Protestants, can a Catholic Priest forgive sins?

[Crazy_Diamond]

1 Cor 11:20
When you meet in one place, then, it is not to eat the Lord’s supper,

I’ve often thought we’d view the Lord’s Supper differently if we started with verse 17:

Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.

 

[Peter_J]

I’ve often thought we’d view the Lord’s Supper differently if we started with verse 17:

Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.

Interesting. Differently how?

 

[Cinette]

You’ve got to be kidding. I have been told I am “not telling the truth” “I don’t believe you, Ginger2” and other such insinuations. And then I am told I am not being called a liar because the word “liar” was not used.

If you claim I am not telling the truth, what am I doing then? I said I was raised Catholic. If I was not raised Catholic, am not not lying by stating I was.

When a Catholic says to me, “I asked for the truth not a lie” how is that not calling me a liar? And if you claim that I myself have said I am a liar and not anyone else…is that taking responsibility for one’s words? Is saying I am “Just not honest” not calling me a liar?

And how is directly calling me “a liar” when I am telling the truth and then not apologizing for it, taking responsibility for your words?
mgrfin;3155546:

sheesh!

Are you saying that calling me a liar, makes me a liar?
I told the truth when I said I was raised Catholic. The truth does not change no matter how many times Catholics deny it.

First of all I want to say that if a person says something like “let’s be honest” doesn’t mean they are calling you a liar. Weeelll - saying that you are not telling the truth is more polite and acceptable and it is for you to prove otherwise.

Going back to the word Liar I wish to say this. My husband is Portuguese and I have lived in a Portuguese ex-Colony for a number of years, learnt the language and the culture and here is something I appreciated very much. In that culture, and I would imagine it would also apply to other Southern Europeans, to call anyone a Liar is the biggest insult and is a word to be avoided at all cost. If my children used that word I would almost put chili on their tongues. So I understand that you are offended and it is not worthy of anyone to call you that.

Having said that, I think that you are being a little hypersensitive to be offended with “I don’t believe you” because remember you are having a discussion and you are arguing from a different point of view and you don’t believe the other person as much as they don’t believe you. Obviously.

I think you are a very nice and sincere person and I am sure Benedictus also feels the same way. You must excuse all of us because we might be all worked up from another thread and then come on this one and haven’t cooled down yet!!! LOL

We are here to learn from one another. I know Benedictus from other threads and she is one person who is really very spiritual and knowledgeable.

So Ginger we can put on the boxing gloves and spar but we don’t need to hurt each other.

 

[Ginger2]

Cinette,

Let’s recap

OTCA asked if I had ever confessed to a Cath. priest and requested a simple “yes or no”.

I said “yes”

OTCA something like “I cannot believe you, because you are not Catholic”

I said I was raised Catholic.

OTCA said he requested , “A simple yes or no, not a lie…”

Then others joined in asking me to tell the truth whether or not I was really raised Catholic…

As tho asking me enough times will make me change my answer…

The truth doesn’t change. I was raised Catholic. It’s unfortunate, but I can’t change the past. (sic)

 

[Ginger2]

furthermore, we are not talking about my point of view on being Catholic - we are discussing the fact that I was raised Catholic (such a waste of energy)

My point of view can be right or wrong, but the church I belong to at a certain point in time is fact it is not a matter of opinion.

I’m just sick and tried of answering questions and being told I lying.

It’s a lose lose situation for me. I am criticized when I don’t answer off-topic questions…I am criticized for taking threads off-topic when I do.

And if Catholics don’t like the answer I give it is rejected and I am asked the same question over and over again.

Let’s all be honest!!! The question about me being raised Catholic must be an attempt to discredit me.
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Other wise what difference would it make?**

 

[Ginger2]

I am not going to talk about my past in this thread again unless it directly relates to this topic.

Anyone who wishes to continue in that direction I will ignore, so don’t waste your time.

 

[Cinette]

Cinette,

Let’s recap

OTCA asked if I had ever confessed to a Cath. priest and requested a simple “yes or no”.

I said “yes”

OTCA something like “I cannot believe you, because you are not Catholic”

I said I was raised Catholic.

OTCA said he requested , “A simple yes or no, not a lie…”

Then others joined in asking me to tell the truth whether or not I was really raised Catholic…

As tho asking me enough times will make me change my answer…

The truth doesn’t change. I was raised Catholic. It’s unfortunate, but I can’t change the past. (sic)

Ginger, I am a little embarrassed but what is OTCA???

 

[Peter_J]

Cinette,

Let’s recap

OTCA asked if I had ever confessed to a Cath. priest and requested a simple “yes or no”.

I said “yes”

OTCA something like “I cannot believe you, because you are not Catholic”

I said I was raised Catholic.

OTCA said he requested , “A simple yes or no, not a lie…”

Then others joined in asking me to tell the truth whether or not I was really raised Catholic…

As tho asking me enough times will make me change my answer…

The truth doesn’t change. I was raised Catholic. It’s unfortunate, but I can’t change the past. (sic)

Hi ginger,

It seems to me that you’re taking a give-the-sticky-wheel-the-grease approach; by which I mean, paying a lot of attention to rude posts and/or posts that don’t represent Catholicism very well.

I don’t entirely remember who said what on this thread (and I’m not going to go back and read it all again), but I do remember the post that called you a liar. Was I bothered by that post? You bet I was! But remember, THIS IS THE INTERNET! It’s basically impossible to stop people from putting stuff like that on the internet.

Might I politely suggest that you pay a little less attention to posts that call you a liar, and a little more attention to posts that make a sincere and reasonable attempt to convince you of the truth of Catholicism (or wrongness of Protestantism)?

 

[Peter_J]

I am not going to talk about my past in this thread again unless it directly relates to this topic.

Anyone who wishes to continue in that direction I will ignore, so don’t waste your time.

Now you’re talking!

 

[Peter_J]

Ginger, I am a little embarrassed but what is OTCA???

OTCA is one of the posters on this thread.

 

[Ginger2]

Ginger, I am a little embarrassed but what is OTCA???

lol I am always getting confused by initials on forums. I’m still not sure exactly what OP means… I think it is referring to the person who started the thread.

If I’m wrong, now is a perfect time for someone to correct me…

OTCA = OneTrueCathApos

 

[Cinette]

lol I am always getting confused by initials on forums. I’m still not sure exactly what OP means… I think it is referring to the person who started the thread.

If I’m wrong, now is a perfect time for someone to correct me…

OTCA = OneTrueCathApos

OP is original poster I am sure but OTCA:whacky:

 

[Peter_J]

lol I am always getting confused by initials on forums. I’m still not sure exactly what OP means… I think it is referring to the person who started the thread.

If I’m wrong, now is a perfect time for someone to correct me…

It can, but it can also mean the first post of the thread.

Yes, it’s confusing.

 

[Crazy_Diamond]

Yes, it’s confusing.

You’re so right.

OP = Original Poster
OTCA = OneTrueCathApos

 

[Crazy_Diamond]

Interesting. Differently how?

The passage we read for communion starts as a condemnation and correction of the division and disrespect displayed in the Corinthian church. If we started the reading with the condemnation, it would focus people on the character they display by their treatment of others instead of the rubrics of the ceremony.

Starting with vs 23,

For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

emphasizes “this is the tradition that was passed on to us, and we’re continuing it and doing it right”

Starting with vs 17,

Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.

raises the question, “are we as a church actually doing this in a way that honors Christ, not merely in ceremonial correctness but in our attitude and treatment toward one another, as Paul talked about?”

I realize everyone has a period of self-examination. The difference would come in evaluating the character of an ecclesial body as a whole. Nobody does it that way, so I suppose it’s a moot point.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

i’m not happy that I am the center of attention here, I never said Ginger2 was a liar. If you mistook what I said, then I apologize.
**Over the last few decades many Catholics have left the church, many dropping out of religion entirely, many joining other churches. But the traffic has not been in only one direction.
**The traffic toward Rome has increased rapidly. Today we are seeing more than a hundred and fifty thousand converts enter the Catholic church each year in the United States, and in other places, like Africa, there are more than a million converts to the Catholic faith each year. People of no religion, lapsed or inactive Catholics, and members of other Christian churches are “coming home to Rome”.
They are attracted to the Catholic church for a variety of reasons, but the chief reason they convert is the chief reason why you should be Catholic. THE SOLID TRUTH OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH.
Only the Catholic church was founded by Jesus, and only it has been able to preserve all Christian truth without any error—and great numbers of people are coming to see this.

 

[Crazy_Diamond]

**Over the last few decades many Catholics have left the church, many dropping out of religion entirely, many joining other churches. But the traffic has not been in only one direction.

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Your church has certainly had an incredibly interesting half-century. Personally, I kind of hope Benedict moves toward more rigorously tightening up and defining the beliefs and practices required of Catholics. It would certainly clear up a lot of post-Vatican II confusion on this website. I also think the traffic constituting the “cafeteria converts” would slow down that way, but would be more than made up for by more liturgically-minded folks from other traditions who aren’t sure which way the Vatican is going to move.

 

[Peter_J]

lol…

You asked for a “simple yes or no”.

I was raised Catholic.

i’m not happy that I am the center of attention here, I never said Ginger2 was a liar. If you mistook what I said, then I apologize.

Ginger2 and OneTrueCathApos,

I think this quote may be helpful. (In any case, who doesn’t like a good Screwtape quote?)

In civilized life domestic hatred usually expresses itself by saying things which would appear quiet harmless on paper but in such a voice or at such a moment, that they are not far short of a blow to the face. To keep this game up you and Glubose must see to it that each of the fools has a sort of double standard. Your patient must demand that all his own utterances are to be taken at face value while at the same time judging all his mothers utterances with the full and most oversensitive interpretation of tone and context and the suspected interpretation- and for the mother vise versa. So that henceforth from every quarrel that can both go away convinced that they are quite innocent. Once this habit is established you have the delightful situation of the human saying things with the purpose of offending yet having a grievance when offence is taken.

• The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis, pp. 17-18

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

Ginger2 and OneTrueCathApos,

I think this quote may be helpful. (In any case, who doesn’t like a good Screwtape quote?)

• The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis, pp. 17-18

What are you trying to say Peter?

 

[celticcrusader]

Has any listened to Bishop Fulton Sheen’s talk he recorded on confession, a true timeless classic worth listening to.