Protestants do not really believe in Sola Scriptura

[dbonneville]

I’ll trust in God, not rome for now. I can do no other

Martin Luther:
“Do not ask anything of your conscience; and if it speaks, do not listen to it; if it insists, stifle it, amuse yourself; if necessary, commit some good big sin, in order to drive it away. Conscience is the voice of Satan, and it is necessary always to do just the contrary of what Satan wishes.”

Also…

According to tradition, Luther is said to have spoken these words: “Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders. Gott helfe mir. Amen.” (“Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me.”)[1] Most scholars now question whether these famous words were actually spoken, however, since only the last four appear in contemporary accounts. Indeed, the full sentence appears in an account by Philip Melanchthon, one of Luther’s most ardent sympathisers, but only the last four words are recorded in a similar first hand account by Johannes Cochlaeus.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_of_Worms

Now even Luther’s great confession is a tradition! Confused yet!

 

[historyb]

This means “I interpret Scripture”, based on the testimony of the usage of the phrase. Maybe it meant something else at one time (maybe not), but it has sure come to mean only one thing - that “I” decide what Scripture says about itself. That is functionally the outcome, no matter the intent. Simply look around. Read anything by two different Protestants. Roomful of mirrors, and agony of soul.

No, that is a catholic myth

 

[historyb]

Martin Luther:
“Do not ask anything of your conscience; and if it speaks, do not listen to it; if it insists, stifle it, amuse yourself; if necessary, commit some good big sin, in order to drive it away. Conscience is the voice of Satan, and it is necessary always to do just the contrary of what Satan wishes.”

Also…

According to tradition, Luther is said to have spoken these words: “Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders. Gott helfe mir. Amen.” (“Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me.”)[1] Most scholars now question whether these famous words were actually spoken, however, since only the last four appear in contemporary accounts. Indeed, the full sentence appears in an account by Philip Melanchthon, one of Luther’s most ardent sympathisers, but only the last four words are recorded in a similar first hand account by Johannes Cochlaeus.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_of_Worms

Now even Luther’s great confession is a tradition! Confused yet!

Nope, I intended that

 

[po18guy]

I am and it doesn’t lead to rome, also while the Church Fathers were wise they could be wrong when held up to the light of Scripture

Well, relying solely on the bible is akin to claiming that Cliff’s Notes are as complete as the book on which they are based. Impossible. And the bible, inspired as it is, is only the Cliff’s Notes of Christ. I want more than that.

Every word in Cliff’s Notes is true to the book on which it is based. But, those notes remain only a synopsis, and are incomplete. In the same way, I absolutely believe that the bible tells us, infallibly, that it is incomplete.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit, Who accomplishes all conversion, will enlighten you.

Christ’s peace.

 

[historyb]

Well, relying solely on the bible is akin to claiming that Cliff’s Notes are as complete as the book on which they are based. Impossible. And the bible, inspired as it is, is only the Cliff’s Notes of Christ. I want more than that.

Every word in Cliff’s Notes is true to the book on which it is based. But, those notes remain only a synopsis, and are incomplete. In the same way, I absolutely believe that the bible tells us, infallibly, that it is incomplete.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit, Who accomplishes all conversion, will enlighten you.

Christ’s peace.

Thank you, He has

 

[dbonneville]

No, that is a catholic myth

Protestant confusion is a myth? I beg to differ. I haven’t even been to reconciliation this week and as I said was on track to become and Anglican priest. Anglicans do the “I interpret Scripture” better than any group. That’s why it’s utterly impotent to stop liberal Episcopals from stealing the chickens from the coup. I speak from experience first and foremost, and secondarily from the clear testimony of history. This is no myth. It’s a myth that it’s a myth!

 

[historyb]

No the “I” interpet Scripture is a myth and not a part of Sola Scriptura

 

[po18guy]

No, that is a catholic myth

Your attitude suggests that you were never in the Tiber. Your words, accusations and insinuations contain hostility, even animosity toward the Church. That is not the attitude of a seeker. It certainly sounds judgmental.

I do not condemn your current faith tradition. I tell you only that there is more truth, the fulness of God’s revelation, in the Catholic Church, which was founded by Christ on Simon/Kepha.

This is not a contest, except between God and the evil one. The demon sows the seeds of division. The Holy Spirit leads only to unity.

 

[dbonneville]

I should add that it took a tremendous leap of faith on my part to trust Rome. I gave up, died to, renounced faith in myself and the idea, though it could still yet be true, that Scripture interprets Scripture. The minute I let go of it, like some crazy dog on a leash at the park, it took off. I thought if I let go, and it’s true, Rome will offer no comfort, and like a reasonable things, will remain reasonable. Well, the dog didn’t come back. And I’m greatly comforted, though having just terminated my ordination track. My kids and wife are delighted. She’s converting too…

Benedict just said this past week that Paul’s conversion wasn’t based on a logical argument, and was not a conversion in that sense at all. It was an encounter with the Jesus. Of course you have had that, but the way to more will not be through Bible study, if this is where you have got yourself to. You won’t find any comfort, and haven’t so far. Why would that change all of a sudden?

 

[po18guy]

I am and it doesn’t lead to rome, also while the Church Fathers were wise they could be wrong when held up to the light of Scripture

Then, test the spirit which leads you. As I said, the demon leads to division. Only the Holy Spirit unites.

 

[Mea_Culpa]

No the “I” interpet Scripture is a myth and not a part of Sola Scriptura

OK, Matthew 16:17-19 says:
And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
[18] And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
[19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

This clearly teaches that Jesus founded a Church, that he founded it on Peter (the Rock, Petras), that he promised that the powers of death shall not prevail against it, that what the Church binds on earth will be bound in heaven and what is loosed on earth will be loosed in heaven.

In other words, this is Jesus founding the Catholic Church.

Very clear. No interpretation needed.

Can you show me the clear teaching of sola scriptura in the Bible?

 

[historyb]

I should add that it took a tremendous leap of faith on my part to trust Rome. I gave up, died to, renounced faith in myself and the idea, though it could still yet be true, that Scripture interprets Scripture. The minute I let go of it, like some crazy dog on a leash at the park, it took off. I thought if I let go, and it’s true, Rome will offer no comfort, and like a reasonable things, will remain reasonable.

Benedict just said this past week that Paul’s conversion wasn’t based on a logical argument, and was not a conversion in that sense at all. It was an encounter with the Jesus. Of course you have had that, but the way to more will not be through Bible study, if this is where you have got yourself to. You won’t find any comfort, and haven’t so far. Why would that change all of a sudden?

I have seldom found comfort in rome since I converted 10 yrs. ago, through the entire journey I have always had doubts. I went back and forth so many times that I question myself and truly what is right, I wish I knew why I do it.

For so many times I have hurt my testimony by going back and forth, will it ever stop or am I doomed to roam forever.

I do though when I have returned to my Protestant roots. I’m just thinking right now, but I like a good argument.

 

[po18guy]

No the “I” interpet Scripture is a myth and not a part of Sola Scriptura

OK. So, who on earth was given the authority to interpret? Who has it today? You and I? Certainly not. We need a leader, as Christ appointed a leader. A lie will not persist. It will not stand the test of time. The Catholic Church is the oldest and largest organization on earth. There’s a reason.

The “Protestant unity” of Luther lasted only a few years and has been crumbling ever since. What’s the denomination body count now? 33,000? 35,000? 40,000? That does, in no way, reflect the unity taught by Christ.

 

[dbonneville]

I have seldom found comfort in rome since I converted 10 yrs. ago, through the entire journey I have always had doubts. I do though when I have returned to my Protestant roots. I’m just thinking right now, but I like a good argument.

Well, don’t be like Moses striking the rock in the meantime. Onward to Rome, and the obedience of faith…

May God bless you and may comfort displace confusion in your life.

Douglas

 

[historyb]

OK. So, who on earth was given the authority to interpret? Who has it today? You and I? Certainly not. We need a leader, as Christ appointed a leader. A lie will not persist. It will not stand the test of time. The Catholic Church is the oldest and largest organization on earth. There’s a reason.

Scripture interprets Scripture

The “Protestant unity” of Luther lasted only a few years and has been crumbling ever since. What’s the denomination body count now? 33,000? 35,000? 40,000? That does, in no way, reflect the unity taught by Christ.

It’s not that big about 6 main ones with branches from there within the same denominations, kind of like Linux ( for Computers) there a 5 main distro’s with many branches.

 

[historyb]

Well, don’t be like Moses striking the rock in the meantime. Onward to Rome, and the obedience of faith…

May God bless you and may comfort displace confusion in your life.

Douglas

Thank for me it’s onward to Christ all others second including rome if needed

 

[dbonneville]

It’s not that big about 6 main ones with branches from there within the same denominations, kind of like Linux ( for Computers) there a 5 main distro’s with many branches.

And like so many linux distros, they trail off into oblivion…

I fear to think you think that Christianity has some kind of relation to the progression of Linux development in the open source community. Christianity is not an community effort. That would be juvenile at best, demonic at worst. Forgive me for the leap of logic.

But hey, at least the analogy holds up in that Linux is…a copy of the real deal UNIX with letters changed…to match the name of Linus T. who created it

 

[po18guy]

It’s not that big about 6 main ones with branches from there within the same denominations, kind of like Linux ( for Computers) there a 5 main distro’s with many branches.

Which begs the point: Christ founded one church, and desired unity and obedience. It’s either the original church, or none at all. This has all been thought about, pondered, sacrificed, lived and died by those worthies who have gone before us. We benefit from their spirituality, and from the shedding of their blood.

Christ’s peace.

 

[po18guy]

I am and it doesn’t lead to rome, also while the Church Fathers were wise they could be wrong when held up to the light of Scripture

You do not and cannot understand the One Church, as long as you rely solely on a small portion of the deposit of faith. You are essentially trying to read without glasses. You pick up a bit here and there, but comprehension lacks.

You speak and understand Protestant. It is a dialect of Catholic Christianity, but many words you will not understand. While you are seeking the truth, plead for the leading of the Holy Spirit, and even if you do not convert, you will at least understand why we believe what we do.

Christ’s peace.

 

[KathleenElsie]

Thank you, He has

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