Protestant VS Catholic

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twb1621 said:
There are many weak Christians in all faiths unfortunately but as far as the attitude your brother has, there is no forgiveness without repentance which means sincerity of heart and will to avoid repeating the sin. That is the purpose of Reconciliation. Nothing stands to be forgiven without repentance.
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When I read Jude 3,4
I thought of what you said.
 
excaliber said:
Let me give you a real life example.

I was born and raised Jehovahs witness. I am used to having a school for ministry, and a publication that the whole church would study. Also preaching publicly. We would also break up in small groups and study a book in private homes.

The study schedual and evangelical training was great.
Later I learned of the Catholic church, it was great to learn the truth. It is great to learn about mass.

But I have no catholic family, and no friends in my parish…that isolation was very very bad, going to mass on sunday was and is not enugh to sustain me spiritualy.

However if I go back to my protestant roots, and baptise Jehovahs witness practices that don’t conflict with the church.
I then can be a good Christian.

I strongly feel that protestants canot leave there church and be a good Catholic, if they leave behind
the things that they did as protestants that made them feel Gods presence in there life.

So I may not be a Jehovahs witness under the direction of watchtower, but I am one of Jesus witnesses under the athority of the Pope.

Now some have Catholic family, or a Catholic spouse to assist them. for them things are different. But not for me. I have no choice but to learn from my protestant roots. Cradel Catholics probably have no need for this.
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I can Appreciate the change you made, my wife has gone through the same transition. But with your experience, have you considered checking with the priest of the Catholic Church you attend and looking into starting a group or perhaps there is a secular society in your area you could join. We are in the process of joining the Secular Franciscan Order ourselves. If you need help, I can try to help you. There is also a web site of those who have converted from JW to Catholic Faith.
 
twb1621 said:
I can Appreciate the change you made, my wife has gone through the same transition. But with your experience, have you considered checking with the priest of the Catholic Church you attend and looking into starting a group or perhaps there is a secular society in your area you could join. We are in the process of joining the Secular Franciscan Order ourselves. If you need help, I can try to help you. There is also a web site of those who have converted from JW to Catholic Faith.
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No I haven’t…I am not aware of these things, I am also not aware of what to ask the priest.

I don’t have Catholic family (my sister in another state converted recently, but has no more knowledge then me) to help.

It is good you can help your wife, I am sure God will provide me with my needs…however I don’t have help from relatives. And my spouce will probably be JW, simply because we dated prior to my knowledge of the church.

The Catholic exjw site is nice but they communicate by e-mail groups…and I can’t figure out how to join.

But Im sure all will turn out fine. Christ got me this far, Im sure he will finish the job.
 
excaliber said:
No I haven’t…I am not aware of these things, I am also not aware of what to ask the priest.

I don’t have Catholic family (my sister in another state converted recently, but has no more knowledge then me) to help.

It is good you can help your wife, I am sure God will provide me with my needs…however I don’t have help from relatives. And my spouce will probably be JW, simply because we dated prior to my knowledge of the church.

The Catholic exjw site is nice but they communicate by e-mail groups…and I can’t figure out how to join.

But Im sure all will turn out fine. Christ got me this far, Im sure he will finish the job.
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Well God Bless you and guide you and if there is anything I can do to help you let me know.
 
eucharisteo said:
LIBERAL??? Ahhhh I don’t think so. You obviously have never been to one of our congregations.
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For the record, I’m Catholic. But sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant to say “LITERAL”.

Ironically Yours.
 
excaliber said:
But I have no catholic family, and no friends in my parish…that isolation was very very bad, going to mass on sunday was and is not enugh to sustain me spiritualy.
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Hi excalibar,

Being active in a church is key to feeling a part of it and this way you will meet others. A church family is truly a blessing.

As a military spouse, I have moved nine times with homes as close as a hour’s drive to as far as a 14 hour plane ride from my folks. Does your Church work at a Soup Kitchen? Does it work with Habitat for Humanity? Even getting involved with the Choir is a great way to make connections in your church to build a network that you can call your church family. There is always service as a Lector, Eucharistic Minister, Usher or a Greeter. These are only a few suggestions that I can think of off the top of my head to help you feel a part of your church family.

God Bless!
 
excaliber said:
Our protestant brothers and sisters are very good at worship OUTSIDE of MASS because they don’t have mass.
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I agree that many Protestants are very good worship outside of Mass, but I won’t say that it’s because they don’t have mass. (Although I’ll admit that saying “Protestants are good at ______ because they don’t have ______” does seem like a very effective way for me, as a Catholic, to safeguard my own ego. :o)
 
emeraldcoast said:
Hi excalibar,

Being active in a church is key to feeling a part of it and this way you will meet others. A church family is truly a blessing.

As a military spouse, I have moved nine times with homes as close as a hour’s drive to as far as a 14 hour plane ride from my folks. Does your Church work at a Soup Kitchen? Does it work with Habitat for Humanity? Even getting involved with the Choir is a great way to make connections in your church to build a network that you can call your church family. There is always service as a Lector, Eucharistic Minister, Usher or a Greeter. These are only a few suggestions that I can think of off the top of my head to help you feel a part of your church family.

God Bless!
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I hope you noticed my apology in post 33. It was my misunderstanding of what the group was about. You were right about the value of such a gathering. God Bless.
 
twb1621 said:
I hope you noticed my apology in post 33. It was my misunderstanding of what the group was about. You were right about the value of such a gathering. God Bless.
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Peace be with you, twb!:hug1:
 
Blade_and_Blood said:
For the record, I’m Catholic. But sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant to say “LITERAL”.

Ironically Yours.
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I’m Catholic too. But the terms Liberal or Conservative really don’t have a place in religious faith. These terms are widely misused.

Literal…yes. That is true.

Oh the ironic stories I could tell you…🙂
 
excaliber said:
Let me give you a real life example.

I was born and raised Jehovahs witness. I am used to having a school for ministry, and a publication that the whole church would study. Also preaching publicly. We would also break up in small groups and study a book in private homes.

The study schedual and evangelical training was great.
Later I learned of the Catholic church, it was great to learn the truth. It is great to learn about mass.

But I have no catholic family, and no friends in my parish…that isolation was very very bad, going to mass on sunday was and is not enugh to sustain me spiritualy.

However if I go back to my protestant roots, and baptise Jehovahs witness practices that don’t conflict with the church.
I then can be a good Christian.

I strongly feel that protestants canot leave there church and be a good Catholic, if they leave behind
the things that they did as protestants that made them feel Gods presence in there life.

So I may not be a Jehovahs witness under the direction of watchtower, but I am one of Jesus witnesses under the athority of the Pope.

Now some have Catholic family, or a Catholic spouse to assist them. for them things are different. But not for me. I have no choice but to learn from my protestant roots. Cradel Catholics probably have no need for this.
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Have you explored the various lay movements, groups or communities in your parish? According to your needs, there are some which are more social or spirtual or ministrial in nature. These proved to be good support for Catholics. While the mass is purely worship in nature, it is not really the place to find fellowship. But movements / groups / communities are another thing altogether where you can experience Christian life in an ordinary way together with other parishioners.
 
JonNC said:
I don’t see the connection between fellowship, and the moral issues you mentioned.

Jon
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Fellowship can be a huge attraction to one already displeased with the Church over something like moral theology.
 
It is God’s desire that we make the choice to love Him on our own throughout our mortal lives so that what we give to Him is honest, heart felt love and devotion, not just compliance out of fear. That free will continues to our last breath of mortal life and until that last breath is taken, the test is not over. In order to love someone with the respect and devotion that leads one’s heart to that all natural love, a person must have the desire to learn to know that person intimately and it is the continually growing knowledge that strengthens that love which in turn determines the depth of the devotion. It is not enough to claim we know scripture and conclude based on that we know Him. If scripture conflicts with itself one’s interpretation has to be wrong, there is no other reason for it. We see that right here in front of us. Too many of us have too many interpretations of scripture and all but one is within the structure of the Church the Christ, Jesus, founded. Do I say this with ill feelings or prejudice toward others who claim Christianity as their faith? Of course not. It is sad that we all cannot see. I say it based on what each of us should be able to see but do not. Through ego and self-pride we take a stance of competition toward each other instead of opening our hearts and minds enough to understand who created this division. And yes Jesus knew it would happen and it is Satan who causes us to be tested because it is he who tries to sway us. That some of us have been scattered like sheep, sifted like wheat and so on. Oh, all the warnings of all the things that would happen have been outlined to us and yet we look at the scriptures and the confusion we brought on ourselves through Satan’s encouragement and debate it amongst ourselves instead of regrouping with the hunger to really know.
I ask one question; how is it so many can recite the gospel verses yet outright choose to ignore other verses that conflict with what we choose to believe? And we don’t question that as much as compete between ourselves.
God’s eternal love in heaven is our gift for doing no more than loving Him with the same devotion as He offers each of us. He gave His son to prove what we mean to Him. How beautiful will it be when we get it all together?
 
For those of you that missed me on the “Journey Home” I’m a revert… a Catholic that left and came back home through the Eastern Church. I’m Catholic.
 
Catholicism is a contradiction of everything they’re supposed to stand for.
 
twb1621 said:
bring proof with such accusations, not just opinions.
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Catholics are not perfect by a land slide. So many Catholics set such a bad example in the world that Protestants believe we are pagans. Many do not believe we are Christian. It’s our own fault that people assume so many bad things about us. That’s why we must clean up our own house first.
 
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