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Cinette
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Noone is denying that we must look to the Lord for forgiveness and mercy. As for confession - you will have to take that up with the Lord. It was his idea to empower the Priest to absolve sin!
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Cinette,
You’re probably going to think I’m too forward … but reading your recent posts (not just the ones I quoted above, others as well), quite frankly, I’m concerned.
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Cinette
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One thing you must guard against Ginger - Pride!
C S Lewis pointed out that Pride is the ROOT of all sin and he was so right!! You have to remind yourself that we are on these forums to debate, share and learn, Jesus told us to love one another and that is ESSENTIAL. You act as if this is a contest and forget that at the end of the day we are all Christians and believe in many core essentials - Trinity, Incarnation, Death and Ressurection of Jesus, Salvation… When we ARGUE like this we make the devil CHUCKLE - he loves it - he is in his element.
By being stubborn you are not making progress.
I wonder what G K Chesterton said about stubbornness? I don’t think stubbornness is very intelligent!
I recommend that you meditate on all the things that have been said on this thread - pray about it - and ask God to make you humble!
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Cinette
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*Concerned Peter? Then tell me why?Cinette,
You’re probably going to think I’m too forward … but reading your recent posts (not just the ones I quoted above, others as well), quite frankly, I’m concerned.
I am a revert who is learning about my faith every day. I came on these forums to debate, share and learn. If I am wrong then please correct me. You have to be more knowledgeable of the Faith! So? Why are you giving me one liners? Explain yourself! You obviously agree with Ginger and I find that interesting since you are Catholic! I have GOT to be missing something.
Unfortunately, I have to prepare for Mass and then I have a very busy day ahead so I will have to return this evening. I hope to find your explanation and as I said I am open to correction. How else can I learn?
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jay12
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For all of you protestants and catholics, only those who walk in light will be called people of Christ. You are wasting precious time
devating those points. Remember that while you are arguing about your believes there are Non-christian that need to be reached. And for those who had trown away the Holy doctrine of Christ to follow man-made “DOCTRINE,” you better start reading the Bible again. Remember that whoever walk in darkness will remain in darkness. No matter how much we defend false doctrine about Christ, at the end the Truth will defend itself…
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Hebrews 7:27 He has no need to offer sacrifices every day like high priests do, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since (Jesus) did this once for all when he sacrificed himself.
The sacrifices of the OT never washed away ours sins:
Hbr 10:4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hbr 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Hbr 10:15 [Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Luk 11:10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses
Hbr 10:18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
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Exactly! So the priest may say “your sins are forgiven” when those sins are judged to remain by Christ Jesus himself.
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Ginger2
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I will be leaving to go to my cousin’s funeral today.
The funeral is at the church I went to as a child. (Most of my family are still Catholic.)
So I probably won’t be on again today. As I had expected.
The funeral is at the church I went to as a child. (Most of my family are still Catholic.)
So I probably won’t be on again today. As I had expected.
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Leonius
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Reading all your posts I am very concerned about you Peter, Cinette on the other hand is doing a fine job defending the Church, which she clearly loves from false accusations as is her duty as a Catholic, you should try it some time instead of just making sycophantic comments in favour those who have set themselves up in opposition to Christ’s Church.Cinette,
You’re probably going to think I’m too forward … but reading your recent posts (not just the ones I quoted above, others as well), quite frankly, I’m concerned.
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llblarosa
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With reference to: DOCTRINE by Jay12
I have been told by many Protestants that they do not believe in “doctrine.” They say they only believe in “what Jesus said”.
This is utter nonsense. People of all faiths believe in doctrine, for doctrine is simply a system of beliefs.
When Jesus said, “do this in remembrance of me,” he was referring to communion, of course. We all agree on that. However, many Protestants teach that this is just a symbolic taking of Jesus’ flesh and blood, whereas Catholics believe in transubstantiation. Both ideas are doctrine. It necessarily involves some interpretation of Scripture.
The concept of the Trinity is a doctrine, and most Christians believe this one.
The concept of OSAS is a doctrine.
Any time a person reads words, there is some interpretation involved. We cannot escape it. For example, I say to my sons “put your soccer shirts on the table, so I can wash them,” and later I find one soccer shirt on the kitchen table and one on the coffee table. Each person heard the same words, but only one of my sons put the shirt where I actually wanted it, i.e. on the kitchen table. Moreover, the interpretation gets even more difficult when you cross cultural/language barriers. For example, in Russian, you cannot say “Let’s have some fun.” You can have “Let’s have a good time,” but it is not exactly the same.
To continue to mince words evidences the following:
Blessings,
Lisa
I have been told by many Protestants that they do not believe in “doctrine.” They say they only believe in “what Jesus said”.
This is utter nonsense. People of all faiths believe in doctrine, for doctrine is simply a system of beliefs.
When Jesus said, “do this in remembrance of me,” he was referring to communion, of course. We all agree on that. However, many Protestants teach that this is just a symbolic taking of Jesus’ flesh and blood, whereas Catholics believe in transubstantiation. Both ideas are doctrine. It necessarily involves some interpretation of Scripture.
The concept of the Trinity is a doctrine, and most Christians believe this one.
The concept of OSAS is a doctrine.
Any time a person reads words, there is some interpretation involved. We cannot escape it. For example, I say to my sons “put your soccer shirts on the table, so I can wash them,” and later I find one soccer shirt on the kitchen table and one on the coffee table. Each person heard the same words, but only one of my sons put the shirt where I actually wanted it, i.e. on the kitchen table. Moreover, the interpretation gets even more difficult when you cross cultural/language barriers. For example, in Russian, you cannot say “Let’s have some fun.” You can have “Let’s have a good time,” but it is not exactly the same.
To continue to mince words evidences the following:
- Lack of intellectual honesty. Every person has doubts about their faith. To say otherwise shows dishonesty. Have you never read a miracle in the Bible and said “Did that really happen that way.” Have you never doubted any teaching of your Church? When I was a Baptist, I doubted OSAS, but I will tell you that no one would entertain the doubt with me for even a moment. All I got in reply were the same standard, tired old phrases that made we want to vomit, because it was clear to me that the person I was talking to didn’t care to question it.
- General ignorance of the English language itself and the fact that words have layers of meaning. Words have denotative meanings and connotative meanings. This is one of the most difficult facets of language for people who learn a second language to understand. For example, take the words “famous” and “notrious.” I have seen students (I used to each at the college level) use these two words interchangeably. Are they, however, exactly synonymous? No. One has a negative connotation, i.e. “notorious.”
- Ignorance of logical reasoning and effective rhetoric (in its postive sense). For example, a person tells me “I believe that abortion is wrong because the unborn child is a living being with just as many rights as his mother,” but I say back to him, “Oh yeah, well you’re an idiot.” Clearly, the first person has a logical reason for believing what he believes. I may not agree with him, but his argument is logical and well-formed, rhetorically speaking. I can respect its thoughtfulness.
Blessings,
Lisa
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WindGirl
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My answer is NO. The veil in the temple has been rent. I have direct access to the Father through the only Priest I need, Jesus Christ.
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llblarosa
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For all:
Let us suppose for a moment that I give you a emerald ring.
Does this ring die, when I die? Or am I free to give it to another?
Can we not admit, at least intellectually, that whatever Jesus gave to Peter and the other apostles he intended to be carried on throughout the ages? Jesus would certainly have known that Peter would die. Was the gift only temporal? Jesus does not say that either.
Blessings,
Lisa
Let us suppose for a moment that I give you a emerald ring.
Does this ring die, when I die? Or am I free to give it to another?
Can we not admit, at least intellectually, that whatever Jesus gave to Peter and the other apostles he intended to be carried on throughout the ages? Jesus would certainly have known that Peter would die. Was the gift only temporal? Jesus does not say that either.
Blessings,
Lisa
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Leonius
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Where does Christ teach this?
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OneTrueCathApos
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Will you go to Christ on His condition, or on your own conditions? Christ decided that priests were necessary to His religion, gave to His church the Sacrament of Orders, and authority to His priests. You profess to believe in Christ, yet regard His appointments as a nonsensical farce.
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Cinette
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A question for Ginger and all Protestants on this thread.
Why *have you come to CAF? Is it to share and learn? Is it to debate respectfully with Catholics? (which so far has not been evident)
Is it to teach us about our Catholic faith which you feel we do not know or understand?
or do you have another Agenda?
Please, be honest, give a straightforward and truthful answer. Remember the Lord sees your heart and knows the truth regarding your intentions.
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Why *have you come to CAF? Is it to share and learn? Is it to debate respectfully with Catholics? (which so far has not been evident)
Is it to teach us about our Catholic faith which you feel we do not know or understand?
or do you have another Agenda?
Please, be honest, give a straightforward and truthful answer. Remember the Lord sees your heart and knows the truth regarding your intentions.
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WindGirl
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I’m sorry. I’m doing by best not to be disrespectful here but an opinion was asked and should I not be honest in my answer? Remember, I’m not Catholic. I disagree with your opinion, no offense. I am going to the Father on His conditions, not mine. I belong to Christ by faith in Him. I don’t see what you see in the NT Scriptures. I don’t believe there is any priesthood other than the priesthood of all believers. I don’t see anywhere that I have to go to another sinful human to get forgiveness of sins. Christ is my Priest. I go to the Father through Him. The temple veil has been torn from top to bottom, there is no longer any need for a priesthood standing between the people and God. I don’t agree at all with any of these things. I don’t want to get in trouble so I hope you take none of this the wrong way.
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John 14:6. Acts 4:12. Do you know what the tearing of the veil in the temple symbolizes? Dircect access to God for all who come through Christ. No more need of a high priest to go into the holy of holies once a year with a sacrifice. Jesus is that once for all permanent sacrifice.
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Cinette
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What you are saying is that you do not agree with Jesus - that is what it boils down to.
For you, Faith is a matter of opinion!
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OneTrueCathApos
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**Trouble is, this post has many “I’s” listed, I don’t believe, I am going to the Father, I disagree, I don’t agree…this all goes against what Christ teaches. It isn’t about you Windgirl, but about Christ. **
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