Protestants are not a different "religion" from Catholics

[PJM]

Lost the internet connection before I was done

Your wifes position is anti-biblical; meaning it acctually opposes what the Bible actually teaches …

Look carefully at the passages below…

Heb.6: 10 “For God is not so unjust as to overlook your work and the love which you showed for his sake in serving the saints, as you still do.”

**1 Peter 1: 17 **“Now if you invoke as Father him who judges impartially according to each one’s works, conduct yourselves with reverence during the time of your sojourning, “

**Rom.2: 13 **“For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.”

Eph.1 :13 to 14 “In him you also, who have heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, which is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”

Rev.2: 23 “and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches shall know that I am he who searches mind and heart,*** and I will give to each of you as your works deserve***.”

and these: FIVE Times the message is REPEATED

**Phil.2: 8 “And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross Luke.9 :23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Mark.8: 34 And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Luke.9: 23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Luke.14: 7 **Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.” **Matt.5: 19 **“Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. “ **Matt.19: 17 **“***And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” ***

So print this a share it with her… Good luck’ be sure to ask the Holy Spirit to help you!

God Bless,
Pat

 

[tmj365]

**Since when is faithfully practicing my religion as a Catholic, hardcore? I’m a convert and I love my religion and hardcore sounds rather harsh.

stormy**

I’m guessing he means that some postings in response to my comment and question come across arrogant, unkind, and did not speak the truth in love. But, as always, I could be wrong.
Tom

 

[fred_conty]

Hi,
Maybe I could be wrong but “…love everyone,especially the brethern…” Saul the murderer, Paul the convert.

 

[meltzerboy]

I don’t think you should be offended; it sounds like what you are is deeply devout. That is a good thing. And God bless you for it.

There you go!!
And I repeat, that if the Mormons & Quakers (for example) were to be exiled to a “non-Christian” forum, I would be out there demonstrating for re-admission along with them.
I don’t believe Mormons have valid Christian baptism, & most (if not all) Quakers don’t baptize at all, but they deserve better than to be shoved into a category with folks who are something altogether different.

I agree, by Jove (a touch of Paganism here), and we Jews don’t want Quakers and Mormons in OUR category!

 

[JRRTFAN]

SURE

It’s a matter of Divine Justice which HAS to be Fair and consistently applied by our Perfect in every good-way-God.

On planet earth there are HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of “living things”; but only humanity has a Mind, Intellect; FREEWILL connected to there souls. WHY?

Hope this explains it for you. If not let me know.

God Bless,
Pat

Thanks, Pat. But it really doesn’t. I am a Catholic, I believe that the presence or absence of sanctifying grace (i.e., the relationsip between a person and God) at the time of death determines whether one is saved or not.

Fundamentalists and Evangelicals (all that I have ever known) hold that one who says “The sinner’s prayer”, with thorough belief and sincerity changes from lost souls to saved soul. Being saved means that the future disposition of that soul (relationship between the person and God) has absolutely no bearing on salvation because one has been saved. They didn’t get saved by what they did (presuming the prayer is not something they did) therefore they can’t be lost by what they do.

Sttommy indicated he knew of an Evangelical communion which did not hold this view and I was interested in what view they did hold, apparently Arminian, but I am interested in how they get re-saved if they were lost. I know all about the reality of how someone is actually saved, I was interested in what Sttommy had heard of a communion in his town.

 

[JRRTFAN]

May be off topic, but isn’t saying you are non-denominational an oxymoron?? To say you do not hold the beliefs of any other church or denomination. Then what do you believe?? I have a daughter that left the Catholic church for a non-denominational church. Yet what the claim to believe is the same as some of the other protestant churchs around. Really makes no sense to me at all.
Maybe I should have posted this in another place, but protestants really are a different religion because they do not hold to all of the teachings from Christ. In my daughter’s case, she wanted to pick & choose what to follow. She wanted something more “fun”. Even if “fun” means rejecting some of the very things Christ left.

Non-denominationalism has become, in effect, a denomination in and of itself. By and large they profess no creed but do not disdain the creeds they hold to a sola scriptura, sola fide, sola gracia form of Protestantism. They disdain liturgy and the worship consists of music (pick your favorite type, but most are electric guitar, drum, keyboard compositions of modern Christian pop music). One thing you will never hear in a non-denominational community is the Dan Schutte, Bob Dufford, Roc O’Connor, John Foley,Tim Manion, and Marty Haugen et al style of “Here we are God, aren’t you glad, we are perfect” mumbo jumbo you hear at Mass. So to that extent it’s very good. Music is directe to praise of God, not to the assembly (like it used to be in the Catholic Church).

The community is generally centered on the sermon and the preacher who will provide “series”. A 4 part series on fatherhood, community service, tithing, public service et al. The preacher is often, but not always, quite good, if heterodox and that’s the sum and substance, he’ll have MP3 downloads and CDs available of all sermons.

 

[Izdaari]

Pagans, really? I’ve never seen a Catholic call a Protestant a ‘pagan’. I have seen the term ‘separated brethren’ used.

That’s kind of my point. Catholics and Protestants may call each other heretics, but generally they don’t call each other pagans, because they’re part of the same religion, Christianity. If we say Catholicism and Protestantism are different religions, that’s true in a sense, but also not because we acknowledge that both are Christian, so there’s a semantic clarity problem in calling them different religions. “Separated brethren” is a good term. That nails what Catholics and Protestants are to each other: Christian brethren who are separated by their different church traditions. The differences are deeper than mere denominations, but not nearly so deep as actual different religions.

 

[vickimonica]

Protestants are CHRISTIANS.

Obviously there are differences between Protestants and Catholics. There are also big differences between an Episcopalian and a Pentecostal, but both are Christians.

Now for simple organization, I’m not the saying the forum section should be renamed, but we cannot compare Protestants to Muslims or Jews, who are not Christians.

Now here is a question to the Catholics:

If someone asks you if you are Christian, what do you say?

• Yes
  – No, I’m Catholic
• Yes, Catholic

Just curious.

If someone asks “are you a Christian” I answer yes. If they ask “what is your religion” I answer Catholic…

 

[PJM]

=JRRTFAN;7750437]Thanks, Pat. But it really doesn’t. I am a Catholic, I believe that the presence or absence of sanctifying grace (i.e., the relationsip between a person and God) at the time of death determines whether one is saved or not.

RIGHT! … But MUST include a firm and correct understanding of the Triune God; and a valid Christian Baptism [Jn.3:5]; not die with unCONFESSED and unforgiven Mortal sin in-order to meet the minimum requirements

Fundamentalists and Evangelicals (all that I have ever known) hold that one who says “The sinner’s prayer”, with thorough belief and sincerity changes from lost souls to saved soul.

** 1John.1 Verses 8 to 10:** "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

** 1John.5 Verses 16 to 17**"If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. ** There is sin which is mortal**; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, ** but there is sin which is not mortal. **

** John.20 Verses 20 to 23**]" When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. ** Jesus said to them ** again, “Peace be with you. ** As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” ** And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

Either the ENTIRE Bible is true and can be trusted or it completely worthless! READ:
2nd. Tim.3:16-17

It’s a scary FACT that God will Judge based on what we have the opportunity to know; NOT only what WE CHOOSE to accept. Last year I did some research on GOOGLE on the sinners prayer. Heres a summation of what I found out.

1. It’s very recent addition to Protestant Faith beliefs [NOT accepted by many Protestants who have actually THOUGHT about it]
2. It came into use as a “necesary convience” of Broadcast preachers who "had to save people QUICKLY to allow time for the commericals *.
3. It has absolutely NO biblical bsis in fact or truth

Being saved means that the future disposition of that soul (relationship between the person and God) has absolutely no bearing on salvation because one has been saved. They didn’t get saved by what they did (presuming the prayer is not something they did) therefore they can’t be lost by what they do.

It’s dream without foundation!: READ James chapter 2; it’s short.*

Heb.6: 10 “For God is not so unjust as to overlook your work and the love which you showed for his sake in serving the saints, as you still do.”

1 Peter 1: 17 “Now if you invoke as Father him who judges impartially according to each one’s works, conduct yourselves with reverence during the time of your sojourning, “

Rev.2: 23 “and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches shall know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve.”

Salvation can ONLY come about on God’s trems and God’s Conditions! [not yelling ] making a critial to salvation point:thumbsup:

Sttommy indicated he knew of an Evangelical communion which did not hold this view and I was interested in what view they did hold, apparently Arminian, but I am interested in how they get re-saved if they were lost. I know all about the reality of how someone is actually saved, I was interested in what Sttommy had heard of a communion in his town.

I have no idea what he’ll share but the truth; the FACT is above on Confession of sin. The ONLY and singular way any Protestant can have sins forgive is PERFECT Contrition: And there willing to bet [huge odds of being right] that there is

God Bless my friend,
Pat

 

[tmj365]

That’s kind of my point. Catholics and Protestants may call each other heretics, but generally they don’t call each other pagans, because they’re part of the same religion, Christianity. If we say Catholicism and Protestantism are different religions, that’s true in a sense, but also not because we acknowledge that both are Christian, so there’s a semantic clarity problem in calling them different religions. “Separated brethren” is a good term. That nails what Catholics and Protestants are to each other: Christian brethren who are separated by their different church traditions. The differences are deeper than mere denominations, but not nearly so deep as actual different religions.

Exactly! Thank you. To know that at least one person out there in CA-land thinks this will keep me subscribed. And I realize that many more do as well.
Tom

 

[ConstantineTG]

I am disappointed at the title of this forum. Protestants are not a different “religion” from Catholics. That’s a misuse of the term “religion.” Islam is a different religion from Christianity, but Protestants are part of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. This is acknowledged by most RC scholars.
Tom

Tell that to the multitudes of Protestants who say Catholics are not Christians.

 

[tmj365]

Tell that to the multitudes of Protestants who say Catholics are not Christians.

Only the thousands of mean-spirited and uninformed Protestant fundamentalists hold that view. Let’s not be like them.
Tom

 

[Izdaari]

Only the thousands of mean-spirited and uninformed Protestant fundamentalists hold that view. Let’s not be like them.
Tom

Exactly! And not all Protestant fundamentalists hold that view either, but that’s the Protestant group it’s most common among.

 

[kathmandu]

The creeds were made by the Catholic Church herself. And since there can only be One (not thousands but One), Holy, Catholic and Apostolic church u should therefore ask yourself if the Episcopalian church is of that church, which in reality is not

Do you realize that Episcopalians say the Creed at Mass? The very same one?

 

[PJM]

=tmj365;7753223]Exactly! Thank you. To know that at least one person out there in CA-land thinks this will keep me subscribed. And I realize that many more do as well.
Tom

Perhaps the way to explian it is that we are of the Same Religion; BUT NOT of the same Faith?

God Bless,
Pat

 

[LDNCatholic]

Do you realize that Episcopalians say the Creed at Mass? The very same one?

Copying the Catholics does not make you a member of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

 

[StTommyMore]

Do you realize that Episcopalians say the Creed at Mass? The very same one?

Since you do not submit yourself to the Holy See, but rather to a temporal ruler, then that separates you from the Church.

 

[onenow1]

Perhaps the way to explian it is that we are of the Same Religion; BUT NOT of the same Faith?

Maybe better yet just a little off the mark.

“John said to him, ‘Teacher, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he was not following us.’ But Jesus said, ‘Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is for us’” (Mark 9:38–40).

Unfortunately many are against His Church.

Peace

 

[TrueLight]

Maybe better yet just a little off the mark.

“John said to him, ‘Teacher, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he was not following us.’ But Jesus said, ‘Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is for us’” (Mark 9:38–40).

Unfortunately many are against His Church.

Peace

Oh come on. This passage can just as well be used to support the other side. Lol

 

[onenow1]

Oh come on. This passage can just as well be used to support the other side. Lol

Indeed it can as can many verses ! The point is we must be careful in our judgements.

Peace