Protestants Created the New Mass?

[Sword_Brethren]

I have this booklet titled, Welcome to The Traditional Latin Mass. It states on page 8 that, "A Vatican commission was formed to change the Mass, and among the participants were six Protestants. On June 27, 1967, Bishop William Baum told The Detroit News that “they [were] not simply there as observers, but as consultants as well, and they participate fully in the discussions on Catholic liturgical renewal. It wouldn’t mean much if they just listened, but they contributed.”
I don’t know if this is a true or not.

 

[MarkThompson]

I have this booklet titled, Welcome to The Traditional Latin Mass. It states on page 8 that, "A Vatican commission was formed to change the Mass, and among the participants were six Protestants. On June 27, 1967, Bishop William Baum told The Detroit News that “they [were] not simply there as observers, but as consultants as well, and they participate fully in the discussions on Catholic liturgical renewal. It wouldn’t mean much if they just listened, but they contributed.”
I don’t know if this is a true or not.

I believe that pamphlet is by Anthony Cekada, a radical sedevacantist schismatic who got booted out of the SSPX long ago for his unconscionable views. If memory serves, he now runs around with some self-styled bishop in a Cincinnati suburb, or maybe they’ve excommunicated each other, I don’t remember. He’s a particularly nutty one, always yelling about the “false religion” of Rome and the like; I wouldn’t give a moment’s thought to anything he said about about the Church if I were you.

 

[ProVobis]

I don’t know if this is a true or not.

If they didn’t even passively participate, it begs the question, why were they even invited? For show? They didn’t want to be excluded? Why would they even be interested? Somehow I just can’t seem to picture a group of six men not providing some (name removed by moderator)ut, which was either ignored altogether or acknowledged or accepted in principle. The definition of the New Mass itself leads one to at least suspect they had heavy influence on the New Mass.

 

[manualman]

According to Fr. Richard Simon on Relevant Radio last night (also known as Father know-it-all), Archbishop Bugnini’s commission that developed the new liturgy initially presented a draft to Paul VI that NOWHERE contained reference to the mass as a sacrifice.

While many of us find much of the flavor and tone of the translation of the NO “dumbed down” and banalized, it appears that things could have been much worse if not for P6’s limited intervention on the matter. It appears that he may have had to pick his fights carefully.

Naturally a popular radio broadcast did not include references or a bibliography, but I suspect you could find him easily enough and get references if you like.

On the other hand, he did use the “stripped of” quote that another poster above says is a distortion of Bugnini’s words by Archbishop Lefebrve.

 

[Timothysis]

I have this booklet titled, Welcome to The Traditional Latin Mass. It states on page 8 that, "A Vatican commission was formed to change the Mass, and among the participants were six Protestants. On June 27, 1967, Bishop William Baum told The Detroit News that “they [were] not simply there as observers, but as consultants as well, and they participate fully in the discussions on Catholic liturgical renewal. It wouldn’t mean much if they just listened, but they contributed.”
I don’t know if this is a true or not.

On July 4, 1976, the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship unequivocally declared: “The Protestant observers did not participate in the composition of the texts of the new Missal.”( Documentation Catholique #58, 1976, page 649).

So who are we to believe; the Holy See or your little booklet?

 

[Timothysis]

If they didn’t even passively participate, it begs the question, why were they even invited? For show? They didn’t want to be excluded? Why would they even be interested? Somehow I just can’t seem to picture a group of six men not providing some (name removed by moderator)ut, which was either ignored altogether or acknowledged or accepted in principle. The definition of the New Mass itself leads one to at least suspect they had heavy influence on the New Mass.

Why do you not apply the same standard to the protestant observers at Trent? In fact, several sessions were delayed to give the observers adequate time to arrive. * If they didn’t even passively participate, it begs the question, why were they even invited? For show? They didn’t want to be excluded? Why would they even be interested? Somehow I just can’t seem to picture a group of protestant observers not providing some (name removed by moderator)ut, which was either ignored altogether or acknowledged or accepted in principle… *

 

[AJV]

According to Fr. Richard Simon on Relevant Radio last night (also known as Father know-it-all), Archbishop Bugnini’s commission that developed the new liturgy initially presented a draft to Paul VI that NOWHERE contained reference to the mass as a sacrifice.

Actually that’s no quite true. You can very easily confirm it since all the schema are now open (actually I think some have been published in a book) and you can view them by writing to Rome to ask for permission to access the archives of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints. Actually I think the ICEL Secretariat also has a copy in Washington though I can’t testify as to how complete that is. But the claims are basically spurious - with good reason, sicne most of them were cooked up when it was harder to gain access to the manuscripts.

 

[AJV]

I have this booklet titled, Welcome to The Traditional Latin Mass. It states on page 8 that, "A Vatican commission was formed to change the Mass, and among the participants were six Protestants. On June 27, 1967, Bishop William Baum told The Detroit News that “they [were] not simply there as observers, but as consultants as well, and they participate fully in the discussions on Catholic liturgical renewal. It wouldn’t mean much if they just listened, but they contributed.”
I don’t know if this is a true or not.

If they contributed to the Ordinary, evidently it wasn’t that much since the basic outline was established well before they came on the scene.

 

[ProVobis]

Actually that’s no quite true.

Unless someone tells him/her that it is the Holy Sacrifice, one could easily associate the Presentation of the Gifts (made with human hands, spiritual drink, etc.) with a sacrifice totally different than the Holy Sacrifice.