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Protestant versus Catholic. Why does it have to be like this? What does the Church of Rome want to see happen for “unity?”
 
Because for about 500 years now Protestants of various stripes have perpetrated errors into the Christian faith and until they are corrected there will be no unity because there cannot be any such unity without truth. The Catholic Church has opposed those errors since their beginnings and continues to do so.
 
Protestant101 said:
Protestant versus Catholic. Why does it have to be like this? What does the Church of Rome want to see happen for “unity?”
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the TOTAL embracing of Catholic dogmas and doctrines specifically (but certainly not limited to), belief in the real presence, belief in the validity of Mass, belief in praying through saints, belief in the primacy of the pope as the successor of St. Peter, belief in Apostolic Tradition, the belief that the sola scriptura and sola fides doctrines are against the One True Faith, [Catholics feel free to add your favorite doctrines here]
 
Jesus founded the Catholic Church. He prayed that we’d be one. In the 16th century people began protesting the Catholic Church which Our Lord founded. They sought to reform it. But in reality they stole land owned by the Catholic Church and wanted to usurp the Church’s moral authority. The consequence was heresy leading to schism. We hope and pray that our Protestant brethren come back to the fullness of the Church which Jesus Christ started.

Protestants have 2 sacraments. We hope they return to enjoy all 7 sacraments. We hope they come to know the Lord really present in the Eucharist. To visit Him during Adoration. This visible unity of the Lord’s Church would be so powerful. United we could serousily and profoundly reduce abortions hopefully to extinction. We could more powerfully teach the truth regarding things gravely immoral, such as contraception. We could more powerfully offer authentic human happiness to the world. The factions cause scandal and get in the way of delivering truth.

To build up the Kingdom of Heaven. To evangelize and spread the Gospel truth to all mankind.

We want the Protesting to end.
 
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Protestant versus Catholic. Why does it have to be like this? What does the Church of Rome want to see happen for “unity?”
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simple answer? you had some strong personalities start interpreting scripture for themselves, and although they were part of the Catholic Faith, they did not continue in their first estate, but left, or forced the Church to excommunicate them. John Calvin, Martin Luther, Menno Simons. to name a few. and the movements they started, continued to fracture ever since. Jacobus arminius saw some serious flaws within Calvinism etc. to fix the problem, they would all need to return to Rome, and accept the magesteriums teachings. not an easy thing to accomplish. and this is just the simple answer. the whole thing is rather complex. peace 🙂
 
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What does the Church of Rome want to see happen for “unity?”
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A good answer to this is to look at how the Church is handling those Anglicans who wish to come into full communion. Essentially, unity would occur when a group of Christians could accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in toto, as their “statement of faith”. At that point, they could seek to have their Orders validated and come into corporate reunion.
 
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101,
What type of answer were you expecting here at CAF? “In Essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love” ?

The love part is here, with only a few exceptions, but the notion of what is essential will vary, even amongst Catholics. For example, in a Lutheran Catholic document, sponsored by the Vatican and the LWF, we find this quote regarding Catholic Transubstamtiation and Lutheran Sacrmental Union: The ecumenical discussion has shown that these two positions must no longer be regarded as opposed in a way that leads to separation.
Yet, there are Lutherans and Catholics everywhere that view these two expressions of the real presence as incompatable, even though Lutheran and Catholic theologians think not.

The fact is that unity will come through the Holy Spirit’s guidance of our leaders. Until then, “In all things, love” should be the hallmark of all of our discussions here.

Jon
 
Protestant101 said:
Protestant versus Catholic. Why does it have to be like this? What does the Church of Rome want to see happen for “unity?”
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I think there is a great misconception protestants have of the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Jesus Christ has built his Church upon Rock. She cannot change. Although the Catholic Church works to bring all the fallen away and the lost to the one flock. She is bound to the Apostolic Traditions and Sacred Scriptures. She cannot and will not waver from this Rock revelation from Jesus Christ handed down to us since Pentecost.

It is never a Catholic versus protestant, but protestant in protest to the Catholic apostolic authority, apostolic Traditions, and 2000 year old Sacred Scripture interpretations handed down. Because the Catholic Church was in existance long before the protestant movement came about.

History proves that the Catholic church will never bend to man’s every wind of doctrine that has come in every age since the resurrection.

Protestantism is a child from man’s new doctrine called “free will”. The Catholic Church is covenanted to God’s will not man’s free will to believe freely as one seeks ones own interpretation of enlightenment.

History records the Catholic saints and martyrs would welcome death first before succumbing to mans will or denying Jesus Christ revelations from the Apostolic Traditional teachings and biblical revelations.

The poison of “free will” has been abused by man that it has protested and seperated itself from the True revelations of Jesus Christ which is built upon the Rock in the Catholic (universal) Church.

I think it is very simple; Protestants erase all what they have been misinformed about Catholicism, relearn their Christian roots correctly from the 2000 year old One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church Jesus built upon Peter. Once informed correctly from the Rock which is the Pillar and foundation of Truth. Then man is freely to accept God’s will or his own will.

Peace be with you
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
I think there is a great misconception protestants have of the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Jesus Christ has built his Church upon Rock. She cannot change. Although the Catholic Church works to bring all the fallen away and the lost to the one flock. She is bound to the Apostolic Traditions and Sacred Scriptures. She cannot and will not waver from this Rock revelation from Jesus Christ handed down to us since Pentecost.

It is never a Catholic versus protestant, but protestant in protest to the Catholic apostolic authority, apostolic Traditions, and 2000 year old Sacred Scripture interpretations handed down. Because the Catholic Church was in existance long before the protestant movement came about.

History proves that the Catholic church will never bend to man’s every wind of doctrine that has come in every age since the resurrection.

Protestantism is a child from man’s new doctrine called “free will”. The Catholic Church is covenanted to God’s will not man’s free will to believe freely as one seeks ones own interpretation of enlightenment.

History records the Catholic saints and martyrs would welcome death first before succumbing to mans will or denying Jesus Christ revelations from the Apostolic Traditional teachings and biblical revelations.

The poison of “free will” has been abused by man that it has protested and seperated itself from the True revelations of Jesus Christ which is built upon the Rock in the Catholic (universal) Church.

I think it is very simple; Protestants erase all what they have been misinformed about Catholicism, relearn their Christian roots correctly from the 2000 year old One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church Jesus built upon Peter. Once informed correctly from the Rock which is the Pillar and foundation of Truth. Then man is freely to accept God’s will or his own will.

Peace be with you
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thanks for the eloquence 🙂
 
chris_molter said:
A good answer to this is to look at how the Church is handling those Anglicans who wish to come into full communion. Essentially, unity would occur when a group of Christians could accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in toto, as their “statement of faith”. At that point, they could seek to have their Orders validated and come into corporate reunion.
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Do you have any official writings on this that I could read?
 
Protestant101 said:
Protestant versus Catholic. Why does it have to be like this? What does the Church of Rome want to see happen for “unity?”
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I think the dust has settled from the Catholic vs Protestant wars. This is the 21st century and we have learned to walk apart while living side by side, at least here in the states. All in all, we are as unified as we ever have been and probably as we could ever hope to be.
 
VetA said:
the TOTAL embracing of Catholic dogmas and doctrines specifically (but certainly not limited to), belief in the real presence, belief in the validity of Mass, belief in praying through saints, belief in the primacy of the pope as the successor of St. Peter, belief in Apostolic Tradition, the belief that the sola scriptura and sola fides doctrines are against the One True Faith, [Catholics feel free to add your favorite doctrines here]
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I think I’d stop going to Church if it meant following all of those things in totality.
 
JonNC said:
101,
What type of answer were you expecting here at CAF? “In Essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love” ?

The love part is here, with only a few exceptions, but the notion of what is essential will vary, even amongst Catholics. For example, in a Lutheran Catholic document, sponsored by the Vatican and the LWF, we find this quote regarding Catholic Transubstamtiation and Lutheran Sacrmental Union: The ecumenical discussion has shown that these two positions must no longer be regarded as opposed in a way that leads to separation.
Yet, there are Lutherans and Catholics everywhere that view these two expressions of the real presence as incompatable, even though Lutheran and Catholic theologians think not.

The fact is that unity will come through the Holy Spirit’s guidance of our leaders. Until then, “In all things, love” should be the hallmark of all of our discussions here.

Jon
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I never saw those positions as incompatible and now question even more the reasons for Catholic closed communion… toward Lutherans especially.
 
Lutheranteach said:
I think I’d stop going to Church if it meant following all of those things in totality.
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then dont be Catholic. we dont want to force you to believe the truth, you have to choose to accept God and His Church or not. in the same vein if 'reunification of lutherans and Catholics did occur it would be better to not have people who would not go to church if it were Catholic
let me clarify it would be better to not have people at church that would mislead the rest of the people with their heretical beliefs
 
Lutheranteach said:
No plans to.:o
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Well, it’s not quite as cut and dried as all that. You need to accept the Primacy and Authority of Peter’s Succesor and belief in all Catholic dogmas. However, IMHO, salvation through faith alone vs. salvation through faith and works can be reconciled nicely.

Lutheran belief in the real presence is not something that must be changed. As was already pointed out, both Lutheran and Catholic theologians believe that the two positions are compatible.

So hopefully reunion won’t be as hard as we all think.
 
GKC said:
If you mean the reference to a set of Anglicans, there is an archived forum, found at the bottom of the forum page, with a lot info, in many threads.

Such as this one:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=395358

The subject of Anglicanorum Coetibus is a complicated one, and not easily grasped by those not in the sanbox.

GKC
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Thankyou for that information. I appreciate it very much. That’s not quite what I was hoping for, however I will read that as it will be interesting anyways.

What I was referring to is the following statement by a forum member above:
Essentially, unity would occur when a group of Christians could accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in toto, as their “statement of faith”
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Now, this is a statement made by a Catholic member, I think, and what I was wondering is if this is what is actually reflected in Catholic official writings/teachings? If so, where?

If this quote does accurately reflect official Catholic thinking on the matter at hand; then I would have some other questions to ask.
 
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