Protestant Scripture and Tradition given equal weight?

[Nicene]

warriorangel 7:

Where is it in the Bible that church is on Sunday? We are not suppose to “go to church” we are to “be” the church … “However, the Most High does not live in houses made by men.” Acts7:48…“The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.” Acts17:24…

“Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you?..God’s temple is sacred, and you are that temple.”…1Cor.3:16…If all this is scripture, tell me why we do not need top accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior???

The ten commandments, which you’ll be hard pressed to find Jesus tossing out.

What does accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior entail? Saying it, or Following Him and keeping all of His commandments?

You’ll also note, corinthians as one example, that they do meet. One does not exclude the other as you are presupposing. However if you wish to discuss the passages you brought up, which isn’t the topic of this thread, I’m sure people would be happy to discuss them in proper context in a thread you wish to open.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

 

[warriorangel_7]

Blessings…I am more interested in dealing with how we may walk in a closer relationship with our Lord than trying to examine why fallen man follows certain traditions of men. Theology can sometime make the simple complex.

When you hear from the Lord, it is profoundly simple, I LOVE YOU!! Scripture says " I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." 1Cor.1:19 We have been called to know the heart of God, not of man.

No amount of book knowledge or theological plaque on the wall can explain how the Lord and the Holy Spirit operates in our hearts…" The Lord does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart." 1Sa.16:7

Most “denominations” are seperated by 2% of doctrine. Let us start by building on what is right, and what is not will soon disappear. There is an old saying…“You may think you have it all together, but together we have it all.”

Faith is spelled: R.I.S.K. Fruit grows on the end of each branch, and we need to start going out on a limb and reach out to our brothers and sisters. You will be surprised how much they know that you don’t!!

If you are not accepting prophecy or the power gifts of the Holy Spirit within your congregation, then you are truly missing the mighty moves of God. He does not work out of a book, or through our intelligence, he works through our hearts!!

We are to be vessels for his power and a mouthpiece for his word.There is a fire coming from heaven that will either glorify or burn, and we must decide which side of the flames we want to be on!!

Let us stand in the gap for our Savior,set our faces like flint and be the mighty warriors he has called us to be…we are not to “go to church” we are to be the church. Stand on the wall and sound the shofar, the battle for the soul of man has begun!!

 

[Eden]

warriorangel 7:

Where is it in the Bible that church is on Sunday?

Exactly. That is the point. This is Tradition

 

[Eden]

warriorangel 7:

Blessings…I am more interested in dealing with how we may walk in a closer relationship with our Lord than trying to examine why fallen man follows certain traditions of men.

That is a great purpose, just not the purpose of this thread. That would be great if you start a thread though.

 

[warriorangel_7]

With all that God wants to give us, why are you so interested in what man has to offer? The purpose of this thread is to see what man has to say for himself, while God waits for his people to come to him for answers.

You will never be sastified with what anyone tells you, because you already have a fixed response. There are those who have Jesus’ name on their lips, but their hearts are far from him.

It is from them you will hear, and many with the same attitude will answer them…May the Lord be your cloud by day and your pillar of fire by night…always in His presence…><(("<

 

[Eden]

warriorangel 7:

With all that God wants to give us, why are you so interested in what man has to offer? The purpose of this thread is to see what man has to say for himself, while God waits for his people to come to him for answers.

Oh, I see what the problem is. You didn’t understand the purpose of this thread.

What this thread is illustrating is that Protestants frequently call our Sacred Traditions which come from Jesus and the Apostles “traditions of men”. They will also say we should not have tradition, that the Bible should be our only guide.

This thread illustrates just how many traditions/Traditions Protestants have despite their claim to have a theology that is “Bible Only”.

 

[Nicene]

warriorangel 7:

Blessings…I am more interested in dealing with how we may walk in a closer relationship with our Lord than trying to examine why fallen man follows certain traditions of men.

Which are the traiditions of men?

Theology can sometime make the simple complex.

What was Pauls opinion of sound doctrine?

When you hear from the Lord, it is profoundly simple, I LOVE YOU!! Scripture says " I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." 1Cor.1:19 We have been called to know the heart of God, not of man.

Actually Jesus said “If you love me you will follow my commands”

No amount of book knowledge or theological plaque on the wall can explain how the Lord and the Holy Spirit operates in our hearts…" The Lord does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart." 1Sa.16:7

Is the heart in the right place if it is not following the commands of the Lord and His apostles? Or does the Holy spirit contradict those?

Most “denominations” are seperated by 2% of doctrine. Let us start by building on what is right, and what is not will soon disappear. There is an old saying…“You may think you have it all together, but together we have it all.”

Actually it is much more than 2%, Fredricks seems to think it is 25%. However I am curious how these arbitrary numbers are arrived at. But more to the point Christ said he would lead the church into all truth not that He would parcel it out to differing sects and denominations.

Faith is spelled: R.I.S.K. Fruit grows on the end of each branch, and we need to start going out on a limb and reach out to our brothers and sisters. You will be surprised how much they know that you don’t!!

You assume a great deal from a message board. Can you tell me about my daily life and how I operate in the world and among my protestant friends? But again, not much surprises me, so you’ll be hard pressed to see me surprised by what others may or may not know.

If you are not accepting prophecy or the power gifts of the Holy Spirit within your congregation, then you are truly missing the mighty moves of God.

This is where sound doctrine (Timothy) comes into play. What is prophesying? (Not in the 21st century definition that is being sold wholesale, but in the first century) What does Paul teach in Corinthians about order in the congregation. What does Peter teach in 1 Peter.

He does not work out of a book, or through our intelligence, he works through our hearts!!

Definately agree here. If not then there are whole segments of the population that won’t get into heaven. God doesn’t hate the retarded, dyslexic, or otherwise incapacitated people. However He did set up people to look over the church to teach. We aren’t to ignore them (Timothy, Thess, Peter, James, Jude, Corinthians, etc etc.)

We are to be vessels for his power and a mouthpiece for his word.There is a fire coming from heaven that will either glorify or burn, and we must decide which side of the flames we want to be on!!

These are secondary gifts to Gods expectations of us. We are to care for the poor, thirsty, those in prison, in need of clothes, in need of food. Mt 25. Being mouthpieces without the other primary considerations gets you tossed out on your ear according to Jesus.

Let us stand in the gap for our Savior,set our faces like flint and be the mighty warriors he has called us to be…we are not to “go to church” we are to be the church. Stand on the wall and sound the shofar, the battle for the soul of man has begun!!

Actually that breaks the sabbath, which is not following the commands of Jesus. However both occur in church. You’ll note what Paul says about those in the congregation not only about their sobriety but how acting the opposite will turn others away.

Where in scripture does it say to abandon one and take up the other exclusively? Aren’t we supposed to be doing both? While I appreciate your energy I would rather feed a guy and talk to him about Christ to save his soul. Christ did it after all. Probably best to follow his example. The battle for the souls of men began a long time ago.

Just a guess, but are you a charismatic?

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

 

[Nicene]

You will never be sastified with what anyone tells you, because you already have a fixed response. There are those who have Jesus’ name on their lips, but their hearts are far from him.

Doesn’t this discount the mute? What does Christ say about those who go about prophesying but not doing the important things?

Does one have to be able to speak to act as Christ did and He warns of in Mt 25:31-46 and Mt 8:21-23? Or are the mute, deaf, mentally incapacitated just hosed? (Oops, almost forgot Children)

Which is the greatest gift from the Holy Spirit according to Paul?

Which are the two greatest commandments?

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

 

[JSmitty2005]

I found this on another thread. I think it was supposed to be for here:
Gene C.:

Somebody mentioned Protestant traditions not found in Scripture. Here one more.

Dedicating infants and babies instead of baptizing them.

Peace,
Gene

 

[Chipper]

warriorangel 7:

With all that God wants to give us, why are you so interested in what man has to offer?

How do you get this impression, from this thread? I would say that noone here is interested in what man has to offer. But rather we are all dealing with the TRUTH.
warriorangel 7:

The purpose of this thread is to see what man has to say for himself,

The purpose of this thread is talk about the unresolvable conflicts that the protestants generally have, in their theology.
warriorangel 7:

while God waits for his people to come to him for answers.

God has already given us most of the answers. i.e.,
from Thessolonians

“The Church is the Pillar and foundation of Truth”.
warriorangel 7:

You will never be sastified with what anyone tells you, because you already have a fixed response.

Actually, I won’t necessarily believe what anyone says to me, unless I first investigate it myself, or unless it’s the Pope or my bishop. And in particular when someone says something that goes against the Pillar and foundation of Truth, well you just sort of start loosing me. Lately I start yawning and get real tired and think, aww, here we go again.
warriorangel 7:

There are those who have Jesus’ name on their lips, but their hearts are far from him.

Agreed.
warriorangel 7:

May the Lord be your cloud by day and your pillar of fire by night…always in His presence…><(("<

Thanks, and same to you.

Regards,
Chipper