Protestants and Mary

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Dokimas said:
I don’t know what your referring to when you say protestant teaching. I have studied what the Bible says about Mary and the CC is incorrect.
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God’s Blessing upon all His children,

Forgive me, but I need to ask by what authority do you declare that the CC is incorrect on this issue? Am I to believe that you have more knowledge than the HS which guides the CC?
 
prochrist1 said:
I see mary as a very inspiring woman, the first person really to accept the word of God and accept Jesus, however for me to worship her as a Saint I cannot its not founded in the Bible its a fabrication of the RCC
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:ouch:Elvisman is right…do your homework.

Food for thought: if you accept the word of God and accept Jesus, how can you not be a saint?
 
The Catholic Church has elevated Mary to the level of mediator, advocate and co-redeemer of man in clear and direct contradiction of the Scriptures. In 1854, Pope Pius IX declared Mary ‘immaculate’, and in 1951, Pope Pius XII defined and enforced the doctrine of the Bodily Assumption of Mary, thus placing Mary in a position to act as mediator and supporting the long list of claims made by Catholic saints over time.

sorry try again… show me in the bible where it “clearly” says that mary is a saint, and where it clearly states that we should pray to saints ?

there is only one true mediator in Jesus no one else
 
prochrist1 said:
The Catholic Church has elevated Mary to the level of mediator, advocate and co-redeemer of man in clear and direct contradiction of the Scriptures. In 1854, Pope Pius IX declared Mary ‘immaculate’, and in 1951, Pope Pius XII defined and enforced the doctrine of the Bodily Assumption of Mary, thus placing Mary in a position to act as mediator and supporting the long list of claims made by Catholic saints over time.
there is only one true mediator in Jesus no one else
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Correction: she is mediatrix. And Jesus is our mediator with the Father.

I could correct all of your mistakes, but, sadly, I just don’t have the patience tonight. (I’m praying to the Holy Spirit for that :o)
show me in the bible where it “clearly” says that mary is a saint
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P.S. Only Saints are in Heaven and Mary is in Heaven…unless you believe she is somewhere else…?
 
elvisman said:
Uhhh . . . no, you’re* wrong*.
The very charge that we worship her is a fabrication of Anti-Cathollic Protestants.

Do your homework before making ridiculous accusations like this.
Latria is reserved for God alone.
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So when you bow down to a statue of the virgin mary, you are not really bowing down to her personally right? funny thing pagans do the same, lets see what else? oh yeah the halo on your so called saints wonder how many pagan traditions used this as well? lets see what about the holy water? another pagan ritual acquired by the rcc
 
prochrist1 said:
So when you bow down to a statue of the virgin mary, you are not really bowing down to her personally right? funny thing pagans do the same, lets see what else? oh yeah the halo on your so called saints wonder how many pagan traditions used this as well? lets see what about the holy water? another pagan ritual acquired by the rcc
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The difference between our veneration of Mary and the pagans you mention, is that we use statues, icons, holy cards, etc as a reminder of the person’s saintly life. It is not imbues with any special power contain the life essence or whatever as pagan talismans do. It is like having a picture of family, or a memento given by a loved one. Worship is more than mere words. Worship implies sacrifice. The only being we sacrifice to is God. I would suggest in the future, find out what we actually believe, instead of telling us what we believe. Furthermore, cite your posts. Tell us where you have all this information about the origins of Catholic beliefs, preferably from a realiable source. Your rantings do not strehgthen your position.
 
CWBetts said:
I would suggest in the future, find out what we actually believe, instead of telling us what we believe. Furthermore, cite your posts. Tell us where you have all this information about the origins of Catholic beliefs, preferably from a realiable source. Your rantings do not strehgthen your position.
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My thoughts exactly, Carl!
 
Did not Mary worship God when Gabriel foretold her giving birth to Jesus by exalting in God her savior? If she was sinless, what was the point of saying “savior”?
 
She was saved preemptively. It was only through God’s direct intervention that she was immaculately conceived. She was sinless, not through her own efforts, but through the graces bestowed upon her by God.
 
Did not the Catholic church “increase” the titles of mary thought history ?
 
why the need to increase her title ? and who is in charge of changing peoples titles

also where in the bible does it teach that mary who supposedly body was sent to heaven? if you can please point it as I’d like to know because maybe my entire believe in mary has been wrong all along

as well I have heard that mary is a co-medatrix with Jesus ? I have never heard this in my chruch as well perhaps you can explain this also

again I’m trying to learn both sides of the enlargement that is all as I’m opened to all faiths
thanks!
 
prochrist1 said:
why the need to increase her title ? and who is in charge of changing peoples titles

also where in the bible does it teach that mary who supposedly body was sent to heaven? if you can please point it as I’d like to know because maybe my entire believe in mary has been wrong all along

as well I have heard that mary is a co-medatrix with Jesus ? I have never heard this in my chruch as well perhaps you can explain this also

again I’m trying to learn both sides of the enlargement that is all as I’m opened to all faiths
thanks!
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The first thing to remember is that the Bible is not our sole rule of faith. In fact nowhere in the Bible, does the Bible claim itself as an authority! Without the Church, there wouldn’t even be a Bible, and the Scriptures weren’t brought together as such until late in the 4th century. The bible does, however, name the Church as an authority. The assumption of Mary was passed on through oral tradition. Mary as co-redemptrix does not elevate Mary to the same status as God. The sacrifice on Calvary is sufficient, but Mary did participate by way of cooperation with God. The Blessed Mother’s suffering was unimaginable emotional grief. She was at the foot of the Cross. She witnessed His death. She knew he was the Son of God, the Lamb without spot. And it was her only son. Do you think that she did not suffer?
 
prochrist1 said:
So when you bow down to a statue of the virgin mary, you are not really bowing down to her personally right? funny thing pagans do the same, lets see what else? oh yeah the halo on your so called saints wonder how many pagan traditions used this as well? lets see what about the holy water? another pagan ritual acquired by the rcc
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WRONG again.
Boy, you anti-Catholic never do your homework before spewing your ignorance.

Holy water - symbolizes our Baptism in Jesus Christ. Uhhhh . . . HE and his Apostles also used water for Baptism. Wanna call Jesus a pagan?

Halos were used in ART over the centuries by Christian painters and sculptors to illustrate the light of God that surrounds those in heaven. This was not something that the Church told the artists to do.

Bowing before statues is NOT something that the Church requires people to do. They do it because they are paying respect to their mother - not worship. they realize that it is only a symbol of her.

It is exactly the same thing when a wife kisses a picture of her husband who went off to war - or a mother kissing the picture of her child. They’re not worshipping either - they’re expressing love.
Boy - I shudder to think of the lack of loving expression in your family.

Your ignorant rants are getting really embarassing. :rolleyes:
 
prochrist1 said:
why the need to increase her title ? and who is in charge of changing peoples titles
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The Catholic Church - READ your Bible: Matt. 18:15-18, John 16:12-15
prochrist1 said:
also where in the bible does it teach that mary who supposedly body was sent to heaven? if you can please point it as I’d like to know because maybe my entire believe in mary has been wrong all along
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Again - READ your Bible: Rev. 12:1-5
While we’re at it - show ME where the Bible says that the Bible alone is our sole rule of faith and authority.
PLEASE show me.
prochrist1 said:
as well I have heard that mary is a co-medatrix with Jesus ? I have never heard this in my chruch as well perhaps you can explain this also
again I’m trying to learn both sides of the enlargement that is all as I’m opened to all faiths
thanks!
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Mediatrix of all Graces (not Co-Mediatrix) in that she gave birth to Jesus - who IS grace itself. It was through her mediation that he came into this world.
From Lumen Gentium:
"in suffering with Him as He died on the cross, she cooperated in the work of the Savior, in an altogether singular way, by obedience, faith, hope, and burning love, to restore supernatural life to souls. As a result she is our Mother in the order of grace."
 
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