Protestants and Mary

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Did not Mary worship God when Gabriel foretold her giving birth to Jesus by exalting in God her savior? If she was sinless, what was the point of saying “savior”?
Everybody needs a Savior - EVERYBODY - and Mary was no different.
**BUT - she was saved before she came into the world, whereas, we are saved AFTER.
**Being the fulfillment of the Ark of the Covenant, Mary had to be as pure and blessed and untouchable as the Ark itself - even MORE SO.

ALL New Testament fulfillments are more glorious and more special that the Old Testament types. ALWAYS - without exception.
 
I don’t know what your referring to when you say protestant teaching. I have studied what the Bible says about Mary and the CC is incorrect.
The Holy Catholic Church’s teaching on the Virgin Mary is correct and not against Holy scripture.
Your protestant teaching is incorrect. Who are you to interpet Sacred Holy Scripture? David Koresh thought he could interpet Scripture too.
 
the doctrine of the Bodily Assumption of Mary, thus placing Mary in a position to act as mediator and supporting the long list of claims made by Catholic saints over time.
Sorry, show me in Holy Scripture where it says the Virgin is dead in the ground.
Show me in Holy Scripture where is states that Fr. Martin Luther, and Clavin and you are authorities and teacher of the Holy Christian Faith.
 
So when you bow down to a statue of the virgin mary, you are not really bowing down to her personally right? funny thing pagans do the same, lets see what else? oh yeah the halo on your so called saints wonder how many pagan traditions used this as well? lets see what about the holy water? another pagan ritual acquired by the rcc
Your idea of the Bible alone is an example of man made theology.
 
Sorry, show me in Holy Scripture where it says the Virgin is dead in the ground.
Show me in Holy Scripture where is states that Fr. Martin Luther, and Clavin and you are authorities and teachers of the Holy Christian Faith.
 
lets see what about the holy water? another pagan ritual acquired by the rcc
Jewish not pagan. Read the Holy Bible.
Leviticus 14: 51 He shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living sparrow, and shall dip all in the blood of the sparrow that is immolated, and in the living water, and he shall sprinkle the house seven times:
Numbers 19: 12 Shall be sprinkled with this water on the third day, and on the seventh, and so shall be cleansed. If he were not sprinkled on the third day, he cannot be cleansed on the seventh.
Numbers 8: 7 According to this rite: Let them be sprinkled with the water of purification
 
there is only one true mediator in Jesus no one else
Oh REALLY?
**Have you ever prayed for anybody? Have you ever been asked to pray for anybody? **Guess what? YOU are interceding for them before God.

Jesus IS the only mediator, in that, only his sacrifice can save us.

**BUT - don’t think for a minute that we aren’t supposed to interced for one another. We are all called upon to be intercessors (James 5:16, 1 John 5:16). **

A** common charge against praying to the saints for intercession is that they are dead and cannot hear us. This is a denial of 1 Cor. 12:12-27, which tells us that we are all parts of the Body of Christ. In Mark 12:28 and Luke 20:38, Jesus tells his critics that "God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” In God – ALL are alive.**

In Hebrews 12:1, St. Paul tells us that “we are surrounded by so a great cloud of witnesses.” Witnesses see and hear things - they are NOT dead.
The Transfiguration of Jesus is proof that the “dead” are indeed alive (Matthew 17:1-9, Mark 9:2-8, Luke 9:28-36).

So - tell me exactly what your problem with this is.
 
I can only speak for myself; I don’t charge.
BTW, the current stipend in the US is $5.00 for a special mass (you are under no obligation to contribute). Considering that most parish priests make around $25,000/year I would not begrudge them such a pittance. Contrast that with the money that most Protestant ministers make (often six figures w/house/cars/insurance/etc.) and then tell me there’s a problem. Additionally, some religious in the Catholic Church take vows of poverty and make nothing – let me say it again – NOTHING! Now you tell me who is doing the work of Christ! :mad:
 
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also where in the bible does it teach that mary who supposedly body was sent to heaven?
Catholics do not hold to the man-made doctrine of Sola Scripture. Sacrad Tradition is where this comes from.
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as well I have heard that mary is a co-medatrix with Jesus ? I have never heard this in my chruch as well perhaps you can explain this also
Co- as in co-redemptress or co-pilot does not mean equal to.
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again I’m trying to learn both sides of the enlargement that is all as I’m opened to all faiths
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So when you bow down to a statue of the virgin mary, you are not really bowing down to her personally right? funny thing pagans do the same, lets see what else? oh yeah the halo on your so called saints wonder how many pagan traditions used this as well? lets see what about the holy water? another pagan ritual acquired by the rcc
protestant worship service man made worship, and not scriptural. protestant religion man made founded by Luther, Clavin, Zwingli,etc, etc, etc, Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ.
 
The Holy Catholic Church’s teaching on the Virgin Mary is correct and not against Holy scripture.
Your protestant teaching is incorrect. Who are you to interpet Sacred Holy Scripture? David Koresh thought he could interpet Scripture too.

As I’ve said, I don’t have protestant teaching, I have looked at the Bible and see things quite differently than you.​

Do you think David K. had the Holy Spirit?​

What does this mean?
1John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
 
The first thing to remember is that the Bible is not our sole rule of faith. In fact nowhere in the Bible, does the Bible claim itself as an authority! Without the Church, there wouldn’t even be a Bible, and the Scriptures weren’t brought together as such until late in the 4th century. The bible does, however, name the Church as an authority. The assumption of Mary was passed on through oral tradition. Mary as co-redemptrix does not elevate Mary to the same status as God. The sacrifice on Calvary is sufficient, but Mary did participate by way of cooperation with God. The Blessed Mother’s suffering was unimaginable emotional grief. She was at the foot of the Cross. She witnessed His death. She knew he was the Son of God, the Lamb without spot. And it was her only son. Do you think that she did not suffer?
whoa there hold on… like I said I’m here to try to learn not judge or preach whatever

thanks all for the replies but I have a few issues that I cannot grasp
first of all the word of god the bible is gods word what god has taught and from what I can tell in (Psalm 119:160) other examples (John 10:35)

my other concern is with Revelation 22:18-19 here God has revealed to us that we cannot add nor take away stuff from the bible - this brings me to the main topic in hand, it was not hard to search who was considered the first emperor of rome and was supposedly the first pope/roman emperor, constantine was his name I believe anyway there’s tons of literature on this guy that suggest he was a pagan/slash christian, could it be I m just suggesting here that its possible that the interpretations of the bible where being altered or somehow being twisted to meet certain criteria that rome was looking for at that time
 
What does this mean?
1John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
Acts 8: 26-31 “And behold a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch, of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians, who had charge over all her treasures, had come to Jerusalem to adore. And he was returning, sitting in his chariot, and reading Isaias the prophet. And the Spirit said to Philip: Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip running thither, heard him reading the prophet Isaias. **And he said: Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest? ** Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.”
 
Jewish not pagan. Read the Holy Bible.
Leviticus 14: 51 He shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living sparrow, and shall dip all in the blood of the sparrow that is immolated, and in the living water, and he shall sprinkle the house seven times:
Numbers 19: 12 Shall be sprinkled with this water on the third day, and on the seventh, and so shall be cleansed. If he were not sprinkled on the third day, he cannot be cleansed on the seventh.
Numbers 8: 7 According to this rite: Let them be sprinkled with the water of purification
Ok so if you wana go way back, then you might as well follow the 613 torah laws?
 
Ok so if you wana go way back, then you might as well follow the 613 torah laws?
Sword Brethren was just pointing out to you that holy water is NOT of pagan origin.
Just admit it when you’re wrong and move on.

NOW - how about answering MY posts?
 
whoa there hold on… like I said I’m here to try to learn not judge or preach whatever

thanks all for the replies but I have a few issues that I cannot grasp
first of all **the word of god the bible is gods word what god **has taught and from what I can tell in (Psalm 119:160) other examples (John 10:35)
First off - please try to be a little more respectful in your typing etiquette. “God” and words describing Him should definitely be capitalized out reverence for Him. 👍
my other concern is with Revelation…
Speaking of Revelation…(I don’t mean to make you lose your topic) but I wondered if you could tell me what these passages mean to you: Revelation 12:1:And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;

Revelation 12:17:Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.
 
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