prot101
Where is this place where one will suffer loss, as through fire, but will be saved?
Heaven? Do you honestly believe that anyone suffers loss in heaven?
Hell? Do you honestly think anyone in hell is saved?
Hmmm… Must be somewhere else.
Matthew 12:[32] And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age **or in the age to come. **
Doesn’t this imply that there will be forgiveness in the age to come?
Does anyone need forgiveness in heaven?
Do you believe that anyone once in hell is forgiven?
Matthew 18:[32] Then his lord summoned him and said to him, `You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you besought me;
[33] and should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’
[34] And in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay all his debt.
[35] So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart."
Where can you go, that is like jail, until you have paid your debt?
Heaven? Hell?
How do you explain these scripture verses which seem to point to a place other than heaven or hell?
Is it so hard to do this? Maybe 101 would get a better understanding of this instead of so many pages on this one thread. Like Nike says, JUST DO IT.