Protestants are not a different "religion" from Catholics

[GaryTaylor]

they do exist and so w/ some hardcore protestants who claim all catholics go to hell.
but don’t let them bother you - they are minority. why you are not Catholic should be
your concern. rev, fulton sheen once said that if non-catholics only knew what Catholics truly believe in, they’ll not remain being non-catholics for long (paraphrasing).
cardinal neumann did just that - he learned what truly Catholicism is and did convert.
a brilliant fellow though. praise the Lord.

You know just to comment on this post. There are several Very Good video’s of Fulton Sheen on “You Tube”. And he is one heck of a fantastic public speaker. He has the rare ability to mix wit, knowledge, and humor in all his topics with public speaking.

God Bless, Gary

 

[GaryTaylor]

Bishop St. Athanasius, reminded the Catholic’s

“you are the ones who are happy; you who remain with the Church by your faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the faith which has come down to you from apostolic tradition…even if Catholics faithful to tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ.”

Not long ago I listened to the Jesuits speak and it was mentioned, that if but “one” Catholic remained on earth. Then he would be the Catholic Church.

God Bless, Gary

 

[Jakesmom]

Thank you for your post Gary. I had never read that before and when I did it brought tears to my eyes. Very beautiful and true indeed.

 

[zaffiroborant]

Actually you give ME way too much credit

That is precisely what the Bible and God himself says… we are not alike but do hold to the Trinity; Baptism and eternal life togeater. So yes; as practiced Protestantism IS a different and seperate religion than is Catholism… and how can it not be: Given all of the changes is Theology and Philosophy…

a short list of NOT the same as the CC on:

OSAS
Faith Only
The Seven Sacraments
How Sins are forgiven
The Eucharist and REAL Presence
The Complete Bible
Primacy of Peter and Rome

THESE are HUGE issue difference friend and the positions of the CC are well documented and recorded in the Bible. So we ought to pray for unification but it’s far off…

John 10:16 And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd.

1 Cor. 1: 10” I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.”

Eph. 2:19-20 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [singular] built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; [singular] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit. “

Eph. 4: 4 -8“There is one body [Only One Church] and one Spirit, [Only One set of beliefs] just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, [Only One God] ONLY one faith, [Only One set of doctrine and dogma] one baptism, By water in the Trinity] one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift. "

God Bless my friend,
Pat

Then we are in agreement, Protestantism is a different religion than Catholicism.

 

[JRRTFAN]

my comments in red

This is quite the interesting list. What is most striking is that Protestants are not even in agreement with each other on any of these.

Tommy, you;re wrong about OSAS. Every non-denominational community and mega-church holds to this concept. It is by ne means limited to fundamentalists. This is, far and away, the dominant theology in American Protestantism today. The mainline denominations are dead or dying. The up and comers, the ones with laser light shows, rock bands and etc. all hold to it.

 

[onenow1]

I know lots of Protestants who think I’m going to hell because I’m a revert Catholic. They were “friends” who no longer speak to me.

Hi, Pax,
Its a shame, some make judgements that belong only to God !

God Bless

 

[StTommyMore]

Tommy, you;re wrong about OSAS. Every non-denominational community and mega-church holds to this concept. It is by ne means limited to fundamentalists. This is, far and away, the dominant theology in American Protestantism today. The mainline denominations are dead or dying. The up and comers, the ones with laser light shows, rock bands and etc. all hold to it.

I tend to stay away from such broad generalizations. There is a non-denom in my hometown that does not hold to it.

 

[veilofveronica]

Hi there,

I think that the title of the forum is not meant to create offense. It’s because it’s a catch-all not just for our visitors of other Christian denominations, but of those of other or no religion.

God Bless.

 

[Zooey]

I have been around here long enough to see various & sundry attempts to re-title this forum. I will say now what I have always said:
Yes, it seems an unfortunate name until you consider the alternative, whic is to decide who is allowed to post on “Non-Catholic Christians”, & who gets booted into “Non-Christian Religions”. What do we do with the Quakers & the Mormons? Send them packing to join the Non-Pacifist Atheists, Tap-Dancing Unitarian Wiccans, & God help us!] the Upstate NY Nudist Neopagan Cannibals over in a “Non-Christian Religions” forum??
Or do we do what seems to be an acceptable compromise for all of us, & save ]Yours Truly from having to go picket with the poor LDS, who would like to be at least treated as befits someone who is just trying to hang out with some fellow believers?

 

[JRRTFAN]

I tend to stay away from such broad generalizations. There is a non-denom in my hometown that does not hold to it.

Well that’s interesting indeed. How do they provide that one could lose his salvation and regain it after loss? This is really fascinating to me as I have never heard such from a non-denom community.

 

[Zooey]

Since when is faithfully practicing my religion as a Catholic, hardcore? I’m a convert and I love my religion and hardcore sounds rather harsh.

stormy

I don’t think you should be offended; it sounds like what you are is deeply devout. That is a good thing. And God bless you for it.

veilofveronica:

Hi there,

I think that the title of the forum is not meant to create offense. It’s because it’s a catch-all not just for our visitors of other Christian denominations, but of those of other or no religion.

God Bless.

There you go!!
And I repeat, that if the Mormons & Quakers (for example) were to be exiled to a “non-Christian” forum, I would be out there demonstrating for re-admission along with them.
I don’t believe Mormons have valid Christian baptism, & most (if not all) Quakers don’t baptize at all, but they deserve better than to be shoved into a category with folks who are something altogether different.

 

[StTommyMore]

Well that’s interesting indeed. How do they provide that one could lose his salvation and regain it after loss? This is really fascinating to me as I have never heard such from a non-denom community.

I never really cared enough to ask

 

[PJM]

=JRRTFAN;7746871]Well that’s interesting indeed. How do they provide that one could lose his salvation and regain it after loss? This is really fascinating to me as I have never heard such from a non-denom community.

If the one in question is DEAD… No way! BUT if not; God is a God of Love and Mercy and the ONLY unforgivable sin is denial of God!

God Bless,
Pat

 

[paxlily]

Tommy, you;re wrong about OSAS. Every non-denominational community and mega-church holds to this concept. It is by ne means limited to fundamentalists. This is, far and away, the dominant theology in American Protestantism today. The mainline denominations are dead or dying. The up and comers, the ones with laser light shows, rock bands and etc. all hold to it./Q

Can someone please tell me what OSAS stands for. thanx. Paxlily

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

JRRTFAN;7746200:

Tommy, you;re wrong about OSAS. Every non-denominational community and mega-church holds to this concept. It is by ne means limited to fundamentalists. This is, far and away, the dominant theology in American Protestantism today. The mainline denominations are dead or dying. The up and comers, the ones with laser light shows, rock bands and etc. all hold to it.[/Q

Can someone please tell me what OSAS stands for. thanx. Paxlily

Once saved always saved.

[/quote]

 

[MrsWendyW]

May be off topic, but isn’t saying you are non-denominational an oxymoron?? To say you do not hold the beliefs of any other church or denomination. Then what do you believe?? I have a daughter that left the Catholic church for a non-denominational church. Yet what the claim to believe is the same as some of the other protestant churchs around. Really makes no sense to me at all.
Maybe I should have posted this in another place, but protestants really are a different religion because they do not hold to all of the teachings from Christ. In my daughter’s case, she wanted to pick & choose what to follow. She wanted something more “fun”. Even if “fun” means rejecting some of the very things Christ left.

 

[Izdaari]

I think you are over thinking it. Keep in mind an everyday person programmed and named this forum. I doubt they put an extensive amount of thought into the semantics of the name.

That’s right; that’s why I don’t take offense at the title of the forum. Obviously, Catholics and Protestants differ on some doctrines, and some of them pretty important, but most of us would agree that both are Christian. We might call each other heretics sometimes but heresies happen when people in the same religion disagree. When people in different religions disagree we don’t call them heretics, but pagans.

 

[JRRTFAN]

If the one in question is DEAD… No way! BUT if not; God is a God of Love and Mercy and the ONLY unforgivable sin is denial of God!

God Bless,
Pat

Can you enlarge on that? Tommy has piqued my interest. Every non-denom church I am familiar with (my wife and kids are non-denom Evangelicals) holds that somebody is either saved or not saved. Once saved one can fall “on deck but not overboard” at the moment of salvation all sins past, present and future are forgiven. I never heard of an Evangelical who held that one can be saved, then lost, then saved again. They do not talk in terms of sanctifying grace and etc.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

That’s right; that’s why I don’t take offense at the title of the forum. Obviously, Catholics and Protestants differ on some doctrines, and some of them pretty important, but most of us would agree that both are Christian. We might call each other heretics sometimes but heresies happen when people in the same religion disagree. When people in different religions disagree we don’t call them heretics, but pagans.

Pagans, really? I’ve never seen a Catholic call a Protestant a ‘pagan’. I have seen the term ‘separated brethren’ used.

 

[PJM]

=JRRTFAN;7748169]Can you enlarge on that? Tommy has piqued my interest. Every non-denom church I am familiar with (my wife and kids are non-denom Evangelicals) holds that somebody is either saved or not saved. Once saved one can fall “on deck but not overboard” at the moment of salvation all sins past, present and future are forgiven. I never heard of an Evangelical who held that one can be saved, then lost, then saved again. They do not talk in terms of sanctifying grace and etc.

SURE

It’s a matter of Divine Justice which HAS to be Fair and consistently applied by our Perfect in every good-way-God.

On planet earth there are HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of “living things”; but only humanity has a Mind, Intellect; FREEWILL connected to there souls. WHY?

First notice that these attributes are Spiritual [God “like”] and cannot be traced to an evolutionary chain. Spiritual things can only come from other Spiritual Things. None of these “spiritual things” can, will or do NOT “die.” They can be shown to exist but not quantified.

So why does humanity alone have these superb and remarkably unique and powerful gifts? God Himself tells is in Genesis 1: 26-27 “made in the image of God” and more specifically in Isaiah 43: 7, 21 .

“every one who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made." And “ the people whom I formed for myself that they might declare my praise.”

Notice the word “MIGHT” in verse 21… This package of attributes cannot be separated as they have a precise role to fulfill; that being; as the ONLY created “things” in the Entire Universe with the ability and capacity to FREELY choose to Know, Love and Serve our God. That then is there right application and the reason for humanity having them. The fact that it REST with each-man to individually decide to fulfill his mission; or to turn inwards to self gratification choices, is further evidence of God’s Love and desire to be in a personal relationship with us. Love freely given is FAR better than love forced. Indeed Perfect love HAS TO BE freely given.

When one is dead physically one has then judged themselves to hell or heaven based on there lives choices. The Attribute package remains necessary BOTH for suffering and Eternal Glory… which allows one to Know, Love, Serve, Obey and Thank God.

In Divine Mercy and Love; so long as one physically lives; one can STILL choose to amend there way; SEEK FORGIVENESS, and fulfill the reason for being Created. Once our physical bodies die; we; NOT God, Judge ourselves. This decision is affirmed and confirmed by God’s Divine Justice. BUT the choice is and has to be our own!

Hope this explains it for you. If not let me know.

God Bless,
Pat