Do you have some support for this from church documents?
We have already been over this ground, ja4, and we have agreed that the Scripture is inspired-inerrant. Since it was produced from Sacred Tradition, how could the source be deficient? The Teaching of Jesus, which is what comprises the Sacred Tradition, cannot be errant. Otherwise you would have to say that the Gospels the Apostles preached before they were written were errant!
Paul certainly used lists at times to make his points. Galatians 5:22-23 and Colossians 3:8-9.
Yes, and the Church also uses lists at times to make some points. All of Sacred Tradition cannot be reduced to a “list”, just like the Gospel Paul preached cannot.
My request for some kind of list goes to the heart of this issue. Sacred Traditions are claimed by you and others and i’m not sure exactly what all these are.
It is not possible for you to access these, ja4. They can only be seen by persons of faith.
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Secondly, knowing the origins of these Sacred Traditions is also an important issue so we can see from where they come from and why. Without this kind of info it makes your claim to Sacred Traditions quite weak since it seems you don't know specifically what they are.
Speak for yourself, ja4. It is you who does not know specifically what they are, neither shall you know, because you have denied that they exist. You are like the people that insisted the world was flat, in spite of evidence to the contrary. You have been told repeatedly that the Source of the Sacred Tradition is the Teaching of Jesus and the Apostles. You have been told that the NT was derived from these Teachings. You reject this information, so of course it seems “weak” to you.
How is that determined if they are from God or man?
You have already stated that you consider them ALL to be “speculations of men”. You make no distinction between Sacred and cultural traditions.
You don’t know either what these “many things that Jesus said and did that are not written in them” are? You and others who claim this have yet to show what Jesus said outside of the NT.
Jesus commissioned His Apostles with “all power” to teach and to make disciples. They passed this authority on to their successors. The Teachings of Jesus are held and taught the same as they were from the day He ascended.
Can you give me some examples here of Paul’s traditions?
That the disciples should submit to the authority that God placed over them, which was transferred from Apostolic authority by the Rite of Ordination.
You still have problems with false teachers coming into the church though.
It is ok, ja4. You don’t have to draw attention to yourself in this regard. We are all aware of your presence and purpose here.
We know also that all the written Scriptures speak the truth.
The written scriptures do not “speak”, ja4. People “speak”. The reason Jesus put people in charge of teaching instead of the scrolls is because they are so easily misunderstood by the ignorant.
Beyond them we don’t have such confidence especially when we compare later teachings with the Scriptures that are not supported by the Scriptures.
When you use the word “we” what you are trying to communicate is that “true Christians” (Bible only) see it this way, and that Catholics, because they see it differently, are not “true Christians”.
Is this part of the “fullness of the Truth” that catholics speak of?
The appearances of Mary are not considered part of the Deposit of Faith. They confirm and support that Deposit, just as do the writings of the Saints, and other fruit produced by the faithful.
