Protestants: Could you please do us all a favor??

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Judging from a few of the RCIA classes I know of… this might not be the greatest of suggestions.

I honestly thought the leader in the RCIA actually WAS a Protestant, they were so lacking on Catholic Truths.😊

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Could you please attend an RCIA class (finish it) before attempting to argue Catholic versus Protestant theology…

Yes, i suppose Catholics should study various Protestant theologies also… but i feel most Catholics on the forums have (more or less) done that…

I’m sorry, but it really rankles me when Protestants think they know Catholic theology and they so positively DO NOT!!

another source of information about the true Catholic faith can be found here at Catholic Answers…

I just don’t think it is right to attack something you do not understand…
IMO I don’t see how this is possible. To thoroughly understand the Catholic teachings/theology requires almost a degree on Theology. To study at least 2000yr history is a lot to ask. If they did chances are that they would be Catholic (not all).
 
Interesting topic, after I asked for help with responding to a Catholic Post yesterday and couldn’t get a single response after 300 hits… I asked for a clear understanding from a Catholic and couldn’t get it! I did not want the wrong information being put out there about the Catholic Church and then today I was accused of being anti-Catholic. Go figure!

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Peace!
what do you mean no response after 300 hits?? You aren’t very clear…
 
Judging from a few of the RCIA classes I know of… this might not be the greatest of suggestions.

I honestly thought the leader in the RCIA actually WAS a Protestant, they were so lacking on Catholic Truths.😊

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yeah… sad but true…
 
That one’s easy… 😃

It doesn’t. In fact, the church I grew up in taught abstinence, not contraception.

Why is this such a ‘slam dunk’ question in your opinion? :rolleyes:

Guess that is just the point of this thread. Before you start making accusations or being smug in what you THINK that another christian faith teaches or believes you may want to learn and ask questions…

Thanx for proving the point! 👍
Dear Singinbeauty,

My bad, its only a slam dunk about 97% of the time. I know there are Protestants out there who DO have a correct teaching about contraception.

I know that the Wisconsin Lutheran Evangelical Synod and a certiain few indepenant Baptists have the correct teaching. The
WELS are even more strict than Catholics. Even NFP is not allowed!

May I ask for a link that defines your church’s teachings about contraception?

I try to keep track of these churches so that I can keep them as references when discussing contraception with certain Protestants who deny the sinfulness of contraception.

Sorry for lumping you in with the others.
 
Dear Singinbeauty,

My bad, its only a slam dunk about 97% of the time. I know there are Protestants out there who DO have a correct teaching about contraception.

I know that the Wisconsin Lutheran Evangelical Synod and a certiain few indepenant Baptists have the correct teaching. The
WELS are even more strict than Catholics. Even NFP is not allowed?

May I ask for a link that defines your church’s teachings about contraception?

I try to keep track of these churches so that I can keep them as references when discussing contraception with certain Protestants who deny the sinfulness of contraception.

Sorry for lumping you in with the others.
Try the Presbyterians (PCA and OPC, NOT PCUSA).
 
Try the Presbyterians (PCA and OPC, NOT PCUSA).
Do you have links?

PCA had dead links.

OPC had this info in Q&A form.
The Bible does not, as far as I can tell, give us any proscription or prohibition with reference to contraception.
But other more conventional methods, such as the rhythm method, diaphragm, condoms, etc., are not forbidden in the Scripture. In this area I do believe that the Christian has liberty.
(Caution: “the pill”—an example of hormonal contraception—apparently can cause abortions, since it can prevent a fertilized egg from implantation. For that reason, it would be good for the Christian to avoid that method of “birth control” as well.)
Besides this, the OPC understanding of the Catholic teaching is outdated at best.
Thanks.
 
Perhaps we could all learn more about each others’ beliefs by asking, listening, and most importantly, participating in these duscussions by explaining what we believe, instead of trying to explain (and criticize) what others believe.
I have learned more about what Catholics believe by lurking and reading what Catholics here say, then checking out NewAdvent or something. I also have a basic Catechism.

For those wanting to learn about Lutheranism, I suggest the Book of Concord. It is online in a number of places, including bookofconcord.org. The Small Catechism is a good start.

Jon
👍 :clapping:
 
what do you mean no response after 300 hits?? You aren’t very clear…
Did you read my last response on the post for non- Catholics? I asked for Catholic clarification. The OP never came back to check on the post so we were left to flap in the wind…

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Re: looking for non-Catholic opinion

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Thanks! Wow, it shows you how out of things I was…I didn’t even know the “regular” CC lets people who are not priests give out communion! The only Catholic masses I’ve ever been to (1970s) were Tridentine ones, and only the priest does it there.

Emeraldcoast replied “Where are the Catholics when we need them to give us the straight scoop!!”😉

LOL–Now there are over 370 hits to that post and still no clarification from a Catholic!

God Bless!
 
I have no idea what my Protestant church’s official teaching on contraception is - they may not even have one - but I know I won’t be using any birth control at all when I marry…

I go to a very Catholic college with a lot of Catholic friends, own a Catechism, lurk around on here frequently, have read a lot of the Catholic Answers material, and am planning on majoring in theology. I think I’m probably an exception to the rule…

That being said, anyone who hangs around here for long with the intent to learn about Catholicism can hardly fail to do so!
 
Could you please attend an RCIA class (finish it) before attempting to argue Catholic versus Protestant theology…

Yes, i suppose Catholics should study various Protestant theologies also… but i feel most Catholics on the forums have (more or less) done that…

I’m sorry, but it really rankles me when Protestants think they know Catholic theology and they so positively DO NOT!!

another source of information about the true Catholic faith can be found here at Catholic Answers…

I just don’t think it is right to attack something you do not understand…
I understand pride when I see it. And, yet I have not had to take membership classes for Satanism.
 
  1. The level of knowledge of Protestant theology on here varies greatly, I do on occasion respond to posts by Catholics (my mistake perhaps) that clearly misrepresent Protestant theology (I’m ready to swear off this board for good if I see one more post complaining about “30,000 versions of the Protestant religion, or words to that effect”).
👍 I’ve seen that as well. And the thing is, there’s no charity in it. How any Catholic could justify using those words is beyond me. But if you ever question it or become offended as a Protestant they try and defend the phrase by saying “well, sometimes the truth is not easy to hear” :rolleyes:

I think the problem is that you are running into converts from the evangelical side of Protestantism. It’s really important for them to believe they have done the right thing in converting so they have to poke holes and belittle the Protestant faith as much as they can. Unfortunately, there is some popular apologists in the Catholic Church who come up with those key phrases. 30,000+ denominations is one they love to use. Another one is “mirror worshiping” which many evangelical converts love to accuse the Protestants of doing. 🤷

I personally feel the apologists need to dial it back, just teach the Catholic faith and stop trying to teach by showing how wrong the other side is.

Just my two cents…;)🙂
 
👍 I’ve seen that as well. And the thing is, there’s no charity in it. How any Catholic could justify using those words is beyond me. But if you ever question it or become offended as a Protestant they try and defend the phrase by saying “well, sometimes the truth is not easy to hear” :rolleyes:

I think the problem is that you are running into converts from the evangelical side of Protestantism. It’s really important for them to believe they have done the right thing in converting so they have to poke holes and belittle the Protestant faith as much as they can. Unfortunately, there is some popular apologists in the Catholic Church who come up with those key phrases. 30,000+ denominations is one they love to use. Another one is “mirror worshiping” which many evangelical converts love to accuse the Protestants of doing. 🤷

I personally feel the apologists need to dial it back, just teach the Catholic faith and stop trying to teach by showing how wrong the other side is.

Just my two cents…;)🙂
Excellent point (about the evangelical converts). The do seem to be among the most dogmatic and argumentative posters. (Certainly not all or even most evangelical converts fall into this category).

The reason I’m here is because I am interested in Catholicism. I start RCIA in a couple weeks. I have no idea if I will convert but I really do have an open mind. However, when I see attacks on Protestants I instinctively respond (or just leave). I’ve learned to ignore many of the baiting posts (the names may change, but the song remains the same–“Protestants, don’t you agree that your Church sucks and if you don’t agree that your Church sucks, explain why it doesn’t suck”)

If I ever convert it would be because the Holy Spirit convicted me that I should. Not because someone debated me into submission. I’m here because I’ve known (and attended Bible studies) with Catholics who were outstanding Christians. I respect almost everyone on the board, including the most dogmatic AND those who continually post the “Protestants, don’t you agree that…” posts. They are sincere. They may well be far better Christians that I. However, I’m not likely to be persuaded by their rhetoric and I doubt others are either.

On the other hand… I used to attend a non-denominational Bible study with my Platoon Commander in the Marine Corps. He was an outstanding Christian, and outstanding Catholic (I assume based on the way he lived his life). Despite the fact that he was Catholic and I describe myself as an evangelical fundamentalist, he and I never disagreed on issues of theology. There certainly were differences, but they weren’t important. The issues we faced, with living holy lives (or at least making some semblance of an effort to do so) in obediance to God’s Word were clear and it didn’t matter whether we were Catholic or Protestant. Obediance is far more important that theology.

I’m here because of the type of Christian Captain Franklin was, not because he won any debate with me over our theological differences.

End of rant.
 
Things that Protestants get wrong about Catholic theology.
I think one of the discussions we have my dh and I is about the Trinity, even though we are using the same words I think he has a different understanding. So he doesn’t understand my Catholic theology about it and thinks it is different but can not see the similarities ither. Even when we use the same words. There seems to come up a wall.
 
Could you please attend an RCIA class (finish it) before attempting to argue Catholic versus Protestant theology…

Yes, i suppose Catholics should study various Protestant theologies also… but i feel most Catholics on the forums have (more or less) done that…

I’m sorry, but it really rankles me when Protestants think they know Catholic theology and they so positively DO NOT!!

another source of information about the true Catholic faith can be found here at Catholic Answers…

I just don’t think it is right to attack something you do not understand…

Why not tell that to other Catholics, many of whom show a loathing for Protestantism which is in an inverse relation to their knowledge of it ?​

The ignorance & bigotry of some - not all - Catholics (there are many honourable exceptions) is a disgrace. But the bigots are the ones whose ignorance of what they attack makes Catholicism stink; & as a Catholic, I resent that bitterly.
 
I don’t think RCIA is the best place for a Protestant to learn all about Catholicism because at this time in history, there is no consistency in the way RCIA is taught at all the different parishes.

When my husband and I went through RCIA in 2003-2004, the lead teacher was an ex-Protestant college professor who compiled a team of teachers who taught liturgy, the Bible, etc. There were discussions and homework and a GIANT binder filled with articles and worksheets. There was a media person who brought in videos, DVDs, CDs, and books that we were all free to borrow (and people borrowed them–they were awesome!)

And as if all that wasn’t enough, we also had at least two dozen priests who took turns each week giving us the theology lesson. It was fantastic. We got to know so many excellent priests in our diocese, and to this day, when I see one of them, I remember the talk that he gave during our RCIA class.

And it lasted–not exaggerating!–from 6:30 P.M. until 9: 30 P.M. EVERY Monday night from the first of September right up until April 10 Easter Vigil, and we had a two weeks of followup classes after the Easter Vigil. We only had one week of break, during Christmas. There were no “off nights.”

The classes were videotaped and if you missed a session, you were expected to view it on the videotape before you attended the next session.

There were about 30 people in our RCIA class, and as far as I can see, most of these people are still faithful to attend Mass and are involved in the Church.

You can see why my signature says, “RCIA Class of 2004 ROCKS!” It was an awesome class. There were times we all felt like our heads were exploding with knowledge. It was run like a college class. NO ONE felt like our time was being wasted.

My husband became part of the “team” for the next two years, and he was in charge of making sure that everyone had a sponsor, and that the sponsors attended the classes or at least were knowledgeable about what they were actually doing by sponsoring a person.

However, this year, the parish changed RCIA because the convert who taught the class asked for a leave because of illness in the family. So this year, one priest taught it. It met every other week for one hour. It was strictly him lecturing.

Interestingly, it started out with about two dozen people, but only 9 people stuck with it and were received into the Church. It was the lowest number received in the Parish for years.

So this year, at the request of the monsigneur, the convert is BACK! YAY! And my husband will once again serve on the team.

Anyway, whether or not a Protestant learns anything all depends on how the RCIA class is conducted.

My suggestion is that the Protestant consider reading a few of the really good modern books about the Catholic Church. I think even the Compendium is a little much for many Protestants. But a book like Evangelical is Not Enough by Thomas Howard is excellent (especially for evangelicals). Also books by Scott Hahn. I’m sure that others can suggest really good Catholic books that will help Protestants make sense out of the Church.

I disagree that a person needs a degree in theology to understand the Catholic Church. Certainly to understand it at the level of the priest, the bishop, or the Pope, advanced degrees are needed. But for the layperson, it’s not that complicated.

Finally–I think that many CATHOLICS should spend some time studying their theology instead of studying the rubrics of the Mass. I think a lot of people get caught up, fascinated, by their study of “how” things should be done and all the “rules” of Mass, and they forget about WHAT their Church actually teachers. It seems to me that some of the Catholics on this Forum are willing to forget all about Charity and Humility and concentrate instead on denouncing abuses in the Mass and condemning certain bishops, parishes, and fellow Catholics as “modernist.”
 
Interesting topic, after I asked for help with responding to a Catholic Post yesterday and couldn’t get a single response after 300 hits… I asked for a clear understanding from a Catholic and couldn’t get it! I did not want the wrong information being put out there about the Catholic Church and then today I was accused of being anti-Catholic. Go figure!

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Peace!
I didn’t see your post. Can you provide a link? The links above aren’t to posts by you. ???

Edit -

I did a search and found this

"I am sure that someone on the board will tell me that I am wrong if I give you the wrong information…

An EMOHC is a “normal” person(not an ordained person like a priest or deacon) that is able to give out communion during Mass when the priest needs help. My understanding also is that the EMOHC will also bring communion to the shut-ins and nursing homes–stuff like that.

Peace!"

Is that the post you’re complainging about. Buried in a thread that was addressed to non-Catholics?! 😃

You are correct. People help out as EM’s, and they do take communion to people who can’t get to Mass.

You already knew the answer–and you knew you knew–so what’s the deal?

You have your pat on the back from a Catholic for getting it right.

Happy Sunday. 😉
 
Interesting topic, after I asked for help with responding to a Catholic Post yesterday and couldn’t get a single response after 300 hits… I asked for a clear understanding from a Catholic and couldn’t get it! I did not want the wrong information being put out there about the Catholic Church and then today I was accused of being anti-Catholic. Go figure!

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Peace!
Somehow I find it decietful that someone would come to Catholic Answers forum and ask for non catholic answers.
Does anyone else see the irony in that.
Well obviously if you are here you are looking for answers so I wish you the best you have come to the right place. You might also try the Caticism of the Catholic Church you can find it at vatican.va. There you will find what all catholics are supposed to believe. But we are not perfect either we are also continually learning.
May god Bless you all on your journey
your humble servant, jim 😃
 
It’s not only Protestants that do this. I would suggest that some of our Catholic brethren who have come here lately to argue against the Church’s Teachings attend more in-depth catechesis before spilling opinions. :rolleyes:
I agree wholeheartedly, I think some lukewarm, poorly taught, or cafeteria Catholics do as much harm as those who are anti-catholic.
 
I don’t think RCIA is the best place for a Protestant to learn all about Catholicism because at this time in history, there is no consistency in the way RCIA is taught at all the different parishes.

When my husband and I went through RCIA in 2003-2004, the lead teacher was an ex-Protestant college professor who compiled a team of teachers who taught liturgy, the Bible, etc. There were discussions and homework and a GIANT binder filled with articles and worksheets. There was a media person who brought in videos, DVDs, CDs, and books that we were all free to borrow (and people borrowed them–they were awesome!)

And as if all that wasn’t enough, we also had at least two dozen priests who took turns each week giving us the theology lesson. It was fantastic. We got to know so many excellent priests in our diocese, and to this day, when I see one of them, I remember the talk that he gave during our RCIA class.

And it lasted–not exaggerating!–from 6:30 P.M. until 9: 30 P.M. EVERY Monday night from the first of September right up until April 10 Easter Vigil, and we had a two weeks of followup classes after the Easter Vigil. We only had one week of break, during Christmas. There were no “off nights.”

The classes were videotaped and if you missed a session, you were expected to view it on the videotape before you attended the next session.

There were about 30 people in our RCIA class, and as far as I can see, most of these people are still faithful to attend Mass and are involved in the Church.

You can see why my signature says, “RCIA Class of 2004 ROCKS!” It was an awesome class. There were times we all felt like our heads were exploding with knowledge. It was run like a college class. NO ONE felt like our time was being wasted.

My husband became part of the “team” for the next two years, and he was in charge of making sure that everyone had a sponsor, and that the sponsors attended the classes or at least were knowledgeable about what they were actually doing by sponsoring a person.

However, this year, the parish changed RCIA because the convert who taught the class asked for a leave because of illness in the family. So this year, one priest taught it. It met every other week for one hour. It was strictly him lecturing.

Interestingly, it started out with about two dozen people, but only 9 people stuck with it and were received into the Church. It was the lowest number received in the Parish for years.

So this year, at the request of the monsigneur, the convert is BACK! YAY! And my husband will once again serve on the team.

Anyway, whether or not a Protestant learns anything all depends on how the RCIA class is conducted.

My suggestion is that the Protestant consider reading a few of the really good modern books about the Catholic Church. I think even the Compendium is a little much for many Protestants. But a book like Evangelical is Not Enough by Thomas Howard is excellent (especially for evangelicals). Also books by Scott Hahn. I’m sure that others can suggest really good Catholic books that will help Protestants make sense out of the Church.

I disagree that a person needs a degree in theology to understand the Catholic Church. Certainly to understand it at the level of the priest, the bishop, or the Pope, advanced degrees are needed. But for the layperson, it’s not that complicated.

Finally–I think that many CATHOLICS should spend some time studying their theology instead of studying the rubrics of the Mass. I think a lot of people get caught up, fascinated, by their study of “how” things should be done and all the “rules” of Mass, and they forget about WHAT their Church actually teachers. It seems to me that some of the Catholics on this Forum are willing to forget all about Charity and Humility and concentrate instead on denouncing abuses in the Mass and condemning certain bishops, parishes, and fellow Catholics as “modernist.”
Your very fortunate to have such great RCIA classes but I think thats pretty rare situation. I have taken several, (RCIA) with ones I have encouraged to take them and I had to do a lot of filling in for the non-catholic, except for the ones that were taught by a priest. Over the past 40 years I have probably been through 25-30 different Adult Instruction classes with prospective converts, but the ones that were the best were taught by a priest. In the days before RCIA, only priests taught them. I agree. all RCIA classes should be done the same, it should not be up to the ones running it as to what is taught. I went to one where the Lady conducting it didn’t even know the Apostles Creed.
 
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