Protestants and mortal sin

[ComplineSanFran]

Are you saying that your faith tradition doesn’t teach morals?

Perhaps you are asking what we hear from the pulpit on morals. If you were Episcopalian, you know that as well as I do. We DON’T teach unilateral morals; that is where RCCs and Anglicans are different, as are Orthodox Christians and Reformed Christians, as are LDS, as are non-denominational Christians.

 

[Graceful_Lamb]

Perhaps you are asking what we hear from the pulpit on morals. If you were Episcopalian, you know that as well as I do. We DON’T teach unilateral morals; that is where RCCs and Anglicans are different, as are Orthodox Christians and Reformed Christians, as are LDS, as are non-denominational Christians.

I was Episcopalian, but I grew away from the church over time before I became Catholic.

At this point, I will agree to disagree. Have a nice day.

 

[clem456]

I think I am not expressing myself well here. I’m sorry.

‘Faith-and-morals’ as a prominent category of teaching is something that is referred to, almost as one word, consistently in the RCC.

Could you please provide more than a passing personal reference to this?
Something from the teaching of the Church?
Otherwise it is just an assertion about the Catholic Church from an Episcopalian, which is simply an assertion, not a reality.

Other traditions talk of faith all the time, as I said earlier. Morals? Not in the same way, if much at all. And together, as a holistic way of teaching the religious beliefs?
I would say that for you Roman Catholics, it’s yours. Own it. But if you ask non-Catholics what their teachings are on faith-and-morals, you might get some hesitation or odd looks. There isn’t, for the most part, an answer.

In my experience this is not even remotely true.
Most of the Christians I know who are active and practicing have very a very profound sense of morality.

Can you answer the simple question that is asked of you numerous times?

What does the Episcopal Church teach about morality?
We’re not talking about “we agree with this and don’t agree with that”, we’re asking about the principles which ungird your sense of moral decision making.

For instance:
assuming you think it’s important to feed the hungry in your community, what moral principles guide you to do this? What moral principles make it imperative for you to feed the hungry, instead of look the other way?

 

[PJM]

General confession covers many things, and I would imagine that it is up to us a praying Christians, to work with our priest or spiritual director on specific sins that get in the way of our relationship with God. And of course we are able to confess to a priest individually if we need to.

The difference, in my own thoughts, is that in my tradition, there isn’t a ‘you must do this; you mustn’t do that’ kind of teaching. It’s very different. Our sacraments are the same; our liturgies are the same (sometimes you cannot tell if the Eucharist is Roman or Anglican.) Our history is bound together. But there IS a difference in regard to how we teach what you call ‘faith and morals.’

PS. I know of Catholic communities where the priest doesn’t hear private confessions; he will use the General Confession in Mass and give a blanket absolution. If there is an extreme need for personal confession, he makes himself available, but as a rule, no.

So my friend which of these teachings do you NOT agree with and WHY:shrug:

1John.1 Verses 8 to 10 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

1John.5 Verses 16 to 17 "If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

John.20 Verses 20 to 23"On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[PJM]

That proves to be a real difficult thing to discuss.

And WHY is that?

Is not TRUTH singular per defined issue

Easter Blessings

 

[PJM]

I think I am not expressing myself well here. I’m sorry.

‘Faith-and-morals’ as a prominent category of teaching is something that is referred to, almost as one word, consistently in the RCC. Other traditions talk of faith all the time, as I said earlier. Morals? Not in the same way, if much at all. And together, as a holistic way of teaching the religious beliefs? One just doesn’t hear it. Perhaps the Mormons do, but they would call it something different.

I would say that for you Roman Catholics, it’s yours. Own it. But if you ask non-Catholics what their teachings are on faith-and-morals, you might get some hesitation or odd looks. There isn’t, for the most part, an answer.

Google it. It’s all Catholic citations, with the exception of two Islamic links.

While as you say Cf. “We Catholics own” Faith and Morals" [The only 2 possible Infallible topics]; they are ONLY ON LOAN to us from Our God; NOT the property of the RCC:thumbsup:

And We Catholics make nve and willingly; even eagerly SHARE THEM

 

[PJM]

Perhaps you are asking what we hear from the pulpit on morals. If you were Episcopalian, you know that as well as I do. We DON’T teach unilateral morals; that is where RCCs and Anglicans are different, as are Orthodox Christians and Reformed Christians, as are LDS, as are non-denominational Christians.

So a QUUESTION

For Bible Christians

WHERE in the Bible dis God; Yahweh or Jesus even ONE TIME tolerate, permit, allow, overlook, condone, or ignore OTHER Faith beliefs besides the One TRUE set of Faith beliefs that He espoused?

The SAME can be and OUGHT to be asked about Morals.

CAN GOD BE OK WITH EVERYONE DECIDING FOR THEMSELVES WHAT THEIR FAITH BELIEFS OR MORAL BELIEFS WILL BE:shrug:

Pray about it

 

[Lenten_ashes]

So a QUUESTION

For Bible Christians

WHERE in the Bible dis God; Yahweh or Jesus even ONE TIME tolerate, permit, allow, overlook, condone, or ignore OTHER Faith beliefs besides the One TRUE set of Faith beliefs that He espoused?

The SAME can be and OUGHT to be asked about Morals.

CAN GOD BE OK WITH EVERYONE DECIDING FOR THEMSELVES WHAT THEIR FAITH BELIEFS OR MORAL BELIEFS WILL BE:shrug:

Pray about it

GREAT question:thumbsup:

 

[clem456]

And WHY is that?

Is not TRUTH singular per defined issue

Easter Blessings

Why is that with so many denominations?

I suspect it is so because being taking a stand on morality is difficult. It drives people out of your pews, takes money out of the plate, get’s you criticized by the media, ridiculed by the “enlightened”, scoffed at by the pagans and atheists. In short, it gets you crucified.

But this is the way of Christ.
Christ took a committed stand to love the outcasts of his time and speak up for them. The marginalized, the defenseless, those deemed useless and expendable. He defended them against those who merely gave morality and compassion cheap lip service.

He was not a man of compromise in the area of morality.

 

[Lenten_ashes]

Why is that with so many denominations?

I suspect it is so because being taking a stand on morality is difficult. It drives people out of your pews, takes money out of the plate, get’s you criticized by the media, ridiculed by the “enlightened”, scoffed at by the pagans and atheists. In short, it gets you crucified.

But this is the way of Christ.
Christ took a committed stand to love the outcasts of his time and speak up for them. The marginalized, the defenseless, those deemed useless and expendable. He defended them against those who merely gave morality and compassion cheap lip service.

He was not a man of compromise in the area of morality.

I give pastors like John Hagee a lot of credit because he does it on the regular.

But so many of them are preaching cotton candy gospel for all the reasons you mentioned.

 

[QuestLove]

Only Catholics and Jews can make it into heavens according to scripture and the church. Everybody else unfortunately goes into hell no matter how good of a person they were or if they were to young to make their own decisions We are blessed that we were raised Catholic so we can make it to heaven! If you die without being baptized in the Church or in a state of mortal sin you go dircetly to hell. Since missing mass on sunday is a mortal sin the rest of the population is unfortunately left behind. Which is why it is so important for us to convert others.

Peace be with you.

John 3:16

You are so lucky.
Unfortunately, I am one of those (non-catholic and non-jews) bound for hell.

Edit: Just read from the other posts that there may be some hope yet.
Whew. what a relief. I am not doomed afterall.

 

[Reuben_J]

PS. I know of Catholic communities where the priest doesn’t hear private confessions; he will use the General Confession in Mass and give a blanket absolution. If there is an extreme need for personal confession, he makes himself available, but as a rule, no.

Not sure the exact situation that you described but this is very unusual.

Catholic practice is much more in uniformity. They would be more or less doing the same thing. Confession must be available if there is a priest in the parish. Giving general Confession in the mass is not right as a replacement for individual Confession. You have to give specific reason why it happened.

Perhaps you are talking about Penitential service which would be done before Easter or Christmas.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

Not sure the exact situation that you described but this is very unusual.

Catholic practice is much more in uniformity. They would be more or less doing the same thing. Confession must be available if there is a priest in the parish. Giving general Confession in the mass is not right as a replacement for individual Confession. You have to give specific reason why it happened.

Perhaps you are talking about Penitential service which would be done before Easter or Christmas.

The two situations I know personally have to do with a single priest serving too many people. Confessions are by appointment only and as I said it was announced that the general confession in the Liturgy would serve to absolve the penitents.

I understand that is unusual, but it seems to be working for these two communities.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

You are so lucky.
Unfortunately, I am one of those (non-catholic and non-jews) bound for hell.

Edit: Just read from the other posts that there may be some hope yet.
Whew. what a relief. I am not doomed afterall.

I know your relief. Me too. Guess we’ll (hopefully) see C.S. Lewis in heaven after all.

 

[Reuben_J]

The two situations I know personally have to do with a single priest serving too many people. Confessions are by appointment only and as I said it was announced that the general confession in the Liturgy would serve to absolve the penitents.

I understand that is unusual, but it seems to be working for these two communities.

Ok then. What I am saying, Catholics should not be deprived of personal Confession and that it is not right to replace it with a general confession during a mass. It should not work that way so it is not the norm. Yes, maybe because of shortage of priest and that he has to cover more than one places.

It is simply not practiced that way. The Sacrament of Confession and the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist should be received regularly as specified. At least there is Confession albeit by appointment. So there is Confession.