Protestants and alcohol

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South_Bound said:
We don’t consider Muslims or Mormons to be our brothers, so that verse wouldn’t apply in this situation.

It should also be pointed out that the reported was told to cover up because she violated the dress code, not because she was dressed immodestly.

Thirdly, I would point out that modest and immodest are oftentimes subjective, while what we’re talking about here, tempting a weaker brother with alcohol, is not.
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Christ seems to disagree with you. He told the Apostles to go and make disciples of all men to the ends of the world.

The RCC does indeed consider them our Brothers and Sisters also. We accept everyone.

ALL ARE WELCOME IN OUR HOME!😃
 
SyroMalankara said:
I’d say unhealthy eating, slanderous impious conversation, and preaching a false gospel are eternally more dangerous for a weaker brother than alcohol. I’ve never seen any alcohol-free church serve only healthy foods, limited desserts, limit topics of conversation or make sure to watch one’s mouth (I’ve heard vulgarities out of pastors mouths while preaching from the pulpit), or establish a solid foundational basis for what is being taught (other than ‘the Bible says [fill-in-whatever-preacher-is-sayin]’)
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But this thread is about alcohol. Like I said to the other poster, rather than derail this thread, why not start another to discuss those things?
rinnie said:
Christ seems to disagree with you. He told the Apostles to go and make disciples of all men to the ends of the world.
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And what exactly did I say that that disagrees with?
The RCC does indeed consider them our Brothers and Sisters also.
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And that is certainly your choice.
 
But this thread is about alcohol. Like I said to the other poster, rather than derail this thread, why not start another to discuss those things?
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I think the discussion is both valid and necessary, as it relates to the protestant attitudes on alcohol as a special dimension of evil or forbidden, as opposed to other potential or hypothetical dangers. Another thread is unnecessary.
 
SyroMalankara said:
I think the discussion is both valid and necessary, as it relates to the protestant attitudes on alcohol as a special dimension of evil or forbidden, as opposed to other potential or hypothetical dangers. Another thread is unnecessary.
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Since I came into this thread believing, in good faith, that it was a discussion about alcohol, I will continue to address the alcohol issue and will not derail the thread by discussing modesty or “healthy food” in this thread.

I’ve never claimed that alcohol was a “special dimension of evil or forbidden”. I’ve never even said that it is evil or forbidden at all, as I do not believe that.

All I said is that, in our church, we choose not to have alcohol at our functions for the reasons stated in my first post.
 
We simply choose to fund our ministries in ways that don’t include helping people in getting their buzz on or taking the houses cut from the gambling tables.
 
4Squarebaby said:
We simply choose to fund our ministries in ways that don’t include helping people in getting their buzz on or taking the houses cut from the gambling tables.
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Do you eliminate coffee, sugar, high-energy music and sermoning? How about auctioning goods/foods/etc for fundraiser or raffles for prizes?
 
SyroMalankara said:
Do you eliminate coffee, sugar, high-energy music and sermoning? How about auctioning goods/foods/etc for fundraiser or raffles for prizes?
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No simply things like drugs which alter you and the high gambling gives when you do get over on the house
 
4Squarebaby said:
No simply things like drugs which alter you and the high gambling gives when you do get over on the house
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I don’t get any high from gambling, in fact, it’s boring to me. Caffeine is a drug, sugar is addictive and gives you a rush. Do you see why I asked why some protestants classify alcohol in a special category of vice?

You are aware that some protestant sects ban certain kinds of music for the same reasons you mentioned - but you would find that odd. Science has determined that the method and rhythms of music, pitch of speech, and other methods can be manipulated to alter mood and produce a similar high as drugs.
 
SyroMalankara said:
I don’t get any high from gambling, in fact, it’s boring to me. Caffeine is a drug, sugar is addictive and gives you a rush. Do you see why I asked why some protestants classify alcohol in a special category of vice?
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Sure I do are you saying that Catholic Churches in Colorado should sell marijuana? Its for a good cause after all.
 
4Squarebaby said:
Sure I do are you saying that Catholic Churches in Colorado should sell marijuana? Its for a good cause after all.
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I personally don’t classify marijuana as a special kind of vice. But it is illegal federally, so no the church should not.
 
4Squarebaby said:
So in a hypothetical Libertarian utopia heroin would be okay?
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No because as far as I am aware heroin directly kills and harms, and has never been an accepted practice, nor used in a non-harmful way. Neither music, coffee, beer, wine, etc are as that.
 
zaffiroborant said:
So then you believe Christ made a drug at the wedding?
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Yes, but did he go into the business? No. consider it like putting rules on slavery because people are people and pure water giving the technology of the time was dangerous.
 
4Squarebaby said:
Yes, but did he go into the business? No. consider it like putting rules on slavery because people are people and pure water giving the technology of the time was dangerous.
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The Church isn’t in the wine, beer, music, coffee, etc business - her business is saving souls. The mentioned are acceptable human pleasures when used properly
 
4Squarebaby said:
Yes, but did he go into the business? No. consider it like putting rules on slavery because people are people and pure water giving the technology of the time was dangerous.
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Christ contributed wine to the wedding celebration, He could have just as easily created safe drinking water for the guests.
 
zaffiroborant said:
Christ contributed wine to the wedding celebration, He could have just as easily created safe drinking water for the guests.
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According to some, Christ should have blessed the Chalice filled with water and said “this is…” Would have prevented scandal, lest anyone think alcohol is ok, even a minimal amount.
 
SyroMalankara said:
According to some, Christ should have blessed the Chalice filled with water and said “this is…” Would have prevented scandal, lest anyone think alcohol is ok, even a minimal amount.
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And that Christ was a pusher of drugs.:eek:
 
When I was young (like 10 years old) and pentecostal the pastor preached alcohol is a sin. My mom, whom is still pentecostal says that is hogwash. That same pastor invited us for dinner and my mom brought over a bottle of rum and he happily drank away. That happened with other pastors who said no alcohol as as well.

What I was taught that if you can limit yourself when drinking then that’s not a sin, in fact, I believe temperance is one of he heavenly virtues/fruits of the spirit. I mean if you want to totally abstain from alcohol that is totally your personal choice. But if you can drink and not drink yourself to death then that is also showing self control.
 
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