PROTESTANTS! Answer me this....

[jmcrae]

Hi,

From what I know about their beliefs-----no. Dont ask me to list their beliefs because I dont know them. Most important is that they dont believe who Jesus was. The SDA’s Im not sure I dont know enough about them.

By what authority do you excommunicate them from your Church?

a) Popular opinion? (General consensus)

b) Christians have always interpreted the Bible your way; their way is an innovation. (Tradition)

c) A feeling of wrongness about their beliefs given to you by the Holy Spirit? (In which case, why does the Holy Spirit not also give them the same feeling of wrongness about their beliefs?)

 

[mrs_abbott]

My point is that we rely on the Catholic Church for the correct translation.

Who says that ALL scholars are Catholic? Anyone could study a language well enough to be able to translate. You don’t have to be a member of the CC to be able to translate a language.

 

[mrs_abbott]

It was St. Jerome (a Catholic priest) and his assistants, who were also Catholics, who did the first translations from which everyone else, including Protestants, gets theirs.

But obviously the editions have been re-done since then. How do we know they were done by Catholics? I’m sure more than just St. Jerome attempted to translate the Bible.

 

[jmcrae]

Who says that ALL scholars are Catholic? Anyone could study a language well enough to be able to translate. You don’t have to be a member of the CC to be able to translate a language.

The original translators were St. Jerome and his assistants, under the direct command of the Bishop of Rome (Catholic Pope).

Everyone else, including Protestants, is building on their original work. Even the King James Bible, which advertised itself as being translated directly from the original languages, made heavy use of St. Jerome’s work, since the original documents from which St. Jerome worked had long since turned to dust by the time the KJV scholars came along.

 

[mrs_abbott]

The original translators were St. Jerome and his assistants, under the direct command of the Bishop of Rome (Catholic Pope).

Everyone else, including Protestants, is building on their original work. Even the King James Bible, which advertised itself as being translated directly from the original languages, made heavy use of St. Jerome’s work, since the original documents from which St. Jerome worked had long since turned to dust by the time the KJV scholars came along.

Is St. Jerome the only documented translation that Catholics have to go by?

 

[ALLFORHIM]

So does your church claim to be the one true church founded by Jesus Christ?

No we dont. There are churches planted all over this world including the CC that worship a HOLY GOD and bear the fruit of the spirit and are teaching the truth.

 

[ALLFORHIM]

The original translators were St. Jerome and his assistants, under the direct command of the Bishop of Rome (Catholic Pope).

Everyone else, including Protestants, is building on their original work. Even the King James Bible, which advertised itself as being translated directly from the original languages, made heavy use of St. Jerome’s work, since the original documents from which St. Jerome worked had long since turned to dust by the time the KJV scholars came along.

Hi,
Actually that is too broad a statement, with all due respect. There are many scholars that build on the Word of Christ(bible) and go from there with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Shockingly my ministers have referred to the ECF’s And I was a little shocked myself after being on these forums and hearing about how we protestants dont pay any attention to them. Imagine my amazement when the ECF’s actually supported our doctrine. Also I have read the Didache and it supports our beliefs as well. I didnt read anything in it that contradicted my church beliefs. Hey, maybe my church beliefs isnt as far off from the CC as we both think.
I think it would be fair to sat that the CC just puts more faith into the teachings of the ECF’s then the protestants do. I am assuming it is because that may be where oral tradition comes from. I say this with uncertainty because I still have no idea what the specific oral traditions are that were passed down.

 

[ALLFORHIM]

By what authority do you excommunicate them from your Church?

a) Popular opinion? (General consensus)

b) Christians have always interpreted the Bible your way; their way is an innovation. (Tradition)

c) A feeling of wrongness about their beliefs given to you by the Holy Spirit? (In which case, why does the Holy Spirit not also give them the same feeling of wrongness about their beliefs?)

Hi,
We follow the rules of excommunication. If someone is openly in sin and will not repent then it is put to a vote by the other believers(congregation) in the church. The sole purpose of ex communication is to bring that person back into communion with fellow believers as soon as they repent.

If they had the Holy Spirit in them He would convict them. If the Holy Spirit is not in them they are slave to their sin and will not be convicted.

 

[mercygate]

WOW I completely put thw wrong verse OOPS sorry about the confusion.

John 13: 12–17 Lets hope that is the right one I have so many things on my mind and actually I shouldnt even be here I have too much to do.

Thanks for the fix – no time to do any of this now but I’m glad I thought to ask about it instead of jumping all over you! Not that I can take much credit for patience & humility: there was just no way John 17 could match with your statement; it had to be a typo.

John 13 doesn’t say that everybody has equal authority. Jesus is in a room with the 12 only. He says the one who is sent is not greater than the one who has sent him. This is exactly what a Catholic means when understanding the Church as a Body under the leadership of ‘those who are sent’ (Romans 8).

The word “apostle” means ‘one who is sent.’ The apostolic “sending” is conferred from Christ through the apostles in the apostolic succession in order to be authentic. Although we, too, are “sent,” our authenticity derives from theirs. The Holy Spirit works most authentically within the fellowship.

 

[Damascus]

What are ECF’s?

 

[MrS]

No we dont. There are churches planted all over this world including the CC that worship a HOLY GOD and bear the fruit of the spirit and are teaching the truth.

But none of them is being fed like the Catholics. It was St Peter whom the Lord instructed to Feed My sheep, Tend My flock, Feed My sheep.

Any faith community outside the Catholic Church has none of the Apostolic Authority that make the Catholic Church the only “church” All others are only faith communities who choose to include the word church in their description.

Do they bear good fruit… some do some of the time. But the bad fruit… keeping their “flock” from Jesus’ Church far outweighs it all in the long run .

.

 

[jmcrae]

Hi,
We follow the rules of excommunication. If someone is openly in sin and will not repent then it is put to a vote by the other believers(congregation) in the church.

But SDAs, JWs, Mormons, etc. are not members of your specific congregation. How do they find out that they are not really Christians?

In other words, where does the “Invisible Church of All Believers” get its authority to say who is really a Christian, and who is not - and how does it make that information known?

 

[MrS]

Hi,
We follow the rules of excommunication. If someone is openly in sin and will not repent then it is put to a vote by the other believers(congregation) in the church. The sole purpose of ex communication is to bring that person back into communion with fellow believers as soon as they repent.

If they had the Holy Spirit in them He would convict them. If the Holy Spirit is not in them they are slave to their sin and will not be convicted.

Do you see what you are saying… another example of the believers assuming the authority to judge… not given to them. All power was given to Christ… He in turn designated who would have power from Him

 

[Kay_Cee]

Hello, All For Him! I’ve read quite a few of your posts, and I must say it is obvous you have a fervent love for our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

I have a question about what you wrote.

To be honest with you I believe that whether you worship in the CC or baptist or non-denom or methodist(sorry for what denoms I forgot to mention)as long as you have Jesus Christ in your heart and are following Him then AMEN and God Bless!

My question is about this hypothetical situation:

I have a friend who is teaching false doctrine about Baptism to my children. As a good mother and (hopefully!) a good Christian, I want my children to have the truth. In order to follow Jesus (as you said above–and I agree), I should do what He said to do about this situation. He said:

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.” Matt. 18:15-17

So, as Jesus said, I go to him alone, but he will not listen. I then take along a couple of friends and go to him again. He still will not listen. So, as Jesus said, I am to take it to the church.

Here is my question: Which church do I take it to? Some teach Baptism is for everyone; some say it is not for infants. Some teach that Baptism is regenerative; others say it is merely symbolic. Some teach Baptism is not necessary at all. They all claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit.

Please do not tell me to take my problem to the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to guide me. That’s not what Jesus said to do. He didn’t say, “Go to the Bible to find out what it says about your problem” and He didn’t say, “Go to the Bible to find out which church is the right one.”

If I am going to follow Him, I need to do what He said. He said, “Take it to the church.”

Which church?

 

[Damascus]

What are ECF’s?

Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists?

 

[Stephen_C]

Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists?

Funny.
Don’t know if you are kidding but just in case, ECF is Early Church Fathers.

 

[Damascus]

Funny.
Don’t know if you are kidding but just in case, ECF is Early Church Fathers.

I was just confused by AFH post 125. I mean, I guess the ECF’s could be in agreement with a lot of things non Catholic christians do, but is it cherry picking things they said here and there or using all their writings? I mean, what does this really mean? The Early Church Fathers did not support multiple Churches. They were all Catholic. I dont get it. If someone can find things that the fathers wrote about what about everything they wrote in context? Why would it be a shock that the Fathers are used to support Christian beliefs when they were Christians!
I was a tad offended by AFM’s shock. If I did not know any better (or do I?) It sounded like she was not seeing the connection to using the ECF’s for back up.

I hope I am wrong, but that’s offensive if I am not.

 

[mrs_abbott]

I was just confused by AFH post 125. I mean, I guess the ECF’s could be in agreement with a lot of things non Catholic christians do, but is it cherry picking things they said here and there or using all their writings? I mean, what does this really mean? The Early Church Fathers did not support multiple Churches. They were all Catholic. I dont get it. If someone can find things that the fathers wrote about what about everything they wrote in context? Why would it be a shock that the Fathers are used to support Christian beliefs when they were Christians!
I was a tad offended by AFM’s shock. If I did not know any better (or do I?) It sounded like she was not seeing the connection to using the ECF’s for back up.

I hope I am wrong, but that’s offensive if I am not.

Many non-Catholics believe the CC has alot of truth to it but errors in its interpretation of scripture (which, I know, is a whole other thread in and of itself) and therefore they see Catholics creating unnecessary doctrines and teachings that are against scripture.
Let me know if that makes sense. My head hurts and I’m having a hard time focusing right now. :whacky:

 

[Damascus]

Many non-Catholics believe the CC has alot of truth to it but errors in its interpretation of scripture (which, I know, is a whole other thread in and of itself) and therefore they see Catholics creating unnecessary doctrines and teachings that are against scripture.
Let me know if that makes sense. My head hurts and I’m having a hard time focusing right now. :whacky:

Gotcha!

Lets grab some yule cheer (not too much) and hope it helps.

 

[mrs_abbott]

Gotcha!

Lets grab some yule cheer (not too much) and hope it helps.

I can hear a bottle of Asti calling my name from the fridge.