Protestants are not a different "religion" from Catholics

[tmj365]

Since you do not submit yourself to the Holy See, but rather to a temporal ruler, then that separates you from the Church.

I submit my whole life, all that I am and have, to Jesus Christ my Lord.
I am thankful for the sound teaching of the Holy Father and the Magisterium.
Shalom, Tom

 

[tmj365]

“Your religious affiliation isn’t going to save you, but your lack of one, if you know the truth and deny it, might damn you”

Religious affiliation, according to St. Paul, does not save anyone, but only trust in our Lord Jesus Christ, who died to save us all. Ephesians 2:8-9.
Shalom, Tom.

 

[StTommyMore]

I submit my whole life, all that I am and have, to Jesus Christ my Lord.
I am thankful for the sound teaching of the Holy Father and the Magisterium.
Shalom, Tom

Do you freely admit that the British Monarch is the “Supreme Head of the Church of England” and also accept that no other foreign powers have any authority, either temporal or spiritual, in England, as set down by Act of Parliament in 1534?

 

[StTommyMore]

“Your religious affiliation isn’t going to save you, but your lack of one, if you know the truth and deny it, might damn you”

Religious affiliation, according to St. Paul, does not save anyone, but only trust in our Lord Jesus Christ, who died to save us all. Ephesians 2:8-9.
Shalom, Tom.

How can you claim Christ as your king when you have placed yourself outside of the government He established on Earth?

 

[wisdomseeker]

St. Thomas Aquinas
“According to the promise of the Lord, the Apostolic Church of Peter remains free from all taint of heresy or deceit in its pontiffs, the Popes, and in the full faith and authority of Peter, and while other churches are shamed by errors, she reigns the solitary Church, unshakably established, imposing silence and closing the mouths of heretics and we, of necessity for our salvation, proclaim and confess this as the pattern of holy, apostolic tradition.”

Heresies cannot be part of the Holy Church of God, the Catholic Church. Sorry.

 

[wisdomseeker]

And yet the content of our faith overlaps about 90%, including view of the Trinity, view of the person and work of Christ, and the gospel. I find more commonality than difference.
Shalom, Tom

Sorry to intrude here but, are you justified for being outside of the CC?

 

[wisdomseeker]

“Your religious affiliation isn’t going to save you, but your lack of one, if you know the truth and deny it, might damn you”

Religious affiliation, according to St. Paul, does not save anyone, but only trust in our Lord Jesus Christ, who died to save us all. Ephesians 2:8-9.
Shalom, Tom.

How do you look upon the One Church Jesus found 2000 yrs ago?

 

[qOcOp]

I am disappointed at the title of this forum. Protestants are not a different “religion” from Catholics. That’s a misuse of the term “religion.” Islam is a different religion from Christianity, but Protestants are part of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. This is acknowledged by most RC scholars.
Tom

Protestantism is not a religion but a heresy within Christianity. Protestants are hereitcs because they have fallen away from the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church due to the invention of new, and contradictory doctrines. While Protestants came from the Catholic Church they will not be part of it until they return to it.

 

[qOcOp]

And yet the content of our faith overlaps about 90%, including view of the Trinity, view of the person and work of Christ, and the gospel. I find more commonality than difference.
Shalom, Tom

Tom your content overlaps the Roman Catholic Churches 90% because that 90% was stolen from the Roman Catholic Church. That is historical fact my friend not opinion. The other 10% you’re Church made up along the way and while you would like to believe your part of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church the sad reality of things is you’re not. The reason why is Apostolic Succession doesn’t work when running on only 90%. You need 100% of the Catholic Faith in order to also have Apostolic Succession.

The really question you should ask yourself Tom is if the 90% you have was taken from the Catholic Church then why do you still remain Anglican?

 

[rinnie]

I am disappointed at the title of this forum. Protestants are not a different “religion” from Catholics. That’s a misuse of the term “religion.” Islam is a different religion from Christianity, but Protestants are part of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. This is acknowledged by most RC scholars.
Tom

Then why are they called Protestants and not Catholic’s then?

 

[Smugleaf]

Do you subscribe to all that Catholicism hold? Do you subject your self under the authority of the Pope?

Then, with due respect, the one, holy, catholic, apostolic church refers to one with the same beliefs, one authority, and universality under one chief shepherd. Then you cannot call your self a “catholic” whether you like it or not. As the title says, non-catholic, so IMHO, so it is in the right place.

Church Catholic =/= Catholic Church. Church Catholic means universal. The Catholic Church is a denomination. I went to a Church of England cathedral for a while and the term “catholic” was always used, but not to mean denomination. I have also done some work for a Coptic archbishop who was very knowledgeable about this difference (I will note here the relation between the Coptic and RC churches).

 

[LDNCatholic]

The idea behind being a non denominal Christian is the idea of just being Christians and not being part of a Christian sect. More like the very first Christians.

I prefer being a pre-denominational Christian to being a ‘‘non’’ denominational.

 

[PJM]

Originally Posted by TrueLight
The idea behind being a non denominal Christian is the idea of just being Christians and not being part of a Christian sect. More like the very first Christians.

My dear friend in Christ;

may I ask please where you got such a notion?

ALL CHRISTIANS WERE CATHOLICS until the protestant revolt in the late 16th. Century.

Sure there were Some Eastern churches in schism and some small heritic secs; but as for a fully recogonized religion; they are are Catholics.

God Bless,
Pat

 

[ETEXAS]

My dear friend in Christ;

may I ask please where you got such a notion?

ALL CHRISTIANS WERE CATHOLICS until the protestant revolt in the late 16th. Century.

Sure there were Some Eastern churches in schism and some small heritic secs; but as for a fully recogonized religion; they are are Catholics.

God Bless,
Pat

Not so. Augustine, “found” Christian Communities that after the end of the Roman Empire and Pax Romana , he investigated (in and around his Area in Africa, and found the doctrines to be overall solid) he was torn, his reports upon arrival to Rome, wanted him to bring under Rome, Augustine, wanted them to be gifted with tools, and learning…and while not wanting “them free floating” he wanted a 'satellite" status, with more autonomy, remember, these guys…fell though the cracks here, Augustine never had to go against his feeling here thankfully, before push came to shove, God called him home.

 

[AmateurPianist]

I am disappointed at the title of this forum. Protestants are not a different “religion” from Catholics. That’s a misuse of the term “religion.” Islam is a different religion from Christianity, but Protestants are part of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. This is acknowledged by most RC scholars.
Tom

I actually found this thread rather interesting.

Let’s backtrack.

So the administrators of this forum decided to have a section or sections devoted to those of us who are “Not Catholic”. Should I take offense at this? Me thinks not.

So the next decision would be how many sections do you create. Well you “could” have “Non-Catholic Christians” and “Non-Christian”. But as one poster (Zooey) said aptly said who decides what this boundary is? What about organizations like Mormon or JW? Maybe you need a third category called “Debatably Christian”.

But you -still- have the boundary problem, except you now have two boundaries to worry about.

So the decision to have just one section is understandable and upon reflection one that I agree with. If you are not Catholic, this is your area. If you then study Catholicism you know the official teaching of the church is we are Christians, just separated…so of an inferior status to the true church. OK. But since many of us believe that y’all are Christians but of an inferior status, the tit-for-tat is even (I don’t think God intrinsically puts an “inferior status” sign on church organizations…that having been said I find the moral stats of “Liberal Protestant” to be (tactfully) troubling).

Anyway, since there is a defensible (and one I agree with) decision to have one area, the final decision is “what do you call it?”. Well “Non-Catholic” is a no brainer.

So finally we are down to the word “religion”. Is there a better word or phrase to use in place of religion? Maybe…but I for one am hard pressed to figure out what it might be. So religion works in lack of any better phrase.

So for me anyway to take offense at the title of this forum really seems to be in the category of “straining at gnats”.

Now this all having been said, there is a lot of rhetoric in this thread that is kinda “over-the-top” (why I don’t hang out here like I used to) but that is a separate issue.

 

[onenow1]

I actually found this thread rather interesting.

Let’s backtrack.

So the administrators of this forum decided to have a section or sections devoted to those of us who are “Not Catholic”. Should I take offense at this? Me thinks not.

So the next decision would be how many sections do you create. Well you “could” have “Non-Catholic Christians” and “Non-Christian”. But as one poster (Zooey) said aptly said who decides what this boundary is? What about organizations like Mormon or JW? Maybe you need a third category called “Debatably Christian”.

But you -still- have the boundary problem, except you now have two boundaries to worry about.

So the decision to have just one section is understandable and upon reflection one that I agree with. If you are not Catholic, this is your area. If you then study Catholicism you know the official teaching of the church is we are Christians, just separated…so of an inferior status to the true church. OK. But since many of us believe that y’all are Christians but of an inferior status, the tit-for-tat is even (I don’t think God intrinsically puts an “inferior status” sign on church organizations…that having been said I find the moral stats of “Liberal Protestant” to be (tactfully) troubling).

Anyway, since there is a defensible (and one I agree with) decision to have one area, the final decision is “what do you call it?”. Well “Non-Catholic” is a no brainer.

So finally we are down to the word “religion”. Is there a better word or phrase to use in place of religion? Maybe…but I for one am hard pressed to figure out what it might be. So religion works in lack of any better phrase.

So for me anyway to take offense at the title of this forum really seems to be in the category of “straining at gnats”.

Now this all having been said, there is a lot of rhetoric in this thread that is kinda “over-the-top” (why I don’t hang out here like I used to) but that is a separate issue.

Jesus was nice to the rich young man alsoexcept in the end when he told Him one more trhing you must do… Pretty hard core !

God Bless

 

[tmj365]

I agree with this analysis and its reasoning (below) and hereby repent of being offended, , besides some Catholics use the word “religion” to refer to all other non-Catholic groups, and so, since this is a Catholic forum, CAF should be free to use it that way.
Shalom,
Tom

I actually found this thread rather interesting.

Let’s backtrack.

So the administrators of this forum decided to have a section or sections devoted to those of us who are “Not Catholic”. Should I take offense at this? Me thinks not.

So the next decision would be how many sections do you create. Well you “could” have “Non-Catholic Christians” and “Non-Christian”. But as one poster (Zooey) said aptly said who decides what this boundary is? What about organizations like Mormon or JW? Maybe you need a third category called “Debatably Christian”.

But you -still- have the boundary problem, except you now have two boundaries to worry about.

So the decision to have just one section is understandable and upon reflection one that I agree with. If you are not Catholic, this is your area. If you then study Catholicism you know the official teaching of the church is we are Christians, just separated…so of an inferior status to the true church. OK. But since many of us believe that y’all are Christians but of an inferior status, the tit-for-tat is even (I don’t think God intrinsically puts an “inferior status” sign on church organizations…that having been said I find the moral stats of “Liberal Protestant” to be (tactfully) troubling).

Anyway, since there is a defensible (and one I agree with) decision to have one area, the final decision is “what do you call it?”. Well “Non-Catholic” is a no brainer.

So finally we are down to the word “religion”. Is there a better word or phrase to use in place of religion? Maybe…but I for one am hard pressed to figure out what it might be. So religion works in lack of any better phrase.

So for me anyway to take offense at the title of this forum really seems to be in the category of “straining at gnats”.

Now this all having been said, there is a lot of rhetoric in this thread that is kinda “over-the-top” (why I don’t hang out here like I used to) but that is a separate issue.

 

[Smugleaf]

ALL CHRISTIANS WERE CATHOLICS until the protestant revolt in the late 16th. Century.

One word: Orthodoxy.

 

[Izdaari]

Then why are they called Protestants and not Catholic’s then?

The ball for that was and is in the Catholic court. IMO, Luther’s 95 Theses were mostly correct, much needed reforms… and evidently the Catholic Church agrees since it eventually adopted most of them. If it had worked with Luther (yeah, I know… he was a stubborn and difficult man, but he wanted to reform the CC, not to leave it) instead of kicking him out and taking several hundred years to adopt most of his reforms, Protestantism might not exist at all today. Of course, we all know that was impossible: the CC is not institutionally capable of reacting that quickly.

As to the label… I don’t especially like being called Protestant. I just call myself a Christian, or ever better, a Christ-follower (better because it means exactly the same thing but carries less baggage and is a better conversation starter). But Protestant is the accepted term today for all Christians who aren’t Catholic or Orthodox, and I happen to fall into that category.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

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Thank you.
Eric