Protestants and annulments

[Fauken]

What are the odds of a petitioner getting one?

How many marriage annulment requests does the Church deny? I doubt many.

What are the odds of someone being found guilty of shop lifting?

 

[JoeShlabotnik]

What does shoplifting have to do with marriage and marriage annulment? Or is this just a random troll?

 

[1ke]

It can deny approval. Instead of turning the other way

I am not sure what you mean by this?

 

[Fauken]

What does shoplifting have to do with marriage and marriage annulment? Or is this just a random troll?

I’m not a troll. My point is that asking about the odds of someone getting a decree of annulment is the same as asking the odds of someone being found guilty of shop lifting: legal cases are not dice games.

 

[Ammi]

We are obligated to seek permission to divorce.

The Church should be used to assist spouses in crisis. Approval to file, or encourage not to.

 

[JoeShlabotnik]

What are the odds of your replying to this post?

 

[Fauken]

What are the odds of your replying to this post?

I’d ask @discobot.

 

[discobot]

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[JulianN]

I couldn’t say. I know that a number of cases never even make it to the Tribunal because the procurator/advocate at the parish finds they don’t have enough evidence or witnesses to present a case.

Also, only a small fraction of divorced persons even consider applying for a decree of nullity.

 

[Ammi]

All we can know, is how many petition and how many are granted. Those are actual numbers.

You act like the screening process is enforced or practiced. It’s definitely not.

 

[JulianN]

All we can know, is how many petition and how many are granted. Those are actual numbers.

Yes, but that doesn’t correlate to some kind of ‘ease’ in getting a decree. It also signifies that parish procurator/advocates are successfully weeding out unsuccessful cases earlier.

 

[JulianN]

You act like the screening process is enforced or practiced. It’s definitely not.

And you are basing this on? Because in my experience, it is.

 

[1ke]

You act like the screening process is enforced or practiced. It’s definitely not.

And your proof of this is?

 

[Ammi]

Do you see ecclesiastical approval on alot of divorces?

 

[JulianN]

Do you see ecclesiastical approval on alot of divorces?

We were talking about the ease of getting a decree of nullity. Which has nothing to do with ecclesiastical approval of civil divorce. And as has been explained in another thread, the process you envision is not within the ability of the current chancery system in most dioceses.

You may want to read this: http://www.canonlaw.info/PDF-Divorce.pdf

Ed Peters is a well-respected canon lawyer with years of study and experience in this area.

 

[Phemie]

I’ve never known anyone who sought permission from the Church to get a divorce. It wouldn’t even occur to me to doso.

 

[JulianN]

I’ve never known anyone who sought permission from the Church to get a divorce. It wouldn’t even occur to me to doso.

Because it’s not available in most dioceses.

 

[Ammi]

It should be in the ability, if the tribunal would focus on pre-divorce efforts.

Like I said, if the tribunal is so expert at judging marriages, then it should be equally expert at guiding spouses towards resources and healthy counseling, which can serve as a network and even to assess the morality of filing civil divorce.

It would make the investigation of nullity much easier too.

 

[Ammi]

That is a decision the Church is making.

 

[Ammi]

I’ve never known anyone who sought permission from the Church to get a divorce. It wouldn’t even occur to me to doso.

Why wouldnt we work with our pastors in such an important matter???

Ironically, the most common advice at CAF, is to talk with your pastor about questions. And divorce should be at the top of the list of questions brought to pastors.