Protestant View of Mariology

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jrtrent said:
As the earthly mother of Jesus, highly favored of God and used in bringing forth our Lord in a miraculous way, Mary is to be respected and honored. I do not believe in the immaculate conception, perpetual virginity, or assumption of Mary. I do not believe she can hear our prayers or in any way mediate for us with God. However, she is, as Elisabeth said, blessed among women, and as Mary said, “he that is mighty hath done to me great things,” and “from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.”
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Why did you skip where Elisabeth said “And how has it happened to me, that the Mother of my Lord should come to me?” [Luke 1:41-43] ?

If Elizabeth is from the priestly family line, and Mary is wife of a carpenter (lowest of the lows), she gives Mary so much honor that she cannot be separated from her Son (God The Son).

Better yet, let’s ask St. Iraneus (2nd century) how intimate is the connection of Mary with her Son:

:The knot of Eve’s disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. For what the virgin Eve had bound fast through unbelief, this did the virgin Mary set free through faith." (Adversus haereses, 3, 22)

Note this is against Heresies.

MJ
 
“In the salvific design of the Most Holy Trinity, the mystery of the Incarnation constitutes the superabundant fulfillment of the promise made by God to man after original sin, after that first sin whose effects oppress the whole earthly history of man (cf. Gen. 3:15). And so, there comes into the world a Son, ‘the seed of the woman’ who will crush the evil of sin in its very origins: ‘he will crush the head of the serpent.’ As we see from the words of the Protogospel, the victory of the woman’s Son will not take place without a hard struggle, a struggle that is to extend through the whole of human history. The ‘enmity,’ foretold at the beginning, is confirmed in the Apocalypse, the book of the final events of the Church and the world. Mary, Mother of the Incarnate Word, is placed at the very center of that enmity, that struggle which accompanies the history of humanity on earth and the history of salvation itself. In this history Mary remains a sign of sure hope” (Redemptoris Mater (RM),11).

“I will put enmity between you and the woman.” It is God Himself who introduces the Blessed Virgin Mary to this battle, who makes Her the enemy of satin, of sin and of evil; and if She is made enemy of the devil, then She is also given the necessary powers to triumph in the battle and have victory.

piercedhearts.org/mother_adela/enmity_between_you_woman.htm

If you want to read something more in relation to today and the supernatural, read “Angels and Devils” by Joan Cruz
 
TristanH said:
See, this line of thought for me is the one that pushed me over the edge to believing perpetual virginity. It’s a very reasonable line of thought.
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I admit that I enjoy the study of Sacred Scripture. When you add in the culture of the times, much can be explained according to who the people were and what they believed. The ECF believed in the PV and from my studies, it appears the PV was never a question of doubt.
 
aidanbradypop said:
I admit that I enjoy the study of Sacred Scripture. When you add in the culture of the times, much can be explained according to who the people were and what they believed. The ECF believed in the PV and from my studies, it appears the PV was never a question of doubt.
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PV was never a question of doubt even among the early reformers.
Mary
 
JonNC said:
But His actions certainly do not lead one to believe He had it in mind.

This is one of the times we should look to the practice of the early Church, as Tradition confirms what is rather obvious by Christ’s actions, if not by specific words.

*Maybe you can confirm my thought that there are no women rabbis, either.
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Jon
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Well, I know of one…
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Isaiah45_9 said:
:amen:

Goodness, beautiful said!

:blessyou:
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Teaching of the Faith. Kathleen made me think of the Sisters. She’s right also, you can’t quickly argue 2000 years into someone. Angels and Devils is another good read and perspective in that it shows Catholic Latin Rite exorcism and Marys intercession with pure evil. Evil has no-access to the Blessed Mother, never did, never will. Through Mary was and is Gods plan. Perfect contemplative role model to see Jesus Christ.

She is not a leave or take in a proper formation in Catholicism. Or the Apostolic Church’s. Very much part of the plan of the Redeemer.
 
JonNC said:
And it is not the only calling. Just as there are many kinds of gifts, there are different callings.

Jon
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My daughter is a Lutheran school teacher. The LCMS considers it a calling.
I would think being a nun would be considered a calling, as well.

Jon
 
TristanH:
It is safe to say the Christ breaks the mold, being 100% human and 100% divine. I don’t believe that anyone claims that Mary is the same in that regard.
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And no is claiming Mary has a divine nature as Jesus. However, to assert Mary could not have been born without original sin is in essence saying:

It is impossible.

But…not for God.😉
Interesting comments about sanctifying the Ark of the Covenant. From reading, it appears the Ark was made of normal materials, acacia wood covered in gold. It seems to have been sanctified by what was put into it, not prior to. Perhaps I’m missing a passage that states how the Ark was sanctified prior to putting in the Tablets.
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There are references. The Ark was not touched and held by every single person who came in contact. Precisely why it is called Holy of Holies.
 
JonNC said:
My daughter is a Lutheran school teacher. The LCMS considers it a calling.
I would think being a nun would be considered a calling, as well.

Jon
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We are all called to something in life. I am called to be a part-time Anthropologist and a full-time stay-at-home-dad 😉
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
The problem is that knowing that there are clear exceptions to Paul’s universal affirmative statement, you seem to have given yourself to decide where the exception applies. I’m sorry but, isn’t this a bit arrogant? I mean, why would each and everyone of us should be able to give Scriptures the meaning we see fit to our own ideas and prejudices?
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I think that each and every one of us have given Scripture the meaning we see fit, according to our own ideas and prejudices. We do this by joining a church that we can either formally or at least implicitly attest that we agree with. Whatever church a person joins, they are in that church because, hopefully at least in part, that church’s teachings and understanding of the scriptures substantially matches their own. My older brother and his wife joined a Lutheran church, my younger brother and his wife joined a Catholic church, my parents joined a Baptist church, my grandmother had been Methodist before her death, and I joined an Anglican church. Each of us studied, prayed, and visited different places before making a decision, and though we came to different conclusions, each of us felt we were making the right decision, joining a church that we each believed allowed us to worship and serve God in a way He approves.

You said you were once like I am now. It’s off-topic for this thread, but I’ll bet with a bit of searching it won’t be hard to come up with some past threads on the topic of what led former Protestants to become Catholic. Could make interesting reading.
 
jrtrent said:
I think that each and every one of us have given Scripture the meaning we see fit, according to our own ideas and prejudices. We do this by joining a church that we can either formally or at least implicitly attest that we agree with. Whatever church a person joins, they are in that church because, hopefully at least in part, that church’s teachings and understanding of the scriptures substantially matches their own. My older brother and his wife joined a Lutheran church, my younger brother and his wife joined a Catholic church, my parents joined a Baptist church, my grandmother had been Methodist before her death, and I joined an Anglican church. Each of us studied, prayed, and visited different places before making a decision, and though we came to different conclusions, each of us felt we were making the right decision, joining a church that we each believed allowed us to worship and serve God in a way He approves.
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Brother,

Applying our ideas and prejudices in finding a Church is a bit different than applying it to Scriptures.

My best friend is not Catholic and I have no doubt in my mind he is a man of God and that he walks the walk. He is a great part of me coming back to Christ. To each his own measure.

However, we tend to be arbitrary when interpreting Scriptures. On life application and things alike we can be more flexible. However, when it comes to matters of the Faith - we are in no freedom in interpreting Scriptures it by ourselves and then pretend that we are the only ones that know the truth.

I’m not saying this applies specifically to you, but at times you come across that way. From what you have posted, you are Anglican (Are you still protesting?) and from the little I know about Anglicanism, your Church does hold to a Magisterium and Confessions (This is the part where you correct where I’m wrong :)).

The point I’m trying to explain is that, you quoted Scriptures attempting to prove your point and still did not seem to consider that there were exceptions to that quoted verse(s). Who then decides what the exceptions are? I hope that you (like me) defer to the authority of your Church.
jrtrent said:
You said you were once like I am now. It’s off-topic for this thread, but I’ll bet with a bit of searching it won’t be hard to come up with some past threads on the topic of what led former Protestants to become Catholic. Could make interesting reading.
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Even easier, just click on my forum name and list my posts ;), or feel free to send me a pm or email.

Peace,

Jose
 
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