Protestants and Mary

[elvisman]

You think quite higly of you abilities to debun, don’t you?​

Pride is a sin, you know? I know because I can tend to stumble because of it myself.

I don’t think highly of any of my abilities and am not prideful about anything.
I do think rather highly of the truths of the Catholic Church, though.
That’s where I get my answers - not from my own head - but from the Body of Christ that is led by the Holy Spirit.

 

[elvisman]

For the most part, I tend to agree with you. I’m not sure it’s cut and dry, though.​

Where I have a problem with you is your personal attack. Be careful, how you judge others will come back on you, especially if you do similar things.

Personal attacks?

I am correcting the statements of a person who has chosen to “twist the Scriptures to his own destruction” (2 Peter 3:16) and admonishing them to seek the truth - instead of a distorted fabrication.
I would be lacking in charity if I didn’t point that out.

 

[Pro_Domina]

Mary was a special woman. We can learn a lot from her if we pay attention to what she said and how she responded to the situations in her life. Outside Jesus, I think she is one of those we should look to as an example of how to respond when life throws us ‘curves’.​

However, she was chosen out from among all of us. She was not better than we are. She was a sinner.​

Have you ever looked at the Scriptures telling us how Jesus interacted with Mary? At least twice her, speaking to her, called her woman not mother (or mom). Once when He was brought news that His mothers and brothers had come to see Him, He responded saying, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”​

Maybe Jesus knew that people would one day misunderstand Mary’s role and make her out to be a person not intended by God. My guess is that Mary, if she’s paying attention to us from Heaven, cringes when she is exalted by us. I’ll bet she says, “NO, DON"T look to me, look to my Son. I’m just like you; I’ve needed saving and my Son saved me for all that calls upon the Name of the Lord will be saved. I called upon Him. Will you?”

For starters, “woman” was a respectful way of refering to her.
Then, what you take as slap in face is a praise of Mary. Because she was not only His physical mother, but she did indeed follow the word of God, more than anybody, so she was exalted there.

But what I find absurd is that how can protestants believe that the Eternal Word made flesh could possibly be born out of someone who was a sinner? That would mean He too was stained with sin. But no. He chose her to be the immaculate ark of the new covenant. But you say how, Our Lord had not yet redeemed mankind?

But for God, there is no time. He saw everything in one instant since all eternity.
So he applies the merits of Christ to her beforehand, so she may be at the the instance of her creation already be immaculate.

 

[elvisman]

Does the truth shared with you which you reject hurtful? That may be why you’re often on the attack. You and I have something in common, IMO, logs in our eyes.

Again - these are not my opinions or the opinions of a belief system that has only existed for 500 years or so.

These are the teachings of the Catholic Church, which was established by Christ - who IS Truth itself - 2000 years ago. It was not established by prideful, rebellious men as every Protestant splinter group was.

It is the very same Church that Paul referred to as "the pillar and foundation of truth."

 

[lil_flower_luv]

Larger font doesn’t make something true that is not true or false if it is true.

Yes, but IMO, larger fonts and repetition having to do with good 'ole Truth can get through sooner rather than later…

Peter was corrected by Paul. All of us fail. There is not one or group that understands perfectly. If, and quite possibly, true that the church made up of mere mortals is not perfect, It is dangerous to make a false statement of the magnitude that the church is infalible in it’s teachings and understanding of the Bible.

Putting the Catholic Church aside for the moment, what does that tell you about *your *beliefs? Since, after all, the protestant revolt caused many people to fall away from the Church?

BTW, how long did it take for God to create The universe, solar system and the earth with all its inhabitants?

We may never know. In God’s time, it really doesn’t matter 'cause we will never be God. But in our time it could have taken seven days to seven thousand years. But that’s just common sense. We get what God gives us. Use the resources He has given you! Look further…for Truth.

 

[aithorette]

I became a Catholic at Easter this year. One of the things that I love about the RCC is their high esteem for Mary. As a lifelong Protestant, it is refreshing to be able to hold the Mother of God in such high regard.

Julie

 

[lil_flower_luv]

I became a Catholic at Easter this year. One of the things that I love about the RCC is their high esteem for Mary. As a lifelong Protestant, it is refreshing to be able to hold the Mother of God in such high regard.

Julie

:clapping::yup: Thank you!!
And to be able to call her our Mother? An honor.

 

[Dokimas]

Yes, but IMO, larger fonts and repetition having to do with good 'ole Truth can get through sooner rather than later.

Are you saying some of us here would do better with bigger font?

Putting the Catholic Church aside for the moment, what does that tell you about *your *beliefs? Since, after all, the protestant revolt caused many people to fall away from the Church?

Paul rebuking Peter tells me no earthly leader is infalible and if Peter is the first head of the church, then the church is falible. Jesus the Christ is the only infalible.​

Falling away from a church is one thing and falling away from the Lord Jesus Christ is quite another thing. Maybe those that fell away from ‘the church’ made the way for them to draw closer to the Lord Jesus.

We may never know. In God’s time, it really doesn’t matter 'cause we will never be God. But in our time it could have taken seven days to seven thousand years. But that’s just common sense. We get what God gives us. Use the resources He has given you! Look further…for Truth.

The RCC believes in millions and billions of years, doen’t it? The Bible seems quite clear.

 

[CWBetts]

Are you saying some of us here would do better with bigger font?

Paul rebuking Peter tells me no earthly leader is infalible and if Peter is the first head of the church, then the church is falible. Jesus the Christ is the only infalible.​

Falling away from a church is one thing and falling away from the Lord Jesus Christ is quite another thing. Maybe those that fell away from ‘the church’ made the way for them to draw closer to the Lord Jesus.
The RCC believes in millions and billions of years, doen’t it? The Bible seems quite clear.

If the Church is not infallible, then it logically follows that we cannot absolutely know the Truth, yet the Scriptures say that the Holy Spirit will guide us to all Truth. So either the Church is infallible, or we have no hope.

 

[fbl9]

Paul rebuking Peter tells me no earthly leader is infalible and if Peter is the first head of the church, then the church is falible. Jesus the Christ is the only infalible.​

Falling away from a church is one thing and falling away from the Lord Jesus Christ is quite another thing. Maybe those that fell away from ‘the church’ made the way for them to draw closer to the Lord Jesus.
The RCC believes in millions and billions of years, doen’t it? The Bible seems quite clear.

St.Paul’s rebuke of St.Peter had nothing to do with teaching a doctrine rather it was St.Peter’s behavior that was being rebuked…and the bible tis quite clear on that matter.

Then just how can you be so sure what you are bing taught is the absolute truth,if your church can’t tell you for sure this or that is true,one is just picking and choosing what to believe…if i were able to leave the Church i sure would be joining up with those that don’t do any good works and can sin all then want without losing salvation,

not one single catholic is dis-allowed to believe that creation took seven days,there is no set doctrine regarding this matter,the main point of the creation as recorded is to show that God is the creator of all.

 

[Dokimas]

St.Paul’s rebuke of St.Peter had nothing to do with teaching a doctrine rather it was St.Peter’s behavior that was being rebuked…and the bible tis quite clear on that matter.

Then just how can you be so sure what you are bing taught is the absolute truth,if your church can’t tell you for sure this or that is true,one is just picking and choosing what to believe…if i were able to leave the Church i sure would be joining up with those that don’t do any good works and can sin all then want without losing salvation,

not one single catholic is dis-allowed to believe that creation took seven days,there is no set doctrine regarding this matter,the main point of the creation as recorded is to show that God is the creator of all.

It was for Peter’s lack of correct teaching, if I’m not mistaken.​

I like the way the Bereans did it; they heard gladly and then they check out for themselves. IMO, to blindly believe a church or a preacher is potentially dangerous, especially when no challenge can be made, like for the RCC.​

So the RCC doesn’t know what the Bible teaches on the subject of Creation?

 

[CWBetts]

It was for Peter’s lack of correct teaching, if I’m not mistaken.​

I like the way the Bereans did it; they heard gladly and then they check out for themselves. IMO, to blindly believe a church or a preacher is potentially dangerous, especially when no challenge can be made, like for the RCC.​

So the RCC doesn’t know what the Bible teaches on the subject of Creation?

The Church knows, and it also knows that the Bible is not a science text. Looking for scientific answers in the Bible is like going to a mechanic to fix your broken leg! The point of the Creation account is that humans are the Creation of God, and that Adam and Eve were the first family, and it was through them that sin entered into the world. The Creation account tells nothing of “how” God created, just that he created. The how is open to speculation, and when it comes down to it, irrelevant.

 

[lil_flower_luv]

Are you saying some of us here would do better with bigger font?

Maybe not you, but…

Paul rebuking Peter tells me no earthly leader is infalible and if Peter is the first head of the church, then the church is falible. Jesus the Christ is the only infalible.

Who started the Church? Jesus Christ.

Falling away from a church is one thing and falling away from the Lord Jesus Christ is quite another thing. Maybe those that fell away from ‘the church’ made the way for them to draw closer to the Lord Jesus.

I’m afraid you cannot draw yourself closer to Him if you have left His Church. Only stray away. Yes, I’m sure your beliefs can still bring you to Him, but I know that if He is calling you to draw yourself even closer to Him…then do it. However, if you are satisfied where you are, that is fine.

The RCC believes in millions and billions of years, doen’t it? The Bible seems quite clear.

Who cares how clear it is!? Honestly, I don’t. I leave all that up to God. When He made it, He made it.

Blessings,
Therese

 

[Justy90]

QUOTE=elvisman;5733314]I don’t think highly of any of my abilities and am not prideful about anything.
I do think rather highly of the truths of the Catholic Church, though.
That’s where I get my answers - not from my own head - but from the Body of Christ that is led by the Holy Spirit.

:stretcher::choocho:: I’ve heard it all now.

 

[CWBetts]

QUOTE=elvisman;5733314]I don’t think highly of any of my abilities and am not prideful about anything.
I do think rather highly of the truths of the Catholic Church, though.
That’s where I get my answers - not from my own head - but from the Body of Christ that is led by the Holy Spirit.

:stretcher::choocho:: I’ve heard it all now.
Its amazing you accuse one who submits himself to the Church of pride, but you, yourself think you know better then 2000 years of magesterial teaching. It just doesn’t make sense.

 

[Radical]

Its amazing you accuse one who submits himself to the Church of pride, but you, yourself think you know better then 2000 years of magesterial teaching. It just doesn’t make sense.

See Justy90, you ain’t heard it all…'cuz it just don’t ever stop.

 

[CWBetts]

See Justy90, you ain’t heard it all…'cuz it just don’t ever stop.

Again, I say where is pride to be found? In submission or rebellion?

 

[Justy90]

Again, I say where is pride to be found? In submission or rebellion?

In arrogance and denial.

 

[Justy90]

:stretcher::choocho:: I’ve heard it all now.

Its amazing you accuse one who submits himself to the Church of pride, but you, yourself think you know better then 2000 years of magesterial teaching. It just doesn’t make sense.

What you just said doesn’t make sense.

 

[CWBetts]

Its amazing you accuse one who submits himself to the Church of pride, but you, yourself think you know better then 2000 years of magesterial teaching. It just doesn’t make sense.

What you just said doesn’t make sense.

You are saying that you know better than the Church. That is pretty much pride by definition, whereas Catholics submit to the authority of those who are more learned than they (the magesterium). Do you understand now, or do you need a picture?