Protestants becoming Catholic

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Izdaari said:
So far as Iā€™m concerned, itā€™s not a big deal, whichever way they go. Iā€™m just happy if more people are Christians of any of the major traditions (Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox). If they find a Christian church (not a cult) that works for them, I"m all for it.
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Spoken like a true protestant!:)šŸ˜‰

Itā€™s very easy to find a church that ā€œworks for youā€. If you like gospel music, find a church that has a great choir, you like a fiery sermon, find a pastor that can deliver one, but where is the truth in that? Itā€™s really all about truth and that is all that should matter. A church should not concern itself with being entertaining or happy-go-lucky or teaching only the gospels that the pastor and congregants are comfortable with, it should only concern itself with teaching the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help us God. Itā€™s not simply about what feels good or what is easy or what makes us comfortable. Sometimes the truth can make us very uncomfortable, but through that discomfort, we grow as people of God. Without truth we donā€™t grow.

I urge you to be a truth seeker. Donā€™t be comfortable for the sake of being comfortableā€¦šŸ™‚
 
jimcav said:
Spoken like a true protestant!:)šŸ˜‰

Itā€™s very easy to find a church that ā€œworks for youā€. If you like gospel music, find a church that has a great choir, you like a fiery sermon, find a pastor that can deliver one, but where is the truth in that? Itā€™s really all about truth and that is all that should matter. A church should not concern itself with being entertaining or happy-go-lucky or teaching only the gospels that the pastor and congregants are comfortable with, it should only concern itself with teaching the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help us God. Itā€™s not simply about what feels good or what is easy or what makes us comfortable. Sometimes the truth can make us very uncomfortable, but through that discomfort, we grow as people of God. Without truth we donā€™t grow.

I urge you to be a truth seeker. Donā€™t be comfortable for the sake of being comfortableā€¦šŸ™‚
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I agree that truth is the most important thing, and it is the main thing I look for. I donā€™t personally care for fiery sermons; I prefer scholarly ones that teach me something I didnā€™t already know. But I donā€™t think the Catholic claim to have more of the truth than the Protestant or Orthodox traditions is accurate. Itā€™s not entirely false either; I think each of the three has some things more right than the other two.
 
Izdaari said:
I agree that truth is the most important thing, and it is the main thing I look for. I donā€™t personally care for fiery sermons; I prefer scholarly ones that teach me something I didnā€™t already know. But I donā€™t think the Catholic claim to have more of the truth than the Protestant or Orthodox traditions is accurate. Itā€™s not entirely false either; I think each of the three has some things more right than the other two.
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:confused: So truth is divisible by three?
 
pablope said:
:confused: So truth is divisible by three?
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In the sense that in order to have the complete Christian truth thatā€™s available to living humans, you would need to combine the best of all three traditions, yes.
 
Izdaari said:
In the sense that in order to have the complete Christian truth thatā€™s available to living humans, you would need to combine the best of all three traditions, yes.
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NO

You would need to combine what Christ is/did teach. That is found in and from his apostiles and those Christ left us: His Church, the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostalic Church:thumbsup:
 
Hamlet123 said:
NO

You would need to combine what Christ is/did teach. That is found in and from his apostiles and those Christ left us: His Church, the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostalic Church:thumbsup:
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Well, of course I disagree. If I believed the Catholic Church was and still is what Christ meant to establish, I would be Catholic. šŸ˜›
 
Izdaari said:
I agree that truth is the most important thing, and it is the main thing I look for. I donā€™t personally care for fiery sermons; I prefer scholarly ones that teach me something I didnā€™t already know. But I donā€™t think the Catholic claim to have more of the truth than the Protestant or Orthodox traditions is accurate. Itā€™s not entirely false either; I think each of the three has some things more right than the other two.
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And who are we, earthen vessels in the Potterā€™s hands, to determine which one is right and wrong. Or to what level an honorable vessel is of use or if the other vessels are for dishonorable use?

Truth should not suffer at the account of Love. Love without truth stops being love. Better silence and a prayer than a nod of acceptance when our hearts are not in agreement and our conscience is bound to the truth.
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
And who are we, earthen vessels in the Potterā€™s hands, to determine which one is right and wrong. Or to what level an honorable vessel is of use or if the other vessels are for dishonorable use?

Truth should not suffer at the account of Love. Love without truth stops being love. Better silence and a prayer than a nod of acceptance when our hearts are not in agreement and our conscience is bound to the truth.
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:clapping:
 
Izdaari said:
Well, of course I disagree. If I believed the Catholic Church was and still is what Christ meant to establish, I would be Catholic. šŸ˜›
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Izdarri, I am inferring from your statement here that you believe that Episcopalutheran is the Church Jesus meant to establish. Would this be correct?

Peace!!!
 
I wonder what the long-term effect of this will be. If itā€™s really the case that Roman Catholicism is going to dominate American conservative politics in the future, will it change in character from the days when the American colonies were established by Calvinists and such like? I suspect this might lead to a certain effeminization of American conservatism. That might be desirable - we shall have to see.
 
Indifferently said:
I wonder what the long-term effect of this will be. If itā€™s really the case that Roman Catholicism is going to dominate American conservative politics in the future, will it change in character from the days when the American colonies were established by Calvinists and such like? I suspect this might lead to a certain effeminization of American conservatism. That might be desirable - we shall have to see.
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ā€¦WHAT??? :confused: :confused:
 
Indifferently said:
I wonder what the long-term effect of this will be. If itā€™s really the case that Roman Catholicism is going to dominate American conservative politics in the future, will it change in character from the days when the American colonies were established by Calvinists and such like? I suspect this might lead to a certain effeminization of American conservatism. That might be desirable - we shall have to see.
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Would you please explain the bolded portion of your statement, please?
 
rfournier103 said:
Would you please explain the bolded portion of your statement, please?
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Iā€™ve just noticed a certain - how shall I say? - curiosity of character among the ā€˜traditionalistā€™ Roman Catholics I have met.

Their proclivity for pretty and colourful vestments (including lace), neat processions, professional, polyphonic music, subtlety, ornate gestures of the hands, adherence to such practices as ā€˜reception on the tongueā€™ (and accompanying abhorrence of those who do not observe the practice), the love of Italianate architecture and the Latin tongue, and reverence for celibacyā€¦ it sort of bleeds into the affected way in which some of them behave outside of church too (scurrilous gossip, a curious obsession with the sexual habits of others, and what have you).

The character traits these men exhibit are actually in many ways similar to the Spanish and Italians. I just wonder if this is seeping into American conservative society as well.
 
Indifferently said:
Iā€™ve just noticed a certain - how shall I say? - curiosity of character among the ā€˜traditionalistā€™ Roman Catholics I have met.

Their proclivity for pretty and colourful vestments (including lace), neat processions, professional, polyphonic music, subtlety, ornate gestures of the hands, adherence to such practices as ā€˜reception on the tongueā€™ (and accompanying abhorrence of those who do not observe the practice), the love of Italianate architecture and the Latin tongue, and reverence for celibacyā€¦ it sort of bleeds into the affected way in which some of them behave outside of church too (scurrilous gossip, a curious obsession with the sexual habits of others, and what have you).

The character traits these men exhibit are actually in many ways similar to the Spanish and Italians. I just wonder if this is seeping into American conservative society as well.
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I usually follow your train of thought but not today:confused:
 
Indifferently said:
Iā€™ve just noticed a certain - how shall I say? - curiosity of character among the ā€˜traditionalistā€™ Roman Catholics I have met.

Their proclivity for pretty and colourful vestments (including lace), neat processions, professional, polyphonic music, subtlety, ornate gestures of the hands, adherence to such practices as ā€˜reception on the tongueā€™ (and accompanying abhorrence of those who do not observe the practice), the love of Italianate architecture and the Latin tongue, and reverence for celibacyā€¦ it sort of bleeds into the affected way in which some of them behave outside of church too (scurrilous gossip, a curious obsession with the sexual habits of others, and what have you).

The character traits these men exhibit are actually in many ways similar to the Spanish and Italians. I just wonder if this is seeping into American conservative society as well.
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I was just wondering what you were really getting at. I think I get the idea.
 
Indifferently said:
I wonder what the long-term effect of this will be. If itā€™s really the case that Roman Catholicism is going to dominate American conservative politics in the future, will it change in character from the days when the American colonies were established by Calvinists and such like? I suspect this might lead to a certain effeminization of American conservatism. That might be desirable - we shall have to see.
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The resurgence of the modern American conservative movement, post WWII, centered on the National Review group, exemplified by William F. Buckley, Jr., was heavily RC. Iā€™ll take again, please.

GKC
 
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