Protestants are not a different "religion" from Catholics

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It is important to note that it is impossible to make any definite judgment call on whether any particular person of any faith has gone to heaven, purgatory, or hell, especially given your biblical quotes. There are people who are just ignorant of the truth and/or were never given a legitimate chance to accept it even though they may have been exposed to it, and then there are those who have been properly and sufficiently exposed to the truth who will be judged much more harshly.

The key here being that as human beings, as it says in the book of the prophet Jeremiah, we don’t know the depths of a person’s heart as God does. So we can’t necessarily judge the difference.

EDIT: Excuse me, :o the first sentence is in error, since the declaration of saints is infallible. That is the exception. 🙂
 
Jewish Christians were followers of Jesus long before Biblical canon was compiled.
Sorry- the Bible is not the final authority on sociological & historical realities.
You are correct. The bible itself even agrees with you. The Church is the Pilar of all truth. And you are correct also about Christians being followers of Jesus LONG before the Canon was compiled also.

We have had Sacred tradition LONG before Sacred Scripture was ever written.
 
Hi Jharek,

Thanks for the spelling correction, wasn’t sure it was right but I got the idea across.

Really? By converting to Catholicism his friends and family and congregation who didn’t convert with him most probably disowned him.

And had he thought the religions were the same why convert? People convert out of Love of God and Truth, prompted by the Holy Spirit.

On Cardinal Newman:

Originally an evangelical Oxford academic and priest in the Church of England, Newman was a leader in the Oxford Movement. This influential grouping of Anglicans wished to return the Church of England to many Catholic beliefs and forms of worship traditional in the medieval times to restore ritual expression. In 1845 Newman left the Church of England and was received into the Roman Catholic Church where he was eventually granted the rank of cardinal by Pope Leo XIII.

So let’s say even as an anglican priest John Henry Newman tried to return his community to Catholic beliefs. Why? because he knew the difference… why change from one christian faith to a Catholic Faith if there is no difference!

ask.com/wiki/John_Henry_Newman
(approx 1816)

He became an evangelical Calvinist and held the typical belief that the Pope was Antichrist under the influence of the writings of Thomas Newton,[15] as well as his reading of Joseph Milner’s History of the Church of Christ.[7] Mayers is described as a moderate, Clapham Sect Calvinist,[16] and Newman read William Law as well as William Beveridge in devotional literature.[17] He also read The Force of Truth by Thomas Scott.[18]
Although to the end of his life Newman looked back on his conversion to evangelical Christianity in 1816 as the saving of his soul, he gradually outgrew his early Calvinism. As Eamon Duffy puts it, “He came to see Evangelicalism, with its emphasis on religious feeling and on the Reformation doctrine of justification by faith alone, as a Trojan horse for an undogmatic religious individualism that ignored the Church’s role in the transmission of revealed truth, and that must lead inexorably to subjectivism and skepticism.”[19]

…On 13 June 1824, Newman was ordained as an Anglican deacon in Christ Church Cathedral, Oxford.

Newman’s influence in Oxford was supreme about the year 1839. Just then, however, his study of monophysitism raised a doubt whether the Anglican position was really tenable on the principles of ecclesiastical authority which he had accepted. He then read, in Nicholas Wiseman’s article in the Dublin Review on “The Anglican Claim,” the words of Augustine of Hippo against the Donatists, “securus judicat orbis terrarum” (“the verdict of the world is conclusive”). He later wrote of his reaction,
For a mere sentence, the words of St Augustine, struck me with a power which I never had felt from any words before … they were like the ‘Tolle, lege, — Tolle, lege,’ of the child, which converted St Augustine himself. ‘Securus judicat orbis terrarum!’ By those great words of the ancient Father, interpreting and summing up the long and varied course of ecclesiastical history, the theology of the Via Media was absolutely pulverised. (Apologia, part 5)

After a furore in which the eccentric John Brande Morris preached for him in St Mary’s in September 1839, Newman began to think of moving away from Oxford.

Furore an outbreak of anger and excitement]

Newman continued his work, however, as a High Anglican controversialist until he had published, in 1841, Tract 90, in fact to be the last of the series. It was a detailed examination of the Thirty-Nine Articles, suggesting that their negations were not directed against the authorised creed of Roman Catholics, but only against popular errors and exaggerations. This theory, though not altogether new, aroused indignation in Oxford, and Archibald Campbell Tait, with three other senior tutors, denounced it as “suggesting and opening a way by which men might violate their solemn engagements to the university.” The alarm was shared by the heads of houses and by others in authority; and, at the request of Richard Bagot, the Bishop of Oxford, the publication of the Tracts came to an end.

God bless,
John
 
Here is my complete understanding:

All who are saved/will be saved are apart of the Mystical Body of Christ. T**hose who are baptised are considered apart **of the Catholic Church (on earth). Thus all Christians are in visible communion by virtue of their baptism. But since Protestants are brought up outside of the Catholic Church, they have an imperfect communion with the Catholic Church (Body of Christ). They can’t participate in the Eucharist (in a Catholic Church), which shows that you are in full visible communion with the Catholic Church. What I mean by visible communion is if you are formally Catholic and are able to partake of the Eucharist. In the broad sense, all who are validly baptised are apart of the Catholic Church.

But I don’t know where Catholics in mortal sin fit in (cafeteria Catholics). :confused:

Thoughts?
Those who are baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, become part of Christ’s mystical Body.

Typo?
your quote:
swisss guy,
all who are saved/will be saved **are apart **of the Mystical Body of Christ
Those who will be saved are a part… not apart

and as far as protestants are not different??? Why do they hate Catholicism, or why do many of them think we are not saved???

God bless,
John
 
not irony but purposely because he was a protestant converted to Catholicism:

As far as friends during/ in the process his conversion?

Popular Protestant feeling ran high at the time, partly in consequence of the bull Universalis Ecclesiae and setting up of the Catholic diocesan hierarchy by Pope Pius IX. Criminal proceedings against Newman for libel in the “Achilli trial” in 1852 resulted in a verdict for the plaintiff.[41] Newman was found guilty, and sentenced to pay a fine of £100, while his expenses as defendant amounted to about £14,000.

they brought him to trial!!!

If we are not different? Why go through all that aggravation? or why bring him to trial?
 
Really? Make a staement and do not back it up with the teaching??

A Jehovah Witness will tell you they are ‘Christians,’ yet they preach a different Christ. Modalist Pentecostals preach a different Christ, yet they call themselves Christians.
Mormons preach a different Christ,

And the Bible says:

2Cr 11:4 For if some one comes and preaches another Jesus than the one we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you submit to it readily enough.

Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again, If any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed.

We believe if you are in a Christ based Religion, then, that is a god start! And if you study the Bible diligently eventually you’ll become Catholic. To study Church history is to cease being a protestant." (Cardinal Neumann)

CCC #810 "Hence the universal Church is seen to be ‘a people brought into unity from the unity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit’"

#812 **Only faith can recognize that the Church possesses these properties from her divine source. **But their historical manifestations are signs that also speak clearly to human reason. As the First Vatican Council noted, the "Church herself, with her marvelous propagation, eminent holiness, and inexhaustible fruitfulness in everything good, her catholic unity and invincible stability, is a great and perpetual motive of credibility and an irrefutable witness of her divine mission

…838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.” Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.” With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.

#843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.

#844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:

Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.
870 “The sole Church of Christ which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, . . . **subsists in the Catholic Church, **which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him. Nevertheless, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside its visible confines”(LG 8).

God bless,
John
I am glad you found the Teaching of the Church on this matter. The Church considers Protestants who have been validly baptized rightfully called Christians. Although they espouse the same “religion” we do, they espouse a deficient form of it. They stand in the tradition of Apollos.
 
Do you subscribe to all that Catholicism hold? Do you subject your self under the authority of the Pope?

Then, with due respect, the one, holy, catholic, apostolic church refers to one with the same beliefs, one authority, and universality under one chief shepherd. Then you cannot call your self a “catholic” whether you like it or not. As the title says, non-catholic, so IMHO, so it is in the right place.
In this thread I have seen a lot of talks about semantics. I feel that there are many ‘catholics’ who do not completely understand the word ‘catholic’. There are two basic meanings. One is catholic, as universal, the universal christian church. The orthodox church also proclaims the creed and are catholic and apostolic. we are all part of this catholic church. And then there is the ‘catholic church’ as an institution under rome/the pope. they are two different uses of the word catholic. it would be useful if when posting people were to state which use of the word they intend
 
I am disappointed at the title of this forum. Protestants are not a different “religion” from Catholics. That’s a misuse of the term “religion.” Islam is a different religion from Christianity, but Protestants are part of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. This is acknowledged by most RC scholars.
Tom
I have come across protestants who call Catholics, Cultists, and Papists, and many other things for Eucharistic celebration. If you think Protestants are same like Catholics, than why all the name callings? I too feel we are same, we believe in Jesus, but than are you talking for yourself, all for all your denomination, or all Protestants, and are they with you on this belief?

God Bless you
 
I have come across protestants who call Catholics, Cultists, and Papists, and many other things for Eucharistic celebration. If you think Protestants are same like Catholics, than why all the name callings? I too feel we are same, we believe in Jesus, but than are you talking for yourself, all for all your denomination, or all Protestants, and are they with you on this belief?

God Bless you
Actually after thinking about this I am not sure if all protestants are Christians. So what then? I believe that as long as we are Baptised into one faith, some do not have the fullness of the faith, but we indeed have the same faith.

But if you are not Baptised in the name of the Trinity you are not a part of the CC on that I agree.
 
In this thread I have seen a lot of talks about semantics. I feel that there are many ‘catholics’ who do not completely understand the word ‘catholic’. There are two basic meanings. One is catholic, as universal, the universal christian church. The orthodox church also proclaims the creed and are catholic and apostolic. we are all part of this catholic church. And then there is the ‘catholic church’ as an institution under rome/the pope. they are two different uses of the word catholic. it would be useful if when posting people were to state which use of the word they intend
Catholic meaning Universal Greek (because it is his gift to all people) there was one Church ‘Catholic’ all welcome, until the break away of the Reformation. .

Jesus assured the apostles and their successors, the popes and the bishops, “He who listens to you listens to me, and he who rejects you rejects me” (Luke 10:16). Jesus promised to guide his Church into all truth (John 16:12-13). He keeps his promises. We can have complete confidence that his Church teaches the truth and nothing but the truth.

Among all the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church.
Only the Catholic Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing.
The Church is One

ewtn.com/library/answers/pillar.htm

Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of competing churches (Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on). The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23-32). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church.

“Actually, there are different rites, and there are 22 different Catholic Churches that use them. Here is a list of the eight rites and the Churches that use them: Eight Rites of the Catholic Church: 1. Roman 2. Armenian 3. Byzantine 4. Coptic 5. Maronite 6. East Syrian 7. West Syrian 8. Ethiopian (often listed as a recension of the Coptic Rite) The twenty-two Catholic Churches: * ROMAN RITE * 1. Latin Church * ARMENIAN RITE* 2. Armenian Church * BYZANTINE RITE * 3. Italo-Albanian Church 4. Melkite Church 5. Ukrainian Church 6. Ruthenian Church 7. Romanian Church 8. Greek Church (in Greece) 9. Greek Church of Former Yugoslavia 10. Bulgarian Church 11. Slovak Church 12. Hungarian Church 13. Russian Church 14. Belarusan Church 15. Albanian Church * COPTIC RITE * 16. Coptic Church (in many lists the Ethiopian Church is also placed here) * MARONITE RITE * 17. Maronite Church * EAST SYRIAN RITE * 18. Chaldean Church 19. Syro-Malabar Church * WEST SYRIAN RITE * 20. Syro-Malankara Church 21. Syrian Church * ETHIOPIAN RITE * 22. Ethiopian Church (often listed under the Coptic Rite)”

There is one Latin Church sui iuris and there are 21 Eastern Catholic Churches sui iuris. Together, these 22 Churches comprise the entire CATHOLIC CHURCH.

ewtn.com/library/Doctrine/subsistit.htm
Thus, for example, John Paul II wrote of “particular Churches in which there subsists the fullness of the universal Church” or that the “Catholic Church herself subsists in each particular Church”. The fullness of the universal Church can indeed be predicated of every particular Church, in the sense that, in each particular Church, “the Church universal with all her essential elements is made present”. Therefore,** each particular Church is constituted “in the image of the universal Church”** and, in each one, “the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church is truly present and operative (inest et operatur)”…

.It is easy to see that where Christ is made present in the Eucharistic sacrifice of his Body and his Blood, there the Church is present as the Body of Christ, through which Christ effects salvation in history. However, not any and every form of the Church’s operative presence constitutes a particular Church, but only this presence with all its essential elements.

Therefore, for a Christian community to be truly a particular Church, “there must be present in it, as a proper element, the supreme authority of the Church: the Episcopal College ‘together with its head, the Supreme Pontiff, and never apart from him’ (Lumen Gentium, n. 22)”. This might seem an insurmountable obstacle to the possibility of affirming that non-Catholic particular Churches are “true particular Churches”, and certainly there is much in this area that calls for deeper study.

God bless,
John
 
The root of the word “protestant” is “protest.” When one group within a denomination disagrees with a particular facet of its teachings, they are free to break away (protest) and form their own denomination. Just about every protest in the history of protestantism has been based on private interpretation of scripture.
 
The root of the word “protestant” is “protest.”
Yes, but that comes from a very specific political protest in 1529 by Protestant rulers in the Holy Roman Empire. It was a political label. The theological terms that Protestants used for themselves were “evangelical” and “reformed.”

Edwin
 
this is true! protestants are just revels against the authority of the catholic church! :mad:
 
Actually after thinking about this I am not sure if all protestants are Christians. So what then? I believe that as long as we are Baptised into one faith, some do not have the fullness of the faith, but we indeed have the same faith.
Hi rinnie,

The unity of faith. All Christians who are of the body of the Church
believe the same doctrine. “I beseech you . . . that you all speak the same
thing and that there be no schisms among you.” And: "One Lord, one faith,
one baptism.

faith is: to surrender to God, but transforming one’s life. A thing that is not always easy!

But there are different spirits?

there are protestant faiths who believe once you surrender to baptism there is nothing you can do to lose your salvation.
Luther solved this problem for himself by his “discovery” of justification
by faith, which for him meant that it made no difference if he did sin
mortally all the time. If he would just take Christ as his personal Savior,
then the merits of Christ would be thrown over him like a white cloak, and
he could not be lost, he was infallibly saved, saved no matter how much he
might sin. So he wrote to his great associate, Melanchthon :
“Pecca fortiter, sed crede fortius”–which means: "Sin greatly, but believe
still more greatly - or, “Even if you sin greatly, believe still more
greatly.” As a certain bumper sticker puts it: “Christians are not perfect,
just forgiven.” In other words, Christians can sin as much as they want–
they will get away with it. Others, for the same sins, go to hell.
St.James uses the word faith very differently. What do we find? Precisely the same as
what we explained above. Faith is a complex of belief, confidence,
obedience, love. The article even explains Paul’s words in Romans 1:5: “the
obedience of faith” to mean,“the obedience which faith is.” Luther thought
we do not have to obey any commandment at all if we have faith - but** he did
not see that faith itself includes obedience to God’s commands! **
above from
ewtn.com/library/CHISTORY/MLUTH.TXT

faith is a state of mind, it is a particular mode of thinking and acting, which is exercised, always indeed toward God, but in very various ways. Now I mean to say, that the multitude of men in this country have not this habit or character of mind. We could conceive, for instance, their believing in their own religions, even if they did not believe in the Church; this would be faith, though a faith improperly directed; but they do not believe even their own religions; they do not believe in anything at all.

…This is what faith was in the time of the Apostles, as no one
can deny; and what it was then, it must be now, else it ceases to be
the same thing. I say, it certainly was this in the Apostles’ time,
for you know they preached to the world that Christ was the Son of
God, that He preached to the world that Christ was the Son of God,
that He was born of a Virgin, that He had ascended on high, that he would come again to judge all, the living and the dead. Could the
world see all this? could it prove it? how then were men to receive
it? why did so many embrace it?
on the word of the Apostles, who were,
as their powers showed, messengers from God. Men were told to submit
their reason to a living authority. Moreover, whatever an Apostle
said, his converts were bound to believe; when they entered the
Church, they entered it in order to learn.
The Church was their
teacher; they did not come to argue, to examine, to pick and choose, but to accept whatever was put before them. No one doubts, no one can doubt this, of those primitive times. A Christian was bound to take
without doubting all that the Apostles declared to be revealed
; if the
Apostles spoke, he had to yield an internal assent of his mind; it
would not be enough to keep silence, it would not be enough not to
oppose it: it was not allowable to credit in a measure; it was not
allowable to doubt. No; if a convert had his own private thoughts of
what was said, and only kept them to himself, if he made some secret
opposition to the teaching, if he waited for further proof before he
believed it, this would be a proof that he did not think the Apostles
were sent from God to reveal His will; it would be a proof that he did
not in any true sense believe at all. Immediate, implicit submission
of the mind was, in the lifetime of the Apostles, the only, the
necessary token of faith; then there was no room whatever for what is
now called private judgement. No one could say: "I will choose my
religion for myself, I will believe this, I will not believe that
; I
will pledge myself to nothing; I will believe just as long as I
please, and no longer; what I believe to-day I will reject tomorrow,
if I choose. I will believe what the Apostles have as yet said, but I
will not believe what they shall say in time to come." No; either the
Apostles were from God, or they were not; if they were, everything
that they preached was to be believed by their hearers; if they were
not, there was nothing for their hearers to believe. To believe a
little, to believe more or less, was impossible; it contradicted the
very notion of believing: if one part was to be believed; it was an
absurdity to believe one thing and not another; for the word of the
Apostles, which made the one true, made the other true too; they were
nothing in themselves, they were all things, they were an infallible
authority, as coming from God. The world had either to become
Christian, or to let it alone; there was no room for private tastes
and fancies, no room for private judgement.

God bless,

John
 
Hi,

Sexual misconduct in the Protestant Church of England? Newman not because he was telling a falsehood, he lost because he had just recently converted to Catholicism 1847

I have grasped the situation, Achilli was claiming to have converted to Protestantism and was engaged in fervent anti-Catholic propaganda; Newman was not given a fair hearing and found guilty because of his conversion as a Catholic, not because he was untruthful.

But the Bible says your sins will find you out,
Code:
Achilli did not deter from more sexual escapades, seductions and affairs. He made alliances with exiled Italian nationalists but they were later to denounce him when he dishonestly took advantage of them.
Newman was later proven right, by Achilli’s own actions.

Trial is in 1851
Newman sent a deputation abroad to gather evidence and they returned with some of Achilli’s victims from Italy and Malta, willing to give evidence. However, the presiding judge, John Campbell, 1st Baron Campbell, refused the witnesses’ testimony and allegedly fuelled the jury’s prejudice against Newman.

After the trial

A leading article in The Times summarised liberal opinion when it described the proceedings as:
… indecorous in their nature, unsatisfactory in their result, and little calculated to increase the respect of the people for the administration of justice or the estimation by foreign nations of the English name and character. We consider that a great blow has been given to the administration of justice in this country, and that Roman Catholics will henceforth have only too good reason for asserting that there is no justice for them in cases tending to arouse the Protestant feelings of judges and juries

God bless,
John
 
How about contempt for by Protestants for the Roman Catholic Religion?

How about the denial that they stem from Catholicism?

tensions caused by what?? Differences!

if the see we are different, we know their different by denial of Catholic Doctrine, teachings, Sacred Tradtion… then how are we the same outside of Baptism?

God bless,
John
 
I am disappointed at the title of this forum. Protestants are not a different “religion” from Catholics. That’s a misuse of the term “religion.” Islam is a different religion from Christianity, but Protestants are part of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. This is acknowledged by most RC scholars.
Tom
As others have pointed out, protestants are in the same religion but not the same Church. Only the Catholic Church (both visible and in doctrine of other denominations) is one, holy, catholic and apostolic. Start by showing every doctrine of your denomination can be traced to the apostles or is the same as the CC’s (not in wording but in concept).
 
I sometimes get frustrated at the attitudes of some people on this forum.

The whole thrust of the Church at least since Vatican II has been of reconciliation looking at what we have in common, rather that insisting on what separates us.

The Church recognises as a member of the Christian Church anyone who is validly baptised, that is a trinitarian baptism. For instance the Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot be considered Christian as they do not accept the Trinity as we understand it.

The Church teaches that the Protestant churches are in imperfect union with the Catholic Church and that they are ecclesial communites rather than Churches, whilst the Orthodox Churches are ‘Churches’.

I suggest looking at the Catechism of The Catholic Church to see what is actually teaches.

Canon 838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptised who are honoured by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic Faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter. Those who believe in Christ and have been properly baptised are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church
With the Orthodox CHURCHES, this communion is so profound that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.”

If anyone cares to read further the Catechism reminds us of the special position of the Jews and Muslims - it states that these are also included in the plan of Salvation.

I feel that if people on this forum are unable to accept the above, then they are rejecting the teaching of the Church as stated in her official Catechism.

If you are Catholic and have faith. Thank God for it. Faith is a gift, do not codemn anyone who has not been blessed with this fullness of God’s gift.
 
I sometimes get frustrated at the attitudes of some people on this forum.

The whole thrust of the Church at least since Vatican II has been of reconciliation looking at what we have in common, rather that insisting on what separates us.

The Church recognises as a member of the Christian Church anyone who is validly baptised, that is a trinitarian baptism. For instance the Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot be considered Christian as they do not accept the Trinity as we understand it.

The Church teaches that the Protestant churches are in imperfect union with the Catholic Church and that they are ecclesial communites rather than Churches, whilst the Orthodox Churches are ‘Churches’.

I suggest looking at the Catechism of The Catholic Church to see what is actually teaches.

Canon 838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptised who are honoured by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic Faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter. Those who believe in Christ and have been properly baptised are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church
With the Orthodox CHURCHES, this communion is so profound that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.”

… Faith is a gift, do not codemn anyone who has not been blessed with this fullness of God’s gift.
Hi,
Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons deny Christ divinity as well as Islam, Jehovah witnesses deny Christ physical Resurrection, and that’s why they’re not a CHristian religion.

Baptism is not the only requirement, Belief in Jesus Christ as the Only Son of God, two natures: divine and Human, born of a virgin who died on the Cross for the Forgiveness of all mankind sins; then One baptism in the trinitarian formula gets you adopted into the Body of the Body Of Christ
I’m all for reconciliation, but not at the expense of making us look more Protestant.
We have our differences… we are not the same we are similar.

We have differences Vatican II opened the door to discuss our difference and to bring Protestants back into the fold. not by looking at what we have in common but by opening dialogue to that which separates us.

And the CCC above says the Catholic Church knows she is joined… "
Protestants believe the Catholic Church fell into apostasy in the 2nd / 3rd century, try telling them otherwise… Some reduce Mary to a vessel, the Eucharist to simply a remembrance community meal, no devotion to saints that have exemplified great faith in life and death.

And then there are those who believe the CC is the whore of Babylon… The KJV only people …etc etc… ever try discussing Catholicism with them.

Faiths outside the Catholic church are truncated religions, they are cut off from their roots, they may have the branches and leaves… Protestants must investigate their roots and consider whether the negative elements of the Reformation, such as extrinsic justification and the rejection of a definitive Church teaching authority and Tradition, are necessary to uphold the positive principles of sola gratia and the supremacy of Scripture.

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0097.html

God bless,
John
 
The name Protestant seems to have been first applied to the protesting princes by their opponents, and it soon came to be used indiscriminately of all the adherents of the reformed religion. Its use appears to have spread more rapidly outside Germany than in Germany itself, one cause of its popularity being that it was negative and colourless, and could thus be applied by adherents of the “old religion” to those of the “**new religion,” **
 
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