Protestants do not really believe in Sola Scriptura

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Sola scriptura is a ridiculous fallacy that is self-refuting. The Bible is the sole rule of faith. Sola scriptura is not in the Bible. Even by their own logic, sola scriptura is a false doctrine.
 
distracted said:
he would probably just say that it didn’t survive… that it went into apostacy…

those protestants… they have an “answer” for everything… :rolleyes:
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Well if it did then why trust what came out of it? So in that reasoning the Bible came out of a group that was fallen away. What makes anyone trust the Bible contains the Truth … that what was chosen was chosen correctly and what was not chosen was also correct?
 
justasking4 said:
Were these OT writings referred to as Scripture in the time of Christ?

Its called studying the issues and drawing conclusions. 👍
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GeorgiaPeach said:
To be more exact, it’s called personal interpretation. :tsktsk:
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No, the question I asked was, “how do you know which books belong in the Bible”. This was his answer. That being the case, what he is saying is that he has determined the right books that belong in the Bible through his own personal study and conclusion.

He has admitted that he has made himself his own infallible council (maybe appropriate for the group that uses this monniker) and pope.! 👍
 
guanophore said:
No, the question I asked was, “how do you know which books belong in the Bible”. This was his answer. That being the case, what he is saying is that he has determined the right books that belong in the Bible through his own personal study and conclusion.

He has admitted that he has made himself his own infallible council (maybe appropriate for the group that uses this monniker) and pope.! 👍
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Touche’ !
If he can rely on the Holy Spirit to help him know what the canon is, then he can just as easily rely on the Holy Spirit to guide him to believe the Traditions and Authority handed down through the ages, as scriptures attests to!
 
guanophore said:
No, the question I asked was, “how do you know which books belong in the Bible”. This was his answer. That being the case, what he is saying is that he has determined the right books that belong in the Bible through his own personal study and conclusion.

He has admitted that he has made himself his own infallible council (maybe appropriate for the group that uses this monniker) and pope.! 👍
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:o You are correct. JA4 uses a lot of personal study to draw conclusions. I just figured he was using his belief in scripture sola to conclude which books should be included.

When asked what he (JA4) based is idea of scripture sola from the answered:
justasking4 said:
My belief comes from a lot of study and understanding the nature of the Scriptures.
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IronHammer said:
Touche’ !
If he can rely on the Holy Spirit to help him know what the canon is, then he can just as easily rely on the Holy Spirit to guide him to believe the Traditions and Authority handed down through the ages, as scriptures attests to!
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👍
 
guanophore said:
No, the question I asked was, “how do you know which books belong in the Bible”. This was his answer. That being the case, what he is saying is that he has determined the right books that belong in the Bible through his own personal study and conclusion.

He has admitted that he has made himself his own infallible council (maybe appropriate for the group that uses this monniker) and pope.! 👍
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View attachment 4116 :highprayer:
 
IronHammer said:
Touche’ !
If he can rely on the Holy Spirit to help him know what the canon is, then he can just as easily rely on the Holy Spirit to guide him to believe the Traditions and Authority handed down through the ages, as scriptures attests to!
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To think that i got 66 books that the Roman Catholic church agrees with me on has to mean something… 👍
 
justasking4 said:
To think that i got 66 books that the Roman Catholic church agrees with me on has to mean something… 👍
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Unfortunately, it means that you have been cheated and do not possess the entire revealed truth. There is Christian prophecy in some of those books. Are you satisfied with less?

Remember, if the Catholic Church did not have full authority to canonize the bible, the bible is worthless.
 
guanophore said:
Those that He considered Scripture He referred to as such, which is how we know He considered the Septuagint Scripture. Various other factions considered different collections. The Sadducees accepted only the Torah as Scripture.

So, basically what you are saying is that you have determined what books belong in the Bible because you studied, and drew your own conclusions?

Can you please explain why the Epistle of Barnabas, the Didache, and the Shepherd of Hermas are not included?
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Interesting questions but again you are off topic…:tsktsk:

Are you trying to derail this thread to??? View attachment 4117
 
po18guy said:
Unfortunately, it means that you have been cheated and do not possess the entire revealed truth. There is Christian prophecy in some of those books. Are you satisfied with less?

Remember, if the Catholic Church did not have full authority to canonize the bible, the bible is worthless.
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Keep in mind the DC"s were not considered fully canonical by the church until Trent. So it seems the Christians before Trent had the right canon…👍
 
Marian_Devotee said:
Hi justasking4,

I have a question for you: Hypothetically, what would you do if the minister or fellow parishioners at your church decided to explore the Catholic Church, entered RCIA, and converted to Catholicism? Would you be glad for them?

The reason I ask is that my fellow Catholics on this board do a very good job of answering your doubts about the Faith, (and I hope we can do it in a non-derogatory manner) but you still aren’t satisfied with the answers.

What I’m wondering is what it would take for you to see why we believe the things we believe. Maybe you can look on Jimmy Akin’s or Scott Hahn’s website, or phone in to a Catholic Radio show. Here is Jimmy’s bio: catholic.com/media/akin.asp

Who knows? Maybe justasking4 will one day be another staunch defender of the Catholic Faith! 🙂
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I’m very familar with the people you mention above.

Last time i answered this kind of question i was almost thrown off these forums… View attachment 4118
 
justasking4 said:
To think that i got 66 books that the Roman Catholic church agrees with me on has to mean something… 👍
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It most certainly does mean something. You have the lion by the tail but you keep calling it a tiger! You are missing the other half of what God has given us!
 
justasking4 said:
True and the same applies to you. You to are using your own “personal interpretations” of what you believe and you even personally interpret the Scriptures yourself.
Is this a sin in the Catholic church? View attachment 4119
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And that personal interpretation must always square up with the teaching of the Church, which we can verify quite easily by reading the Catechism.
 
justasking4 said:
Keep in mind the DC"s were not considered fully canonical by the church until Trent. So it seems the Christians before Trent had the right canon…👍
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You keep posting this statement even though it has been proven incorrect many times. Why?

Even if the Catholic Church was wrong it has been historically proven Christ had these books and used them. Why wouldn’t you use them? Are you more interested in resisting the Catholic Church than following Christ?
 
PerryJ;4197282]You keep posting this statement even though it has been proven incorrect many times. Why?
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This is not incorrect. It is a historical fact that the church did not have the DC’s at full canonical status until Trent. That means they were not considered full inspired-inerrant until then.
Even if the Catholic Church was wrong it has been historically proven Christ had these books and used them. Why wouldn’t you use them? Are you more interested in resisting the Catholic Church than following Christ?
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There are no direct quotes from the DC by Jesus or His apostles. I would follow any teachings that are in line with Christ but reject those teachings that are not.
 
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