From the Catechism of the Catholic church:
Don’t agree with the first part, and I do know about the catechism.
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Read you statement again. I responded to your statement about your church.
Listen, the RCC has added so much non salvation dogma’s through out the centuries it makes my head spin. Read the Gospel of John and tell me if he’s missing anything there. I can’t find most of what you practice, but John tells us:
No, I follow the teachings of the Apostles, the Apostles that saw and lived with Jesus.
Well, theirs your problem. You received your faith from men. I received my faith from Jesus Christ.
They are. I know I can’t loose my salvation either. Do you have that security?
To find out if a Roman Catholic can trust in Christ for their salvation.
Yes. I’ve read stuff on www.fatima.org and shutter to think people are falling for this stuff.
I don’t think I do. The more I talk to RC people on here the more I learn. I’m starting to really understand why there was a reformation.
Of course I believe in Angels, I read the Bible. The praise I’m talking about is this:
Hate to get off subject, but you just described John 6:51Obviously God is not to jealous to give praise to men.
Excuse me but don’t ever accuse someone of reading into the text because you just did. We don’t look at Jesus through Mary. She is blessed I won’t argue that.
Good one Padrej! Yes, I would like to know how she came up with that one too. She made the comment earlier and I asked her to explain and I’m still waiting…
I’m sure there are a few Catholics that aren’t well versed in their religion.
What does The Seventh Day Adventist teach that differs from other religions?
I have several books about the Catholic faith, one written by Scott Hahn and his wife Kimberly.
The question concerning Mary, and other children seems to be a problem.
The only way a Book could be proved to be GOD’s Word is because of the prophecies mentioned and fufilled, not because some Church Fathers said it was. One nice side note as more archealogical discoveries appear the truths contained in the Bible are ever increasing - doesn’t prove the work is from GOD, but that it is historically correct.One would not, but you are avoiding the question. Where in it does it say it is God’s Word, and that it must be believed in order for someone to be saved?
And along those lines, do you believe that no one was saved before it was written?
Have you ever considered that you are the one who might be confused?
Most of Paul’s letters were written before the four “memoirs of the Apostles” that we know of as the four Gospels. When Paul referenced the Gospel, he was talking about what was preserved in Catholic Sacred Tradition - the kerygma, or the preached Word of God.
No. Catholics find the Holy Scriptures profitable in learning how to be in right relationship with God. It was never intended to be a comprehensive “guide” or “manual” of the Christian life. This is the role of the Church, founded by Christ. The Bible is a product of the Church.
No, this was established by the Apostles under the guidance of the HS. The NT reflects the shape of the Church, but is not the source of it. Jesus is the Source.
That is why, when the NT is taken out of it’s context (the Catholic Church) the meaning of the text is lost. The Church did not come from the Bible, but the Bible from the Church. It cannot be properly understood unless one reads it from the perspective of those who wrote it, which is Catholic.
When the Scriptures are read through the lens of the Catholic Sacred Tradition that produced them, of course. When the writings are separated from the faith that produced them, the meaning is lost, and the reader wanders away into various heresies and misunderstandings.
You are still dodging the question, schaick. How do you know that the books you call “the Bible” are really God’s Word? Most of the books don’t claim this for themselves.
You are not Catholic because you did not realize that the Bible is a Catholic book?I am sorry, I am confused. You seem like someone who values the Bible a great deal. It seems that you would also value the Church that produced it.
The Scriptures are sufficient to lead one to Christ, and therefore, to His One Body, the Church, through which He has provided all those things necessary for our salvation.
My beloved brother. Your error in this matter will be cleared up with just a little scripture study. When you study the history of your faith, it will become clear that Paul wrote as many a two decades before the Gospels were written. Paul, like all the early Christians, learned the gospel through Catholic Sacred Tradition, by which the NT was produced.
The scriptures referenced here are the Septuagint, the Alexandrian Old Testament, which was used by Paul. He learned the Gospel from the Apostolic kerygma, and personal divine revelation. He did not read it from Matt. Mk. Lk. or John.
This reference is also from the Septuagint.
I will attempt to ask one more time?
I like what you are saying here BUT, it does not line up with what the Catechism says that I posted earlier. Can you please tell me how the Catechism says it is the Holy Spirit that regenerates us and not Mary?
Kathleen,
The problem I have with that, and think this is what FrJohnb was also referring to; our use of language is where we are having a problem. As you say “but that was my use of lingo” but the problem is you go back to it. Let me cite another part of the Catechism so that It makes this clearer.
OK, so if Mary has grace to restore us to God, where is Jesus in this picture? The Bible clearly states that we have the confidence through the shed blood of Christ to come boldly to God.** IT DOES NOT SAY through Mary.**
You are quite right Brandon72. This doctrine does add to scripture; however we must keep in mind that to Catholics, not only the Bible is classed as scripture. When you or I say “Bible” and they say “Bible;” we both say the same thing; but we mean quite different things.If that isn’t adding to Scripture I don’t know what is…
