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Bengal: When quoting, remember that you close the " quote=****]" tags with just plain old " /quote]" (without the space.) 
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you are quick, i was in the process of fixing it when you posted. thanks though, i do appreciate itBengal: When quoting, remember that you close the " quote=****]" tags with just plain old " /quote]" (without the space.)
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jmm08
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Evangelism is never wrong (unless it is heresy). One year, I was a volunteer for Youth for Christ (protestant nondenominational). The YFC kids we worked with were mostly from single-parent households. And many were having troubled times. We mostly played games like ping pong and foosball and just provided them with a safe place to be. We weren’t trying to change their Church membership.
I am convinced that if you have really found Christ as a Roman Catholic, then there is no way you are going to “convert” to become a Protestant. Those who do, probably missed out for some reason and needed Jesus and found Him. But really, in the RC Church you have Jesus in the presence of the eucharist. You have an alter and a sacrifice. You can worship in Church knowing that God is there. In the protestant church, it is often openly admitted that Communion is only symbolic. In my Baptist Church, the “alter” is very small, lower than and between the pulpit and the congregation. Get it? The pulpit is elevated above the alter? And never any sacrifice on that alter. How can that be right?
If you were drowning, would you want somebody to throw you a symbolic life preserver? Here is a picture of a life vest, hope you float? When we got a new minister recently he always used the word symbolic. I was upset and told a Baptist deacon that the minister needed to stop saying symbolic. The Catholic Priest corrected me. In our Baptist Church it is always symbolic (because the Baptist minister isn’t validly ordained). And there is not a valid Prayer of Consecration.
I am waiting RCIA this fall.
It is not wrong to tell others about Jesus Christ and how He died to save us from our sins. I wish the Roman Catholic Church would do more to reach out. I don’t know any Roman Catholics here. And I haven’t attended mass yet. When I go to RCIA class do I need to name a sponsor?
If so, I have no choice but to put the priest’s name or to say Bishop Sheen. But Bishop Sheen can’t tell me how to cross myself or how to bless myself with holy water (etc.). And the priest is very busy. I suppose I should write him a letter to ask him to find me a good and patient RCIA sponsor.
I am convinced that if you have really found Christ as a Roman Catholic, then there is no way you are going to “convert” to become a Protestant. Those who do, probably missed out for some reason and needed Jesus and found Him. But really, in the RC Church you have Jesus in the presence of the eucharist. You have an alter and a sacrifice. You can worship in Church knowing that God is there. In the protestant church, it is often openly admitted that Communion is only symbolic. In my Baptist Church, the “alter” is very small, lower than and between the pulpit and the congregation. Get it? The pulpit is elevated above the alter? And never any sacrifice on that alter. How can that be right?
If you were drowning, would you want somebody to throw you a symbolic life preserver? Here is a picture of a life vest, hope you float? When we got a new minister recently he always used the word symbolic. I was upset and told a Baptist deacon that the minister needed to stop saying symbolic. The Catholic Priest corrected me. In our Baptist Church it is always symbolic (because the Baptist minister isn’t validly ordained). And there is not a valid Prayer of Consecration.
I am waiting RCIA this fall.
It is not wrong to tell others about Jesus Christ and how He died to save us from our sins. I wish the Roman Catholic Church would do more to reach out. I don’t know any Roman Catholics here. And I haven’t attended mass yet. When I go to RCIA class do I need to name a sponsor?
If so, I have no choice but to put the priest’s name or to say Bishop Sheen. But Bishop Sheen can’t tell me how to cross myself or how to bless myself with holy water (etc.). And the priest is very busy. I suppose I should write him a letter to ask him to find me a good and patient RCIA sponsor.
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BrendaM
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I know this is off the topic, but wanted to reply to jmm08. At the parish I belong to, generally an enquirer will be assigned a sponsor. However, if they know a Catholic, they can ask for that person to be their sponsor. (Except if it is a spouse: this is discouraged, so the enquirer can be free from any pressure in their decisions.)
So rest assured, if you do not come to RCIA with a sponsor in mind, a good, practicing Catholic sponsor will be assigned to you!
May God bless you in your journey!
Brenda M.
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bengal_fan
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yes, a little off topic, but that is okay. you know, most folks on here allow private messages or even emails.
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hsmom2four
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Just my experience with “Young Life” here in the bible-belt - definitey a Protestant organization. They would purposely target young Catholics - very persistent if they found out you were Catholic as they didn’t consider us “Christians.” They, and Campus Crusade for Christ, would spend lots of time on the beach during spring break going after non-churched AND Catholics.
I don’t know if this has changed since I was a teen; Campus Crusade supposedly signed an accord a few years with the Church saying it would lay off going after Catholics. However, don’t know if this has happened or not, esp. since the death of it’s founder, Bill Bright.
I don’t know if this has changed since I was a teen; Campus Crusade supposedly signed an accord a few years with the Church saying it would lay off going after Catholics. However, don’t know if this has happened or not, esp. since the death of it’s founder, Bill Bright.
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h(name removed by moderator),
you definitely were dealing with a rogue group from young life and campus crusade. i have never seen either group “target” catholics. they might ask catholics questions they don’t understand (because they are speaking “protestantese” and the catholic doesn’t “get” exactly what they are saying and thus both sides get confused meaning the protestant thinks, “they don’t understand what i’m saying, they must not be a Christian.” while the catholic is thinking, “what the heck are they talking about, i’ve never heard it put that way before.” but i assure you young life and campus crusade don’t force themselves on catholics as an organization. they want all Christians to really live their faith) but that doesn’t mean they are “targeting” them. like i said before, the bishop of colorado springs (the headquarters of young life and campus crusade and a bunch of other Christian organizations) gives his support to YL (as do a number of other catholic bishops and priests who truly understand young life’s mission and practice. i’m sorry you might have had some folks going against those practices and i would tell you to contact the YL office and express your concerns. if they are not dealt with, there is a regional office, then a divisional office (where i know it will be dealt with as the divisional vice-president in the south east is very catholic friendly because he has many staff who are catholic.
you definitely were dealing with a rogue group from young life and campus crusade. i have never seen either group “target” catholics. they might ask catholics questions they don’t understand (because they are speaking “protestantese” and the catholic doesn’t “get” exactly what they are saying and thus both sides get confused meaning the protestant thinks, “they don’t understand what i’m saying, they must not be a Christian.” while the catholic is thinking, “what the heck are they talking about, i’ve never heard it put that way before.” but i assure you young life and campus crusade don’t force themselves on catholics as an organization. they want all Christians to really live their faith) but that doesn’t mean they are “targeting” them. like i said before, the bishop of colorado springs (the headquarters of young life and campus crusade and a bunch of other Christian organizations) gives his support to YL (as do a number of other catholic bishops and priests who truly understand young life’s mission and practice. i’m sorry you might have had some folks going against those practices and i would tell you to contact the YL office and express your concerns. if they are not dealt with, there is a regional office, then a divisional office (where i know it will be dealt with as the divisional vice-president in the south east is very catholic friendly because he has many staff who are catholic.
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Lance_O
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Sorry to take this discussion off track for a minute-
I would really like to hear your story sometime! Maybe a new thread could be started or you could tell me in a private message. I’m curious how you learned so much about the Mass without even being at one before.
I myself went through RCIA going on two years ago, and I continue to go back and volunteer (sometimes sponsor) to help out others going through. Hopefully in the area you live, they have a very good RCIA program that orthodox/strong in the faith. Trust me that you will meet some very good people at RCIA…and you don’t have to worry about the sponsor part.
God got you this far…he’ll take care of the rest.
Peace- Lance
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Journeyman
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Hi again all,
I had posted on this topic a few weeks ago and the topic was dead for awhile, but now I see it has ben resurrected!
I had previously mentioned that I have Catholic child who is involved in Young Life. Some of the responses on the forum were from good people who were concerned for my child’s faith. I took those concerns to heart. I did some research and found a great series of books, written for the youth by Amy Welborn, titled Prove It . The book I ordered is Prove It, Church. It addresses questions that Catholic youth might hear from Evangelicals and Fundamentalists regarding their fairh such as “Have you been saved?”, “Why did your Church add books to the bible?”.
My child has actually enjoyed reading the book and we discuss each chapter. I would highly recommend this series of books to anyone who has Catholic children who participate in youth groups etc… in non-denominational settings, because most times, they are Evangelical groups. And then talk to your child about the faith, why we believe what we believe etc…
I had posted on this topic a few weeks ago and the topic was dead for awhile, but now I see it has ben resurrected!
I had previously mentioned that I have Catholic child who is involved in Young Life. Some of the responses on the forum were from good people who were concerned for my child’s faith. I took those concerns to heart. I did some research and found a great series of books, written for the youth by Amy Welborn, titled Prove It . The book I ordered is Prove It, Church. It addresses questions that Catholic youth might hear from Evangelicals and Fundamentalists regarding their fairh such as “Have you been saved?”, “Why did your Church add books to the bible?”.
My child has actually enjoyed reading the book and we discuss each chapter. I would highly recommend this series of books to anyone who has Catholic children who participate in youth groups etc… in non-denominational settings, because most times, they are Evangelical groups. And then talk to your child about the faith, why we believe what we believe etc…
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bengal_fan
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excellent suggestions journeyman! i have read those books and they are good. i would say though that those questions would most likely be coming from other youth and not the leaders of young life (although there are always a few bad apples).
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bengal_fan
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again, if any parents out there want info on any youth organization, i probably have it so please don’t hesitate to ask as there are some out there that aren’t great (young life is not one of the bad ones ). i will respond to any questions you might have and you can e-mail me through these forums.
). i will respond to any questions you might have and you can e-mail me through these forums.
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La_Chiara
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Young Life is a Protestant evangelical fundamentalist youth group. It is not Catholic and its faith statements are absolutely Protestant (sola scriptura, by faith alone). Catholic youth who go to Young Life are kids who should be developing their own Catholic faith. Catholic parents who let their children go to Young Life are parents who are not formed fully in their own Catholic faith. Young Life proselytizes to kids and encourages them to bring in their friends. It encourages kid-to-kid proselytizing, circumventing the parents. Young Life gains access to public schools and has religious youth ministers talk to minors when their parents are not around. What do you know about Young Life ministers? They seem to be clean cut all-American young adults. But Mormon missionaries are clean cut all-American young adults. I wouldn’t want Mormons proselytizing to my children, or Mormon youth leaders having access to my child’s school, or Mormon children encouraging my child to come to their “Christian” youth group. And I also would absolutely object if Catholic youth ministers were proselytizing to Episcopalian, Baptist, Lutheran, etc. youth at school or through their Catholic peers. It goes both ways and it is inappropriate.
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bengal_fan
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LaChiara,
i have tried to explain this too you and have done a fairly good job but it seems you just wanted to bad mouth a great organization that has been approved by a number of bishops and the bishop of colorado springs actually put pen to paper to endorse. their statement of faith doesn’t necessarily promote faith alone and definitely doesn’t say sola scriptura it just says that for the young life staff and volunteers, they have an authority (since young life is not a church and doesn’t claim to be). there are many staff of young life who are catholic. so the bishops and the staff all agree that the statement of faith doesn’t preclude some one including the catholic doctrines of Tradition and the magisterium being authoritative or including grace and works into justification. young life is not fundamentalist (by the definition of fundamentalism) but it is evangelical (meaning that it wishes to evangelize the unchurched not proselytize the churched). there may be some leaders (and possibly staff) out there who do otherwise but they go against what young life says to do. i don’t think we will ever agree on this as it seems you are unwilling to hear, but that is okay with me since it seems you take your children’s religious education seriously as opposed to many parents who don’t and young life is a great ministry that helps get kids either going to church for the first time or re-interested (more interested) in their faith (and this includes catholic kids, when this happens the yl leader is to encourage them to go to church with their parents or the church their parents go to). i guess if you want to keep badmouthing an organization you don’t know a whole lot about (other than maybe a bad experience and reading things into statements) then be my guest but a tree is judged by it’s fruits and young life’s fruits are immense (it is the largest youth organization in the world with one million kids involved every year) and lasting (just one example again is scott hahn came to Christ through young life).
i have tried to explain this too you and have done a fairly good job but it seems you just wanted to bad mouth a great organization that has been approved by a number of bishops and the bishop of colorado springs actually put pen to paper to endorse. their statement of faith doesn’t necessarily promote faith alone and definitely doesn’t say sola scriptura it just says that for the young life staff and volunteers, they have an authority (since young life is not a church and doesn’t claim to be). there are many staff of young life who are catholic. so the bishops and the staff all agree that the statement of faith doesn’t preclude some one including the catholic doctrines of Tradition and the magisterium being authoritative or including grace and works into justification. young life is not fundamentalist (by the definition of fundamentalism) but it is evangelical (meaning that it wishes to evangelize the unchurched not proselytize the churched). there may be some leaders (and possibly staff) out there who do otherwise but they go against what young life says to do. i don’t think we will ever agree on this as it seems you are unwilling to hear, but that is okay with me since it seems you take your children’s religious education seriously as opposed to many parents who don’t and young life is a great ministry that helps get kids either going to church for the first time or re-interested (more interested) in their faith (and this includes catholic kids, when this happens the yl leader is to encourage them to go to church with their parents or the church their parents go to). i guess if you want to keep badmouthing an organization you don’t know a whole lot about (other than maybe a bad experience and reading things into statements) then be my guest but a tree is judged by it’s fruits and young life’s fruits are immense (it is the largest youth organization in the world with one million kids involved every year) and lasting (just one example again is scott hahn came to Christ through young life).
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La_Chiara
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Bengal Fan–
Could you give me some support for the statements you make? For example, what evidence can you give me for your repeated statements that the Bishop of Colorado Spring endorsed Young Life’s Statement of Faith? I find such a claim to be ridiculous without some evidence or support.
Similarly, you categorically state (as does Young Life’s PR) that it seeks to convert the “unchurched”. How does Young Life differentiate? How come I see Young Life evangelizing and involving Catholic youth, including kids whose parents are devout Catholics and who go to Catholic schools? Or do you and Young Life just consider anyone who comes to Young Life to be “unchurched”?
I have never seen any evidence that Young Life encourages kids to go to their own church. To the contrary, at Young Life camps and retreats, there is no effort to take kids to Catholic Mass or to even arrange for them to do so. I am not “bad-mouthing” Young Life. I am making statements based on observation and research.
Are you a paid Young Life youth minister or just a volunteer?
Could you give me some support for the statements you make? For example, what evidence can you give me for your repeated statements that the Bishop of Colorado Spring endorsed Young Life’s Statement of Faith? I find such a claim to be ridiculous without some evidence or support.
Similarly, you categorically state (as does Young Life’s PR) that it seeks to convert the “unchurched”. How does Young Life differentiate? How come I see Young Life evangelizing and involving Catholic youth, including kids whose parents are devout Catholics and who go to Catholic schools? Or do you and Young Life just consider anyone who comes to Young Life to be “unchurched”?
I have never seen any evidence that Young Life encourages kids to go to their own church. To the contrary, at Young Life camps and retreats, there is no effort to take kids to Catholic Mass or to even arrange for them to do so. I am not “bad-mouthing” Young Life. I am making statements based on observation and research.
Are you a paid Young Life youth minister or just a volunteer?
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bengal_fan
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as i’ve said before, if you e-mail me i can send you the letter that the bishop of colorado springs wrote. the camp will take catholic kids to mass if the kids say they desire that (when i went to camp as a freshman in high school…long time ago lol… i went to mass because i knew i was supposed to). the reason Christian kids come to young life is to use it as a tool to reach their unchurched friends. a Christian student is always encouraged to attend church and with their families especially. young life does not (as i’ve said so many times and will continue to say over and over) encourage anyone to leave their current Christian church (although they might encourage a muslim or jewish student to begin attending a Christian church if the student makes a decision to follow Christ and yes i have seen this happen. i am paid young life staff. full-time area director with 35 volunteer leaders in our area and i was a volunteer and paid staff in 2 other areas before i came to where i am now. in all my time i have seen young life be extremely open to catholic students being involved, but not to get them to stop being catholic but to help them share their faith with their friends. young life does not promote any church, but every Christian church. when young life is active in a catholic high school it is for the purpose of reaching the youth who don’t know their faith, don’t care about their faith, or don’t have faith and to help the ones who do know, care and have faith to reach their friends. young life tries very hard to only send catholic volunteers to schools like this (unfortunately, sometimes there aren’t enough catholic volunteers). what happens from time to time is that the catholic youth want to go to church with their protestant friends (i have seen it vice-versa also) but the kids aren’t encouraged to leave their church and, again, are encouraged to stay in their church and learn more.
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bengal_fan
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this is young life’s statement of faith, i will go article by article.
**Article I **
The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, being given by divine inspiration, are the Word of God, the final and supreme authority in all matters of faith and conduct.
this is not “sola scriptura” but “prima scriptura” which the catholic church agrees with. this does not preclude Holy Tradition (as there is no Holy Tradition that contradicts scripture).
**Article II **
In the Scriptures, God reveals Himself as the living and true God, Creator of all things. Perfect in love and righteous in all His ways, this one God exists eternally as a Trinity of persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
i assume no one has a problem with the trinity
**Article III **
God made man in His image that He might have fellowship with him. Being estranged from God by his disobedience, sinful man is incapable of a right relationship to God apart from divine grace.
sin causes us to be separated relationally from God.
**Article IV **
The only Mediator between God and man is Jesus Christ our Lord, God’s eternal Son, who as man fully shared and fulfilled our humanity in a life of perfect obedience.
this is straigh from a verse in the Bible. this does not preclude intercession from others it simply states that it is only Jesus whose work on the cross allows us to enter into relationship with God.
**Article V **
By His death in our place, Jesus revealed the divine love and upheld divine justice, removing our guilt and reconciling us to God. Having risen bodily from the dead and ascended into heaven, He rules as Lord over all and intercedes for us as our Great High Priest.
again, this is what the catholic church teaches also.
**Article VI **
The Holy Spirit, through the proclamation of the Gospel, renews our hearts, persuading us to repent of our sins and confess Jesus as Lord. By the same Spirit, we are led to trust in divine mercy, whereby we are forgiven all our sins, justified by faith through the merit of Christ our Savior, adopted into God’s family as His children and enabled so to live in the world that men may see our good works and glorify our Father who is in heaven.
the only problem in here is the “justified by faith” part, but it does not say by faith alone and it includes God’ merit (grace), becoming His children (covenant relationship), and works.
**Article VII **
God, by His Word and Spirit, calls sinful men into the fellowship of Christ’s body. Thus He creates the one holy, catholic and apostolic church, united in the bonds of love, endowed with the gifts of the Spirit and summoned by Christ to preach the Gospel and to administer the sacraments, to relieve human need and to strive for social justice.
okay, if anyone has a problem with this they must not be catholic
**Article VIII **
God’s redemptive purpose will be consummated by the return of Christ to raise the dead, judge all men and establish His glorious kingdom. Those who are apart from Christ shall be eternally separated from God’s presence, but the righteous shall live and reign with Him forever.
again, from the nicene creed.
*From Young Life Bylaws, Article *
i hope this helps everyone to see that young life is very catholic friendly (and actually consulted some of it’s catholic staff when adopting this statement of faith). it is true that some one could read sola scriptura and sola fide in here, but it is not what was intended.
**Article I **
The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, being given by divine inspiration, are the Word of God, the final and supreme authority in all matters of faith and conduct.
this is not “sola scriptura” but “prima scriptura” which the catholic church agrees with. this does not preclude Holy Tradition (as there is no Holy Tradition that contradicts scripture).
**Article II **
In the Scriptures, God reveals Himself as the living and true God, Creator of all things. Perfect in love and righteous in all His ways, this one God exists eternally as a Trinity of persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
i assume no one has a problem with the trinity
**Article III **
God made man in His image that He might have fellowship with him. Being estranged from God by his disobedience, sinful man is incapable of a right relationship to God apart from divine grace.
sin causes us to be separated relationally from God.
**Article IV **
The only Mediator between God and man is Jesus Christ our Lord, God’s eternal Son, who as man fully shared and fulfilled our humanity in a life of perfect obedience.
this is straigh from a verse in the Bible. this does not preclude intercession from others it simply states that it is only Jesus whose work on the cross allows us to enter into relationship with God.
**Article V **
By His death in our place, Jesus revealed the divine love and upheld divine justice, removing our guilt and reconciling us to God. Having risen bodily from the dead and ascended into heaven, He rules as Lord over all and intercedes for us as our Great High Priest.
again, this is what the catholic church teaches also.
**Article VI **
The Holy Spirit, through the proclamation of the Gospel, renews our hearts, persuading us to repent of our sins and confess Jesus as Lord. By the same Spirit, we are led to trust in divine mercy, whereby we are forgiven all our sins, justified by faith through the merit of Christ our Savior, adopted into God’s family as His children and enabled so to live in the world that men may see our good works and glorify our Father who is in heaven.
the only problem in here is the “justified by faith” part, but it does not say by faith alone and it includes God’ merit (grace), becoming His children (covenant relationship), and works.
**Article VII **
God, by His Word and Spirit, calls sinful men into the fellowship of Christ’s body. Thus He creates the one holy, catholic and apostolic church, united in the bonds of love, endowed with the gifts of the Spirit and summoned by Christ to preach the Gospel and to administer the sacraments, to relieve human need and to strive for social justice.
okay, if anyone has a problem with this they must not be catholic
**Article VIII **
God’s redemptive purpose will be consummated by the return of Christ to raise the dead, judge all men and establish His glorious kingdom. Those who are apart from Christ shall be eternally separated from God’s presence, but the righteous shall live and reign with Him forever.
again, from the nicene creed.
*From Young Life Bylaws, Article *
i hope this helps everyone to see that young life is very catholic friendly (and actually consulted some of it’s catholic staff when adopting this statement of faith). it is true that some one could read sola scriptura and sola fide in here, but it is not what was intended.
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La_Chiara
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Bengal Fan–
I am glad you posted the Statement of Faith for Young Life. But I disagree with your interpretation of the various articles. Clearly, you are Protestant because your interpretation reflects a Protestant view. As I noted in an earlier post on this thread, a Catholic knowledgeable in his or her own faith could not in good conscience agree to this Statement of Faith. BTW, you omitted the Preamble to this Statement of Faith, which I will include below:
“All those who participate in the ongoing work and witness of the Young Life shall be in sympathy with its central purpose of proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In order to qualify for office, members of the Board of Directors, members of the regular and volunteer staff and professors at the Young Life Institute shall subscribe to the following aritcles of faith:”
I am strong enough in my Catholic faith to know that:
I am glad you posted the Statement of Faith for Young Life. But I disagree with your interpretation of the various articles. Clearly, you are Protestant because your interpretation reflects a Protestant view. As I noted in an earlier post on this thread, a Catholic knowledgeable in his or her own faith could not in good conscience agree to this Statement of Faith. BTW, you omitted the Preamble to this Statement of Faith, which I will include below:
“All those who participate in the ongoing work and witness of the Young Life shall be in sympathy with its central purpose of proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In order to qualify for office, members of the Board of Directors, members of the regular and volunteer staff and professors at the Young Life Institute shall subscribe to the following aritcles of faith:”
I am strong enough in my Catholic faith to know that:
- Catholics would absolutely have problems with the Preamble,
- Article I is absolutely sola scriptura, and
- Article IV is not in keeping with Catholic teaching.
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dream_wanderer
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I couldn’t sign a statement of faith that had the words that the Scriptures were the “Final and supreme authority in all matters of faith and conduct.” I’ve come across many statements of faith from many organizations where I could agree on most things…but this in various forms was always the stopping point.
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hsmom2four
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Oh, there was no mistaking their intent. My brother is the one who did most of the talking and when he told them we’re Catholic, they started in with the “yes, but are you saved,” and “do you know you’re going to heaven”, etc. DEFINITELY prostelytizing (sp?) words! (This was a long time ago, so I don’t remember if this was the Young Life or the Campus Crusade group.)
If there’s any doubt, check out this site:
crusade.org/about/focus.html
From this site, under the heading "Reach the Unreached"
“Assist Millenium Films International in distributing the JESUS film to **Catholics **around the world.” (emphasis mine)
From CCC’s FAQ site: campuscrusadeforchrist.com/aboutus/faq.htm
"2. What does Campus Crusade for Christ believe? ** (see Statement of Faith )
** The sole basis of our beliefs is the Bible, God’s infallible written Word, the 66 books of the Old and New Testaments. We believe that it was uniquely, verbally and fully inspired by the Holy Spirit, and that it was written without error (inerrant) in the original manuscripts. It is the supreme and final authority in all matters on which it speaks. We accept those areas of doctrinal teaching on which, historically, there has been general agreement among all true Christians. Because of the specialized calling of our movement, we desire to allow for freedom of conviction on other doctrinal matters, provided that any interpretation is based upon the Bible alone, and that no such interpretation shall become an issue which hinders the ministry to which God has called us. (emphasis mine)
As I said, Campus Crusade did agree a few years back to stop targeting Catholics. In fact, in researching these links, I found an article blasting Bill Bright for his ecumenical leanings. However, their beliefs are NOT in accord with the Catholic Church, so as the parent of a Catholic youth, I would steer them far from this group (unless they felt a strong call to convert those in it
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bengal_fan
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La Chiara:
nice try, but there are many "knowledgeable catholics out there who would disagree with you. i have actually spoken to many and none of them have problems with this statement for the reasons i stated earlier. i have said repeatedly that i could give you copy of a letter from a bishop who is very supportive of the work young life does but you haven’t taken me up on the offer. i stand by what i said (and what many “knowledgeable” catholics have said) and young life does not proselytize, but evangelize and their statement of faith is not in contrast to any catholic teaching.
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