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vsedriver
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a marriage can not be dissolved. What a tribunal does is determine if there was a marriage to begin with. Either there was a valid marriage or there was no marriage at all. Hence it is null (void) didn’t exist.
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whatistrue
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No. Validity is whether the marriage actually existed from the beginning or not. A Decree of Nullity does not dissolve the marriage, it is a finding that the marriage never took place.I mean determining validity is the means to recognize whether the marriage is binding or not.
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1ke
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That isn’t strictly true.a marriage can not be dissolved.
An valid, unconsummated marriage between the baptized can be dissolved by the Pope.
A valid marriage between two unbaptized people can be dissolved via the Pauline Privilege.
A valid natural marriage can be dissolved via the Petrine Privilege.
A valid, consummated marriage that is also a sacrament (between the baptized) can be dissolved only by death of a spouse.
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vsedriver
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so you agree that if one party is forced into the marriage then there is no marriage to begin with.It’s not what I think. It’s what is written.
What God joins together, let no man put asunder.
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Ammi
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The point, is to determine whether its binding or not. Validity is the means. Validity being assumed, and impediments being scrutinized, and interpretations of what constitutes an impediment varying from judge to judge.
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whatistrue
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No. If it is valid, it is binding. If it is not valid, it never actually existed.determine whether its binding or not. Validity
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Ammi
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That’s not what 1ke just related.
Validity and status of Baptism determines binding or not. And consummation
Validity and status of Baptism determines binding or not. And consummation
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whatistrue
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I would accept the statements of 1ke on this matter, but I don’t think you are interpreting it correctly. If we are talking about the same post, the word “binding” was not used. What was mentioned were primarily certain very narrow and relatively rare exceptions to the normal statement that a valid marriage cannot be dissolved. What I am talking about is when a marriage is not valid. It has nothing to do with whether it is binding and the process does not dissolve it. Let me illustrate with a hypothetical:
A couple, both fully initiated Catholics, both of age, neither previously married, and not closely related, come before a priest to request the Sacrament of Matrimony. After appropriate pre-Cana education and counseling, the wedding is scheduled and takes place in front of some 80 witnesses in addition to the priest and the official 2 witnesses for the Church. However, it turns out that the groom is a functional alcoholic and was severely inebriated during the entire ceremony, even though he appeared to be normal at the time. The marriage never actually took place because the consent of the groom was defective as he was not mentally able to consent at the time, and that is the sort of thing that a Tribunal in a Nullity case looks for.
A couple, both fully initiated Catholics, both of age, neither previously married, and not closely related, come before a priest to request the Sacrament of Matrimony. After appropriate pre-Cana education and counseling, the wedding is scheduled and takes place in front of some 80 witnesses in addition to the priest and the official 2 witnesses for the Church. However, it turns out that the groom is a functional alcoholic and was severely inebriated during the entire ceremony, even though he appeared to be normal at the time. The marriage never actually took place because the consent of the groom was defective as he was not mentally able to consent at the time, and that is the sort of thing that a Tribunal in a Nullity case looks for.
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JoeShlabotnik
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We make it easy for people to gain a divorce and an annulment. What is the incentive for these people to reconcile their differences and make a marriage work?
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Ammi
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Best post so farWe make it easy for people to gain a divorce and an annulment. What is the incentive for these people to reconcile their differences and make a marriage work?
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1ke
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The state makes it easy to obtain a divorce, on the US where no fault divorce has become the law of the states. It is not easy to obtain a divorce everywhere world wide, and remember the Church is universal.We make it easy for people to gain a divorce
I’m not sure who “we” is, because the Church makes it neither easy nor hard, but rather makes it uniform through canon law which places the same requirements of grounds and proofs on everyone, world wide.and an annulment.
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JoeShlabotnik
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How many marriage annulment requests does the Church deny? I doubt many.
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Ammi
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The safeguard against unlawful filing of civil divorce is seriously neglected
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1ke
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The Church cannot stop someone from filing for divorce.The safeguard against unlawful filing of civil divorce is seriously neglected
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Ammi
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Right. It can deny approval. Instead of turning the other way
Or approve when justified
Or approve when justified
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JulianN
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If you’ve been through either, I don’t think you’d describe the experience as “easy.”We make it easy for people to gain a divorce and an annulment. What is the incentive for these people to reconcile their differences and make a marriage work?
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Ammi
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Unpleasant for some. But easy to get
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JulianN
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Decrees of nullity are not “easy to get.”
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Ammi
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What are the odds of a petitioner getting one?
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JoeShlabotnik
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I pray that no one ever has to go through either. Breaking up is never easy.
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