Protestants becoming Catholic

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GKC said:
The resurgence of the modern American conservative movement, post WWII, centered on the National Review group, exemplified by William F. Buckley, Jr., was heavily RC. I’ll take again, please.

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I’m actually rather a fan of Patrick Buchanan, who doesn’t seem to exhibit the above traits.
 
Indifferently said:
I’m actually rather a fan of Patrick Buchanan, who doesn’t seem to exhibit the above traits.
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I am not a fan of Patrick Buchanan. But I suspect I missed which traits are referred to here. I just looked at your quoted post.

GKC

Added: ok, I saw it. I still will take the RC influence on American conservationism, redivivus. Anglo-Catholics are not scared of a little lace, with our liturgy.

GKC (whose daughter was a Latin teacher for 5 years.
 
Hamlet123 said:
NO

You would need to combine what Christ is/did teach. That is found in and from his apostiles and those Christ left us: His Church, the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostalic Church:thumbsup:
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So I assume that Jesus left us one church and one set of beliefs. He didn’t leave us a church of the First Baptist Church of Pahokee and another The Unitarians. He didn’t leave us two different beliefs systems Presdestination vs. Armenians.

If you accept the above, what criteria(s) does one use to determine The Church that Our Savior and Lord left us?:confused:
 
Indifferently said:
I’ve just noticed a certain - how shall I say? - curiosity of character among the ‘traditionalist’ Roman Catholics I have met.

Their proclivity for pretty and colourful vestments (including lace), neat processions, professional, polyphonic music, subtlety, ornate gestures of the hands, adherence to such practices as ‘reception on the tongue’ (and accompanying abhorrence of those who do not observe the practice), the love of Italianate architecture and the Latin tongue, and reverence for celibacy… it sort of bleeds into the affected way in which some of them behave outside of church too (scurrilous gossip, a curious obsession with the sexual habits of others, and what have you).

The character traits these men exhibit are actually in many ways similar to the Spanish and Italians. I just wonder if this is seeping into American conservative society as well.
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Judge much?
 
Indifferently said:
I was not passing judgement .

Merely relating an observation

and making a fairly liberal extrapolation (to guess or think about what might happen using information that is already known).
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:rolleyes:

In the Southern U.S. whenever a conversation starts with “Bless his/her heart…” you know it’s going to go downhill from there. It’s just another way of saying that they are not judging just passing an observation or just giving an opinion.

Meh… I call it like I see it.

Out of curiosity,
Have you observed any other Christian groups that might lead you to extrapolate a similar conclusion? Or is it reserved only for those that elicit a liberal attention?

:cool:
 
Indifferently said:
I’ve just noticed a certain - how shall I say? - curiosity of character among the ‘traditionalist’ Roman Catholics I have met.

Their proclivity for pretty and colourful vestments (including lace), neat processions, professional, polyphonic music, subtlety, ornate gestures of the hands, adherence to such practices as ‘reception on the tongue’ (and accompanying abhorrence of those who do not observe the practice), the love of Italianate architecture and the Latin tongue, and reverence for celibacy… it sort of bleeds into the affected way in which some of them behave outside of church too (scurrilous gossip, a curious obsession with the sexual habits of others, and what have you).

The character traits these men exhibit are actually in many ways similar to the Spanish and Italians. I just wonder if this is seeping into American conservative society as well.
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Wow. That is a pretty offensive post for a Catholic forum.

Did you seriously just call all Catholic men (or possibly only all liturgically traditional Catholic men), all Spaniards, and all Italians effeminate? And call it a curiosity of character?

Wow. How very 1920s England of you.

–Jen
 
adf417 said:
Izdarri, I am inferring from your statement here that you believe that Episcopalutheran is the Church Jesus meant to establish. Would this be correct?

Peace!!!
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No. There is in fact no such church as Episcopalutheran, at least so far as I am aware… But my church just happens to have both Episcopalian (TEC) and Lutheran (ELCA) affiliations.

I don’t actually think Christ intended to establish any particular earthly hierarchy or denomination(s), I believe in a universal church, but I think it’s visible only in the spiritual realm. and it consists of all who belong to Christ, whether Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox or whatever.
 
GKC said:
The resurgence of the modern American conservative movement, post WWII, centered on the National Review group, exemplified by William F. Buckley, Jr., was heavily RC. I’ll take again, please.

GKC
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I am very much a fan of William F. Buckley, Jr., and of his Catholic colleague at National Review, Garry Wills. I remain grateful to Buckley and NR for much of my vocabulary and my political education. But I was never Catholic, and I am no longer a political conservative, but a libertarian. .
 
Izdaari said:
Well, of course I disagree. If I believed the Catholic Church was and still is what Christ meant to establish, I would be Catholic. 😛
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This is a position of integrity.

So what was/is not as Christ meant to establish?
 
guanophore said:
This is a position of integrity.

So what was/is not as Christ meant to establish?
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I thank you for that recognition. 👍

But alas, no, that is too big a subject. Trying to debate that would be an endless can of worms. and I have not the time, energy or disputatiousness for it.

So, very briefly and without any intention to debate: My chief objection is that I don’t think Christ meant to establish any earthly hierarchy.

However, I do believe Catholicism is a valid form of Christianity, just not the uniquely valid form. And so, unlike some fundamental Baptist acquaintances of mine, I recognize Catholics as my brethren in the faith, my adephoi.
 
Izdaari said:
But alas, no, that is too big a subject. Trying to debate that would be an endless can of worms. and I have not the time, energy or disputatiousness for it.
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disputatiousness (noun) - an inclination to fight or quarrel

🤓
 
GKC said:
The resurgence of the modern American conservative movement, post WWII, centered on the National Review group, exemplified by William F. Buckley, Jr., was heavily RC. I’ll take again, please.

GKC
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I don’t remember Buckley wearing lace and enjoying processions…
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
:rolleyes:

In the Southern U.S. whenever a conversation starts with “Bless his/her heart…” you know it’s going to go downhill from there. It’s just another way of saying that they are not judging just passing an observation or just giving an opinion.

Meh… I call it like I see it.
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:rotfl:

I was so thinking those comments were a “bless his heart” moment lol. Stop thinking like me. It is scary! lol:eek:
 
Izdaari said:
I am very much a fan of William F. Buckley, Jr., and of his Catholic colleague at National Review, Garry Wills. I remain grateful to Buckley and NR for much of my vocabulary and my political education. But I was never Catholic, and I am no longer a political conservative, but a libertarian. .
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Well, ok for you.

Wills I read back in his NR days, long ago, and he wrote a not entirely bad book on Chesterton, one of the first I bought.

His opinions of late, while I still read bits and pieces of them, do not commend themselves to me.

GKC
 
GKC said:
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Well, ok for you.

Wills I read back in his NR days, long ago, and he wrote a not entirely bad book on Chesterton, one of the first I bought.

His opinions of late, while I still read bits and pieces of them, do not commend themselves to me.

GKC
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Do you read Peter Hitchens?
 
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