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allischalmers
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unless you get one of those phony Catholic annulments. You were still married, you still had sex, You can not change that. You are still an adulter with or with out an annulment
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mark_a
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The stats show that Protestant vs. Catholic divorce rate is pretty much the same.unless you get one of those phony Catholic annulments. You were still married, you still had sex, You can not change that. You are still an adulter with or with out an annulment
But two wrongs don’t make a right.
The Catholic teaching about marriage is correct and the silence of much of American Protestantism is irresponsible.
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mark_a
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That’s it for me, I’ll see you turkeys at the synagog.The Talmud specifically says that a man can divorce a woman because she spoiled his dinner
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jay29
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Protestant ministers have MOLESTED more children than catholic priests. They have caused more pain.Does a statistic you bring up compare in any way to the millions of dollars the rcc has had to spend in pay-outs to families of children sexually molested over the years? Does it compare to the likes of men like Bernard Law who allowed it to go on? You see, all of those facts, protestant and catholic related, are tragic. But do we protestants think all priests are pedophiles? Nope. I can’t, however, say the same for you and your opinion of protestants. There is obviously no reason to continue this when you will continue to insist: catholic=good-----protestant=bad.
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Julianna
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Not all. My grandmother was a Baptist. She divorced my grandfather in the 1960’s. She believed that as long as he was still living, she would not get married. Doing so, she said would be committing adultery. He passed away in 1970. She never did remarry, but she believed that with all her heart.I have a hard time understanding how Protestants do not believe that remarriage, while the other spouse is alive, is not adultry. The bible clearly says that it is.
Am I right in saying that Protestants believe that adultry only happens when a married spouse “cheats” on his/her spouse?
Protestants please explain your definition of adultry and back it up with scripture.
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ralphinal
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Do you know what an annulment is? It is not saying that the people did not have sex. The annulment says that, based on God’s law, there was not a valid marriage. In other words, the marriage did not exist in the eyes of God and His Church.unless you get one of those phony Catholic annulments. You were still married, you still had sex, You can not change that. You are still an adulter with or with out an annulment
How can you get an annulment? If consent wasn’t given. If one or the other partners lied going in. If there is a prenuptual agreement. If the mariage did not happen according to the rules. If one or the other partner were not free to marry. If the people were related.
Which of these reasons would God not accept when the Church does?
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Rightlydivide
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No one has the original Greek ralphinal, not to be pedantic mind you.What is the word used for fornication in the origionalGreek? Also, isn’t it in Luke where he does not include any exceptions?
The Greek word used in the majority text, cannot speak for any other, is a word familiar to most “porneia”.
My Strong’s says it is used 26 times.
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Rightlydivide
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Annulments occur all the time now, read any statistics on the subject, its a Catholic divorce approved by the church. If Protestants came up with this notion we could lower our divorce rates as well for goodness sakesDo you know what an annulment is? It is not saying that the people did not have sex. The annulment says that, based on God’s law, there was not a valid marriage. In other words, the marriage did not exist in the eyes of God and His Church.
How can you get an annulment? If consent wasn’t given. If one or the other partners lied going in. If there is a prenuptual agreement. If the mariage did not happen according to the rules. If one or the other partner were not free to marry. If the people were related.
Which of these reasons would God not accept when the Church does?
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ralphinal
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It is not a Catholic Divorce. That is a false understanding. The annulment says that there is sufficient reason to beleive that the marriage was not valid. It does not divide property, handle issues of child care,. or anything else a divorce does. All it does is say that there was not a valid marriage there.Annulments occur all the time now, read any statistics on the subject, its a Catholic divorce approved by the church. If Protestants came up with this notion we could lower our divorce rates as well for goodness sakes
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ralphinal
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I should have said Greek, not original, thanks.No one has the original Greek ralphinal, not to be pedantic mind you.
The Greek word used in the majority text, cannot speak for any other, is a word familiar to most “porneia”.
My Strong’s says it is used 26 times.
What does porneia translate to in English?
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Valke2
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I find it hard to believe that Jesus would have agreed with a prenuptial provision for annulment or any of these reasons. duringhis time there were two views on divorce within Judaism and Jesus clearly sided with the more stringent view.Do you know what an annulment is? It is not saying that the people did not have sex. The annulment says that, based on God’s law, there was not a valid marriage. In other words, the marriage did not exist in the eyes of God and His Church.
How can you get an annulment? If consent wasn’t given. If one or the other partners lied going in. If there is a prenuptual agreement. If the mariage did not happen according to the rules. If one or the other partner were not free to marry. If the people were related.
Which of these reasons would God not accept when the Church does?
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Rightlydivide
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In the AV it is always translated fornication. All 26 times.I should have said Greek, not original, thanks.
What does porneia translate to in English?
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Rightlydivide
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But it was a legal marriage in the eyes of the state, just like ours are.It is not a Catholic Divorce. That is a false understanding. The annulment says that there is sufficient reason to beleive that the marriage was not valid. It does not divide property, handle issues of child care,. or anything else a divorce does. All it does is say that there was not a valid marriage there.
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9Choirs
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Rightly Divide,But it was a legal marriage in the eyes of the state, just like ours are.
Herein lies the problem. A valid Catholic marriage is first and foremost sacramental. It is this factor which distinguishes valid Catholic marriages from marriages simply recognised by the State.
The validity of a Catholic marriage is discerned according to Church guidelines, as it is the sacramental validity of the marriage which is being discerned, and not the legal validity of the marriage according to the state.
Quite frankly, much of the reasoning Protestants use to defend engaging in sexual immorality (in this case adultery- which remarriage and extra marital relationships are) is very similar to the reasoning used by those with SSA to defend engaging in sexual immorality too (in this case homosexuality)
Looks like sins of the flesh, although untenable, entices those who have fallen victim to it to use a similar (but invalid argument) to (erroneously) vindicate themselves from feeling guilt…
Ave Maria
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justinthemartyr
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and Jesus Christ put an end to divorce and His Body, the Church has upheld this fact ever since.Jewish Attitude Toward Divorce
Judaism recognized the concept of “no-fault” divorce thousands of years ago. Judaism has always accepted divorce as a fact of life, albeit an unfortunate one. Judaism generally maintains that it is better for a couple to divorce than to remain together in a state of constant bitterness and strife.
Under Jewish law, a man can divorce a woman for any reason or no reason. The Talmud specifically says that a man can divorce a woman because she spoiled his dinner or simply because he finds another woman more attractive, and the woman’s consent to the divorce is not required. In fact, Jewish law requires divorce in some circumstances: when the wife commits a sexual transgression, a man must divorce her, even if he is inclined to forgive her.
jewfaq.org/divorce.htm
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Rightlydivide
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Sacramental marriage is a Catholic concept and as such meaningful to…Catholics. Because it has no validity in anything outside a Catholic church, you cannot expect any Protestant to recognize anything like an annulment as invalidating a marriage. In the eyes of the state, in the eyes of everyone who was at the wedding, people are married. If Catholics wish to invalidate that, that is their semantics. They were legally married. They were divorced.Rightly Divide,
Herein lies the problem. A valid Catholic marriage is first and foremost sacramental. It is this factor which distinguishes valid Catholic marriages from marriages simply recognised by the State.
The validity of a Catholic marriage is discerned according to Church guidelines, as it is the sacramental validity of the marriage which is being discerned, and not the legal validity of the marriage according to the state.
Quite frankly, much of the reasoning Protestants use to defend engaging in sexual immorality (in this case adultery- which remarriage and extra marital relationships are) is very similar to the reasoning used by those with SSA to defend engaging in sexual immorality too (in this case homosexuality)
Looks like sins of the flesh, although untenable, entices those who have fallen victim to it to use a similar (but invalid argument) to (erroneously) vindicate themselves from feeling guilt…
Ave Maria
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cecilia97
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Wow…thank you. If this is really the viewpoint of some non-Catholic faiths, it explains nagging questions I’ve had since attending a divorce recovery seminar at a non-denom church a couple of years ago. This is a pretty simple explanation but I never thought to look at it this way.From what I have heard some Protestants say, they see divorce as sinful. However, God can forgive sin. So if they divorce and later repent, God forgives it. But they are still divorced so they are free to remarry.
The Catholic view is that marriage is a permanent bond. Divorce may be sinful. If the person repents, God forgives the sin. However, the original marriage bond still remains so the person who remarries is actually, in God’s eyes, still married and thus is committing adultery.
This is a difference in understanding and interpretation of scripture.
Guess my brain is “wired” Catholic.
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9Choirs
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A correction to your last sentence: They were legally married. They were not sacramentally married. Their non sacramental marriage was annulled- it never existed. Their legal marriage was ended.Sacramental marriage is a Catholic concept and as such meaningful to…Catholics. Because it has no validity in anything outside a Catholic church, you cannot expect any Protestant to recognize anything like an annulment as invalidating a marriage. In the eyes of the state, in the eyes of everyone who was at the wedding, people are married. If Catholics wish to invalidate that, that is their semantics. They were legally married. They were divorced.
I’m still waiting for a plausible explanation on how protestestants who declare themselves to be ‘Bible based Christians’ can defy Jesus’s own words and remarry, thus committing adultery.
We Catholics are believed to have made ‘many of our beliefs up’, so I’m wondering how some protestants can neglect Jesus’ unambiguous words, being the sola scripture believers you are.
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Rightlydivide
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I’m not divorced and have recently retired as chief spokesperson of all Protestants…A correction to your last sentence: They were legally married. They were not sacramentally married. Their non sacramental marriage was annulled- it never existed. Their legal marriage was ended.
I’m still waiting for a plausible explanation on how protestestants who declare themselves to be ‘Bible based Christians’ can defy Jesus’s own words and remarry, thus committing adultery.
We Catholics are believed to have made ‘many of our beliefs up’, so I’m wondering how some protestants can neglect Jesus’ unambiguous words, being the sola scripture believers you are.
Ave Maria
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9Choirs
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You can’t step down from office without giving at least a weeks notice. LolI’m not divorced and have recently retired as chief spokesperson of all Protestants…
However, the question still remains as it may pertain to you if you ever get divorced (God forbid): Does a protestant who remarries after divorce commit adultery? If the answer to this is ‘no’, then can I and other Catholics be given an explanation, taking into consideration Jesus’s explicit prohibition of remarriage after divorce. (And I expect a ‘Bible Based’ answer considering your intense adoration of sola scripture)
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