Protestant View of Mariology

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Monergistic said:
Perhaps infants are simply excluded from either falling short of God’s glory or having attained it. It’s tough to put them in either one of those categories; perhaps they belong in a “not applicable” grouping to whom the meat of the paradigm does not directly apply.

All have sinned AND fall short of the glory of God.
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Then again our Lord said:

Mark 10:13-16
13 And they were bringing children to him, that he might touch them; and the disciples rebuked them. 14 But when Jesus saw it he was indignant, and said to them, “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God. 15 Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.” 16 And he took them in his arms and blessed them, laying his hands upon them.

Matthew 19:14
but Jesus said, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.”

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EvangelCatholic said:
Here’s a Lutheran view of maiology:
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if my nice or her husband (Lutherans) saw that they would probably accuse us of Marian worship…I am glad to see that there are wonderful Lutherans like yourself out there that realize the truth, and honor Jesus’ mother in a similar way.👍
 
aidanbradypop said:
An angel of God spoke with Mary and told her she would give birth to the Son of God. How could she be one of the “relatives/friends” that doubted him? Was it not Mary that told Christ to change the water into wine at the wedding in Cana?

Say you are female (I do not know your gender lol) and you became pregnant while a virgin. An angel from God told you that you would carry Christ. Just that alone would make one believe that nothing is impossible. Let us look at the whole picture of things rather than one verse that can be translated many different way depending on the version of the Scriptures. 👍
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Well, I was surprised when I first read the Israelites kept doubting God after all the miracles in Egypt! I’ve found personally it’s easy to doubt even after experiencing amazing answers to prayer in the past.

However that said, after reading up on the subject I’ve concluded that from the passage it cannot be concluded Mary was one of the relatives mentioned in the earlier verse so I will retract this argument
 
Protos said:
I’ve found personally it’s easy to doubt even after experiencing amazing answers to prayer in the past.
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And I’ve found personally that doubt in this matter is not of God, though understandable in the world.

"The mind goes on ahead and through even greater and more perfect attention, it achieves an understanding of the truly intelligible, thereby drawing closer to the vision by which it may discern the indiscernibility of the Divine Nature. In this matter True Vision belongs to Him who is sought; and in this matter… “not seeing is itself seeing.” St Gregory of Nyssa 390-AD

Church, Spiritual director is my suggestion, harness your worship correctly in the Lords Kingdom. Your seeing the infinite from the finite, and while no doubt awe, you too realize just how finite you are. Consolation, Desolation, in which case you entertain the desolation to reinforce your doubt and disbelieve a flashing glimpse of the infinite.

Or as Augustine said; You believe so you can see, the reward is to see what you believe.

or Bible,

Jeremiah “You shall seek me, and find me, when you shall search for me with all your heart”

Matthew “Ask, and you will receive. Search, and you will find. Knock, and the door will be opened for you.”

The bible only thinking is not serving us well, we are not understanding this Bible correctly without Mother Church and all those who traveled the winding narrow road before us. Its foolish to ignore their words in the context of Church teaching. You have no continuity of context. Same old story from what I see, change creation, change the fall, change the law by, misunderstanding, and its not hard to see how the sequence follows. Lost travelers with the finality of the words…“God only will save us” :bowdown:

Cutting off the nose to spite the face, in other words.
 
I am astounded that some Catholics seem totally unaware of the meaning of the Immaculate Conception.
This doctrine relates to Mary’s own conception - born free of Original Sin. It does not relate to how she conceived Jesus as Kathleen Gee seems to assume in her post.
As GOD and sin are irreconcilable, how could the Word of God Made Flesh be conceived and nurtured in the womb of a sinner?
Mary was the second Eve as prophesised in Genesis 3:15. The first Eve was a pushover, no contest. But the woman and her ‘seed’, the only place in scripture that uses this term describing a woman, draws the lines of a spiritual battle with the serpent.
 
Protos said:
Well, I was surprised when I first read the Israelites kept doubting God after all the miracles in Egypt! I’ve found personally it’s easy to doubt even after experiencing amazing answers to prayer in the past.

However that said, after reading up on the subject I’ve concluded that from the passage it cannot be concluded Mary was one of the relatives mentioned in the earlier verse so I will retract this argument
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It shouldn’t surprise you. We often doubt God even today. Where one goes wrong is assuming the Mother of Christ did the same. She could have said no to God. She could have not went to Egypt when told, etc…etc, but we see in Scripture that she did all that God asked. She was faithful! All Christians should agree on this issue.

Thank you for retracting your argument. I believe it is safe to say that she never doubted who her Son was and the mission before Him. When He was beaten and nailed to the cross, she never doubted who He was.
 
aidanbradypop said:
It shouldn’t surprise you. We often doubt God even today. Where one goes wrong is assuming the Mother of Christ did the same. She could have said no to God. She could have not went to Egypt when told, etc…etc, but we see in Scripture that she did all that God asked. She was faithful! All Christians should agree on this issue.

Thank you for retracting your argument. I believe it is safe to say that she never doubted who her Son was and the mission before Him. When He was beaten and nailed to the cross, she never doubted who He was.
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ozellis said:
It does not relate to how she conceived Jesus as Kathleen Gee seems to assume in her post.
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I think you are mistaken here, ozellis. Kathleen Gee has an exquisite and correct understanding of the IC.

Perhaps it would help if you showed what post she made that indicates that she believes the IC is when Jesus was conceived in her womb?
 
Very nice,

If we used an analogy for example of sports. God=[creator, owner, athletic director and coach]. Mary is His [quarterback]. Why would you take Her our of the game? :confused:🤷 😛
 
4th quarter everyone…Put Mary in the game. “In the end My Immaculate will triumph” -Fatima



The Holy Spirit is present through Mary. In the photo and also as Benedict explained March 13 2010 homily, and historically in the encyclicals of the Church.

The Coptic Church has Mary in the game. Hail Mary! The EO has Mary in the game, The Apostolic Church’s “all” have Mary in the game and always, as the Catholic Church obviously also does.

Ok back to Catholicism without sports analogies. 😉
 
ConstantineTG said:
And not in us duly baptized and confirmed/chrismated?
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Oh for sure, I just thought perhaps if an actual photo was shown and understanding that this isn’t some strange idea outside of Gods Kingdom. it may add perspective. I’m digging deep in other words. 😃
 
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