Protestants do not really believe in Sola Scriptura

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It is interesting you say all man, of course that’s another thread. 🙂

Yes Christ does, Scriptures even say God’s Word will not return void, but curiously not one word about one man being infallible or in control of Christ Church.
so you believe in sola scriptura???
 
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Incidently, my friends 85 year old Protestant dad
went through the RCIA with me and joined the church as well. Just goes to show you----
IT’S NEVER TOO LATE as long as you have breath.
Wow… What an inspiring story…

So all my evangelizing about the Church may not be a waste of time after all?? 😃
 
I have yet to see your defintion of SS. Can you provide one so we can if that defintion fits?
you surely use that tactic a lot … of going into definitions that are aleady understood… . Have you run out of things to say?

not surprising…
 
Do we find in the Scriptures that they are inspired-inerrant? Do the Scriptures themselves testify to this?
To some extent. The term “inerrant” was applied by the Church.
you surely use that tactic a lot … of going into definitions that are aleady understood… . Have you run out of things to say?
I proposed that ALL the definitions of SS were inclusive, since none of them are found in Scripture, it is irrelevant which one we use.

Yes, he conceded that SS is not found in scripture.
 
Nope, I get tired of Catholic games and I done it. It’s time for you to put up or shut up where are all your doctrines in Scripture. Prove them, prove Mariaism and that she was sinless from Scripture, prove infallibility from Scripture, prove countless of your other doctrines.

I’ll wait.
Catholics do not believe every spiritual truth comes only from the Bible or that all one needs for salvation is found in the Bible… although most of us do see that if a person would just read the Bible… he may have a good chance of getting to Heaven if he were to obey what is written therein… Only problem is, i know very few Protestants who read the Bible thoroughly (and i know that even when they do read it, they don’t understand certain parts because some of those passages… No, ALL of them… sound a little too Catholic…so they skip over them). Anyway…

Mary: The New Ark of the Covenant… mentioned in Revelation (12?, etc…).

“All generations will call me blessed…” (all peoples who are Catholic, i guess…)

Adam & Eve were created sin-less… Couldn’t God do that again, for the new ark that was going to hold Himself?? (You do know about the ark of the Covenant mentioned in Chronicles in the Old T?)

Purgatory: 1 Cor 3:13… St. matthew 18:23, st. Matthew 12;32 (forgiveness in the next age), Revelation 21:27 (no impure thing will enter Heaven… What if a person is Crhistian but not pure enough for Heaven. Do you think God throws him into eternal Hell?? )

Anyway, this is enough for now… Maybe you could look these up and we could go from there… God bless… 🙂
 
To some extent. The term “inerrant” was applied by the Church.

I proposed that ALL the definitions of SS were inclusive, since none of them are found in Scripture, it is irrelevant which one we use.

Yes, he conceded that SS is not found in scripture.
What??

He believes something that is not found in Scripture?? :eek:

Oh my goodness… He’s just turned into a Catholic!!! 😃
 
Originally Posted by justasking4
I have yet to see your defintion of SS. Can you provide one so we can if that defintion fits?

distracted
you surely use that tactic a lot … of going into definitions that are aleady understood… . Have you run out of things to say?

not surprising…
I don’t ever recall the original poster defining Sola Scriptura. I need to know exactly how the term is being used before an adequate response can be made. I personally don’t think they want to be held accountable for such a think. Its easier to mock a straw man than deal with the real thing.

How do you define Sola Scriptura?
 
guanophore;4167432]To some extent. The term “inerrant” was applied by the Church.
I proposed that ALL the definitions of SS were inclusive, since none of them are found in Scripture, it is irrelevant which one we use.
What is your definition of SS?
Yes, he conceded that SS is not found in scripture.
 
I don’t ever recall the original poster defining Sola Scriptura. I need to know exactly how the term is being used before an adequate response can be made. I personally don’t think they want to be held accountable for such a think. Its easier to mock a straw man than deal with the real thing.

How do you define Sola Scriptura?
How do you define it?

I define it as rejecting any truth (concering Christ in particular) that is not found explicitly in Scripture…
 
How do you define it?

I define it as rejecting any truth (concering Christ in particular) that is not found explicitly in Scripture…
i would not use such a defintion.
i like this one:Sola scriptura teaches that the Scriptures are the sole infallible rule of faith for the Church. The doctrine does not say that there are not other, fallible, rules of faith, or even traditions, that we can refer to and even embrace. It does say, however, that the only infallible rule of faith is Scripture. This means that all other rules, whether we call them traditions, confessions of faith, creeds, or anything else, are by nature inferior to and subject to correction by, the Scriptures. The Bible is an ultimate authority, allowing no equal, nor superior, in tradition or church. It is so because it is theopneustos, God-breathed, and hence embodies the very speaking of God, and must, of necessity therefore be of the highest authority.
 
i would not use such a defintion.
i like this one:Sola scriptura teaches that the Scriptures are the sole infallible rule of faith for the Church. The doctrine does not say that there are not other, fallible, rules of faith, or even traditions, that we can refer to and even embrace. It does say, however, that the only infallible rule of faith is Scripture. This means that all other rules, whether we call them traditions, confessions of faith, creeds, or anything else, are by nature inferior to and subject to correction by, the Scriptures. The Bible is an ultimate authority, allowing no equal, nor superior, in tradition or church. It is so because it is theopneustos, God-breathed, and hence embodies the very speaking of God, and must, of necessity therefore be of the highest authority.
Great, where is this doctrine in Holy Scripture? (Hint: it’s not in there.)

There is quite a bit about Jesus founding a church on Peter the rock, giving it the authority to bind and loose, giving it the keys to the kingdom of heaven, sending the Holy Spirit to lead it into all truth and bring all he said to remembrance, etc. In other words, Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to protect the Church against teaching error in faith and morals.

The Church is infallible for that reason - Jesus guaranteed that it would be. Therefore, scripture is not the only infallible rule of faith.

Like all heresies, sola scriptura takes one thing from the deposit of faith and excludes all the rest.

Sola scriptura is unscriptural, it is heretical, it is wrong, it denies what Jesus taught about the Church and the Holy Spirit, it is man-made, it is without basis, it is a lie.
 
Why must this be in Scripture to be true?
It doesn’t - but if you’re saying sola scriptura is the sole rule of faith, shouldn’t the bedrock principle upon which all your other heresies and fallacies are built be in scripture (by the logic of sola scriptura?)
 
It doesn’t - but if you’re saying sola scriptura is the sole rule of faith, shouldn’t the bedrock principle upon which all your other heresies and fallacies are built be in scripture (by the logic of sola scriptura?)
No. Not in the way you are trying to frame it.
 
Mea Culpa;4167700]Great, where is this doctrine in Holy Scripture? (Hint: it’s not in there.)
There is quite a bit about Jesus founding a church on Peter the rock, giving it the authority to bind and loose, giving it the keys to the kingdom of heaven, sending the Holy Spirit to lead it into all truth and bring all he said to remembrance, etc. In other words, Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to protect the Church against teaching error in faith and morals.
The Church is infallible for that reason - Jesus guaranteed that it would be.
Major problem here. Jesus never promised the church would be protected from teaching error. Paul in Acts 20:29-30 warned that false teachers would come into the church and will draw disciples away. 2 Peter 2:1 also warns that false teachers will come in and decieve. In Revelation 2:20 the church at Thyatira embraced false teachings. If Jesus had promised such a thing these warnings and examples would be absurd.
Therefore, scripture is not the only infallible rule of faith.
Is your other infallible rule of faith also inspired and without error?
Like all heresies, sola scriptura takes one thing from the deposit of faith and excludes all the rest.
Not with the defintion i’m using. It does say though that in terms of authority the Scriptures alone are the highest authority. Not the pope or the church. If these 2 agencies teach anything contrary to the Scriptures then they are not to be believed.
Sola scriptura is unscriptural, it is heretical, it is wrong, it denies what Jesus taught about the Church and the Holy Spirit, it is man-made, it is without basis, it is a lie.
Actually what you are prompting is false.
 
It doesn’t - but if you’re saying sola scriptura is the sole rule of faith, shouldn’t the bedrock principle upon which all your other heresies and fallacies are built be in scripture (by the logic of sola scriptura?)
After reading way too many of his posts, here is how I understand justasking4’s version of sola scriptura:

The Bible is an ultimate authority. When scripture is not clear it is okay to look outside of scripture for interpretation. Interpretation is only valid if it is recent because today we have the benefit of the internet and history books. There are truths that the Church Father’s could not have known because they didn’t have the Wikipedia. 👍
 
You are misinformed, ja4. this is NOT why they are called Deuterocanonical. It means “second canon”. It is a collection of Sacred Writings that is distinct from the other collections.

News flash, ja4. The Apostles and Prophets are also “but men”. It is not their humanity that made what they wrote inspired/inerrant, but the Spirit of God. It is that same Spirit that Jesus sent to “guide into all Truth”.

Because the Scriptures must be interpreted in the light of what those who wrote them believed. When this does not happen, all kinds of misinterpretations occur. For example, Jesus is not God, and the HS is not a person, and that the Scriptures are the ultimate rule of faith.

The reason they are accepted is because Jesus and the Apostles used them. There are many people, some of them officials, that do not follow the example of Christ. 🤷

No, it is the Apostolic Teaching.

Yes, but He was using the Septuagint. This is why He told those that rejected part of it “you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God”. Many of the Jews of HIs day did not recognize which books were inspired.

Possibly. The Church surely is, since it is also “God Breathed”. 👍

Try to avoid derailing another thread, ja4.

The fact that you can see there is more to the Apostolic faith than what you see in scripture should be enough to prove that Scripture was never meant to be complete. It seems to you that the faith of the Apostles is not the same as the Catholic faith for a variety of reasons. Sola Scriptura is the main cause of this misperception. Since you believe that all they taught is found in the NT, you are missing a lot of it. Furthermore, your posts make it clear that you do not understand what the Apostles, and therefore, what the Church teaches.

Because “derivation” happens in the mind of ignorant, fallible people. Even the most sincere person is limited by their own education and experience.
Hello Guanaphore. Bless you for your patience and trying to understand where Claudius is coming from. If we could get more interaction going between people such as you promote, we ALL might learn something. 👍
 
Scripture interprets Scripture

It’s not that big about 6 main ones with branches from there within the same denominations, kind of like Linux ( for Computers) there a 5 main distro’s with many branches.
Hello historyb. I have a question that I am asking in curiosity, not malice. I haven’t done so myself, but am curious if folks believing in Sola Scriptura and perhaps belong to a specific denomination have compared their interpretations of Scripture with any other Protestant denomination whose members believe only in Sola Scriptura? Are there any differences in interpretations? A giant task ,but one I think I would tackle as much as I could IF I believed in Sola Scriptura. 🤷
 
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