Protestant View of Mariology

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aidanbradypop said:
Please dont bring that into the thread. If you have a view on the Blessed Mother, share it. It will take us off topic. Thanks 👍
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The title of the thread is* Protestant view of Mariology.*

Later in the OP you asked,
I would like to know your personal opinion of Mariology?
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Since non-Catholics do not practice Mariology and you posted your question in the non-Catholic forums, I assumed you were seeking non-Catholic responses to your question which would render the answer I gave completely on topic.

I’ll bow out. Please accept my apologies for misunderstanding what you attempted to convey in the OP.

Have a blessed day.
 
Arizona_Samson said:
The title of the thread is* Protestant view of Mariology.*

Later in your OP you ask,

Since non-Catholics do not practice Mariology and you posted your question in the non-Catholic forums, I assumed you were seeking non-Catholic responses to your question which would render the answer I gave completely on topic.

I’ll bow out. Please accept my apologies for apparently misunderstanding what you wanted to convey in the OP.

Have a blessed day.
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And you are more the welcome to post your views on Mary. Obviously, Catholics are not Sola Scriptura so asking “where is that in the bible” will just take us off topic. But like I said, I am interested in your views of Mary. 🙂
 
Arizona_Samson said:
The title of the thread is* Protestant view of Mariology.*

Later in the OP you asked,

Since non-Catholics do not practice Mariology and you posted your question in the non-Catholic forums, I assumed you were seeking non-Catholic responses to your question which would render the answer I gave completely on topic.

I’ll bow out. Please accept my apologies for misunderstanding what you attempted to convey in the OP.

Have a blessed day.
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all though i have been to Fatama , mejo-gorie-- and a few other places-- on the discovery of mary–

back in 1995 - when attending a mary presentation in california – by some Marian- priests- after they did the presentation- they asked us to write our petitions on a paper and put them on a alter that held a statute of mary-- so that she could interced for our prayer requests–

i had an odd experience-- that God the Holy Spirit – started quoting Ex 20 – in my mind–
as follows–

3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

4* “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.*

so i choose not to present petitions to this spiritual entity–
God Jesus the Holy Spirit answers my requests–

so i am excluded for this religious practice
 
Arizona_Samson said:
Where does the Bible teach this?
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[bibledrb]John 2:5[/bibledrb]

I don’t recall anyone else commanding others to do whatever Jesus tells us.

And we know what happens when we do what Jesus tells us? We get closer to Him.

😃
 
dontazemebro said:
all though i have been to Fatama , mejo-gorie-- and a few other places-- on the discovery of mary–

back in 1995 - when attending a mary presentation in california – by some Marian- priests- after they did the presentation- they asked us to write our petitions on a paper and put them on a alter that held a statute of mary-- so that she could interced for our prayer requests–

i had an odd experience-- that God the Holy Spirit – started quoting Ex 20 – in my mind–
as follows–

3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

4* “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.*

so i choose not to present petitions to this spiritual entity–
God Jesus the Holy Spirit answers my requests–

so i am excluded for this religious practice
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Didn’t the priest say “…intercede for us”? Where exactly is “Mary is God” in this? She’s not God obviously but we ask her to intercede for us to her Son who is God the Son (the only mediator between God and Man).

The statue is just a direction. Not itself (the clay or whatever material it is made of) that is being worshiped.

Don’t feel excluded. Trust in Mother Mary that her prayers- like you ask others to pray for you (because you believe they are good people) that God will hear her request for you.

That said you need to understand and contemplate the Communion of Saints or relearn what that is (as you say you are Catholic) 🙂

God bless

MJ
 
Arizona_Samson said:
The title of the thread is* Protestant view of Mariology.*

Since non-Catholics do not practice Mariology and you posted your question in the non-Catholic forums, I assumed you were seeking non-Catholic responses to your question which would render the answer I gave completely on topic.
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The accuracy of this statement depends a great deal upon what you mean by Mariology.
If one accepts the doctrine of the virgin birth as Mariology, then I would say virtually all Christians practice it. If one accepts that the Doctrine of the Holy Theotokos is Mariology, then a great many non-Catholics practice it.

ISTM that we sometimes when talking about Mariology, we focus on the things that are either exclusive to Catholics, the IC for example, or things Catholics share with Orthodoxy, invocation of the saints. The are, however, other parts of Mariology that virtually all or at least many of us share.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
The accuracy of this statement depends a great deal upon what you mean by Mariology.
If one accepts the doctrine of the virgin birth as Mariology, then I would say virtually all Christians practice it. If one accepts that the Doctrine of the Holy Theotokos is Mariology, then a great many non-Catholics practice it.

ISTM that we sometimes when talking about Mariology, we focus on the things that are either exclusive to Catholics, the IC for example, or things Catholics share with Orthodoxy, invocation of the saints. The are, however, other parts of Mariology that virtually all or at least many of us share.
Jon
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Great point. What parts of Mariology do you believe we all share in? I would state the virgin birth would probably be the view that we all have in common
 
I joined a group to learn about a certain saint. It is an organization that has been around for hundreds of years…

But I left because I never read one single quote from the saint, but only many reflections and actions from him.

I want to learn from the actual person and my relationship with that person rather than read about him/her or other people’s interpretation…in text…about this person.

So…I would say this is a little reflection of what incarnation means…being in relationship with someone and learning from them…an encounter.

Mary has so much more to teach us to be in God’s kingdom, and to become that much closer before Christ…and help us to become more integrated with Him. There is so much to learn about Mary, and the fact that she was mostly hidden in Sacred Scriptures in of itself re-echos my point.

When you deny Mary, you deny the feminine element of grace, the companionship, the affirmation of the essence of who you are and knowing that constant motherly love and protection. Mary has a sense of humor, too.

I had an older friend who would go in the middle of the night at 2 am to spend time with Christ in Adoration, and the chapel was on top of a hill. One night he braved the snow and ice. As he approached the hill, he prayed out, “Blessed Mother – you have to help me!!!
I am going to visit your Son.”

At that very moment, a snow truck pulled out right in front of him and paved the secure way for him all the way to the chapel.

Sometimes I ask Mary’s take on certain church people. And she seems to look back at me with cheerfulness and take everything as on ‘the up and up’. It makes me chuckle.

John Paul II had a good sense of humor. And for a model that is carnate, his humor to me reflects Mary’s humor…and the happy, familial bond we all share as Catholics.

Likewise, she is there with us when we pray the rosary, she hears all our prayers, and takes them before the Heavenly Father, every word we say is taken so tenderly by her heart. With her, heaven sees everything we suffer and do for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Mary is the greatest advocate of sinners.

It is a sorry loss to see all the whittling away of the Blessed Virgin Mary and I know it makes her very sad how Christians minimalize or reject her.
 
Kathleen,

Really nice post!

A priest explained it in a way that sticks with me to this day. He stated that if someone invited your family to a party but told you that although they love and respect your mother, she is not invited to share in the joys of the party. He explained that most if not all would be very offended by that. The same goes with our Holy Mother. Many respect her for her role in Christ’s life on earth, but do not “invite her to the party.”
 
aidanbradypop said:
Great point. What parts of Mariology do you believe we all share in? I would state the virgin birth would probably be the view that we all have in common
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The problem with the “all of us” is, ironically, that it limits the answer, since there are even some who reject the doctrine of Holy Theotokos (which in my opinion even calls into question the Incarnation). So, certainly, the Virgin Birth.
as for Lutherans and Catholics, the difference has to do with what is an article of faith, and what is adiaphoron. For Lutherans, the Virgin birth and Theotokos are doctrine. Assumption is adiaphoron, as is Perpetual virginity, even though it is affirmed in the Formula of Concord. There are differences of opinion regarding the IC, and some say the teaching is unscriptural. In the confessions, Invocation is rejected, though in my opinion, tepidly.
In short, a Lutheran has the liberty to accept or not, as a pious personal opinion, at least the assumption, perpetual virginity, and the IC or some belief regarding her being full of grace, perhaps even at the Annunciation.
All of these, however, are seen in light of the Person of Christ, the Incarnation.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
The problem with the “all of us” is, ironically, that it limits the answer, since there are even some who reject the doctrine of Holy Theotokos (which in my opinion even calls into question the Incarnation). So, certainly, the Virgin Birth.
as for Lutherans and Catholics, the difference has to do with what is an article of faith, and what is adiaphoron. For Lutherans, the Virgin birth and Theotokos are doctrine. Assumption is adiaphoron, as is Perpetual virginity, even though it is affirmed in the Formula of Concord. There are differences of opinion regarding the IC, and some say the teaching is unscriptural. In the confessions, Invocation is rejected, though in my opinion, tepidly.
In short, a Lutheran has the liberty to accept or not, as a pious personal opinion, at least the assumption, perpetual virginity, and the IC or some belief regarding her being full of grace, perhaps even at the Annunciation.
All of these, however, are seen in light of the Person of Christ, the Incarnation.

Jon
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Its good the Lutheranism allows such beliefs. Many denominations are against such. The whole denying Mary is the Mother of God baffles me. If one believes Christ is God, then one has to affirm that Mary is the Mother of God. BUT they do not. 🤷
 
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