Protestants: Do you believe that Christ is truly present in the communion elements of bread and wine?

[Protestant101]

Exactly. Either He is preent or He is not.

Now you say He is not. But Christ says He is.

Between you and Christ, I believe Christ.

You have mis-stated what I said. I said He is not present in a piece of bread, but, thankfully, He is present in the experience. “Where two or three are gathered together in my name.”

 

[Cinette]

I thought you said a couple of posts ago that no one has called me names on this thread??? :frighten: Did I call you names? What names?

I am here to “compare and contrast” as the forum specs tell us we can do here. I don’t think I have broken any rules, unless it is against the rules to really disagree with some of your teachings.

Did I say you have broken rules? I said you were being ugly.

I told you you were free to criticise but NEVER to say things to denigrade the Eucharist - the Eucharist is sacred and the “source and summit” of our Faith.

You can say you don’t believe and I can understand that. I told you once that I think if I lived in Jesus’ time and had been among the Disciples I might have also turned my back like they did (and as you are doing now)

But we have 2000 years of witness. We have experienced the great benefits of the Eucharist. We have the miracles of the Eucharist. I was away from the Church for 27 years. Now I know my faith better that I go to Mass daily and receive the Eucharist, Jesus’ great gift of himself to us.

You have also make snide remarks about the Mass and I told you that the Mass is Scripture which is the Word. What do you have to say about that? Have you ever attend the Mass? Did you have a Missel in your hand so that you could follow the Mass? Can you say that the Mass is NOT the Word of God. We have both the Word and the Eucharist to NOURISH us at the Holy Mass.

You don’t have to believe - that is OK. But DON’T insult and denigrade.

*** ***!shaw:

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

Well; can we have eternal life if we reject His Word? Are there other ways that we can have “eternal life” besides the communion or mass services? How readest thou? (Luke 10:26)

No, you cannot have eternal life if you reject His Word.

His Word is Jesus Christ, the Real Word, The True Word, The Word by which this world was created, The Word by whose words and example we learn to live and love as humans in the way God intended when He originally created man and woman, The Word of God who will restore us to that original way of life by His life, death, and resurrection, The Word of God we learn from when we read the word of God (the Bible) The Word of God who dwells in us through the Holy Spirit, The Word of God who became flesh and commanded us to eat His flesh and drink His blood.

And all who follow Jesus’ commands will have eternal life, in Him, by Him, through Him, and with Him.

No we cannot have eternal life if we reject Jesus, The Word of God.

We can only have eternal life as we become members of His Body…the Body of the Word of God, Jesus. And so we must eat His flesh and drink His blood and become one with Him and each other…One Body…The Body of Christ.

God bless all!!!

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Benedictus2

Nowwwwwwwwwwwww… don’t take it personally … Protestant101 has not responded to the significant issues presented before him.

You have not responded to any of my posts. Either you have put me on your ignore list or I and the others are right and you just have no comeback.

My guess is that responded to Cinette because she pulled his chain…

Have a great day

God bless

 

[Realcatholicgk]

While you are pasting that in your “funny book,” you should also find a place to paste what you said about Jesus being everywhere. Of course; He is or can be “everywhere;” but He is not “in everything.” Which a piece of bread would have to be counted as.
**
Hi Protestant,

I have been reading the posts. Not much to say because it is all been said repeately. They, unlike me, still think you can be saved from Hell. I disagree! I am realistic enough to realize that Satan must win some souls!

Your mind has become so clouded that you are even disagreeing with yourself! Do you even realize that? In one post you say Jesus can only be in one place and you know that he is at the right hand of the Father! You said He can’t be at two places. Then you say that when two or more are gathered in His name He is there. And in this post you disagree saying it is “funny” to think He is in two places and in the next line disagree with yourself and agree with Cinette that He can be everywhere.If you are confused, you can imagine how us real Christians with uncorrupted minds must feel! :whacky:

I agree with you that Jesus or God can not be in “everything”! That is a herecy that the church rejected many centuries ago! I also agree with you that Jesus is not in the Bread**!
Jesus IS the bread! When the priest changes the bread into the body and blood of Christ it stops being bread and actually becomes our Lord and Savior! Then we can eat his body and be nurished and save our souls like Jesus commanded us to do!

Of course, all Protestant groups have just pieces of bread and grape juice or perhaps Oreos and koolaide. They don’t know understand that Jesus can’t be counterfeited like our practices have been. Jesus wouldn’t allow that to happen.

You cult members, being a counterfeit version of an imtation copy of the real church, are even worse off. You can’t even get the correct way of worship right! How could anyone ever expect you to understand the mystery of Jesus’ presence when you don’t even believe the real scriptures and make up your own distorted beliefs? They don’t even comply with the SDA teachings you claim to follow…

As I said, some bleeding hearts here think you actually have a chance for salvation. I pray that they are correct. I know the opportunity has been presented to you! No one should condemn themselves because of false pride and we all know you can’t claim ignorance when we all told you the truth, many times on many threads!

You remain in my prayers! I pray to St Jude especially for you!
(Catholics should smile at that! )

God Bless

 

[grampben]

Is it really fair to cell someone a lost cause? Lol.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Realcatholicgk,

Now… I would never accuse you of suddenly going ‘soft and mushy’ on someone… but, this last post of yous was something to read.

Yes, I am confident you are correct in that the Devil is going to get some souls. And, yes, I did happen to notice the apparent confusion in Protestant101’s statements … but, you know what? I think (that if he continues to open his heart to the saving Word of God) the Holy Spirit will lead Protestant101 to the Catholic Church.

No, I do not think this will be a direct route - mainly because he has just soooooooooo many bags that he is carrying. He will just need to put down one at a time - read the Bible after praying to the Holy Spirt. Read the Early Church Fathers that so many Protestants quote (which really surprises me to no end…) and then pray about what he has learned.

The lyric about “…saved a wretch like me…” keeps going through my head. Besides, giving up on people is not in the contract - my understanding is that we are to pray for everyone.

Personally, this personal focus has more value to us then it does for the person we think we are praying for.

Stay cool…

God bless

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Is it really fair to call someone a lost cause? Lol.

Hi Gramps,

Fair? Why not? Charitable…well, I do try… I really do!

God Bless

 

[grampben]

Ha! You’re improving, Realcatholicgk.

 

[Protestant101]

Actually, that other guy is wrong Sir…You are not improving one bit. If you go back to your last post to me, you will see that you have confused me with another poster who said Jesus cannot be in more than one place at once. I did not say that…but O well; it’s just another one of your many mistakes in your “apologetics.” You should apologize for your poor apologetics. You can’t even get the right names with the right posts.

 

[Protestant101]

Hi Cinette

I guess we have different ideas of what the difference would be between “criticising” a belief, and “denigrating” the belief.

 

[Protestant101]

No, you cannot have eternal life if you reject His Word.

Can you have eternal life if you reject His written Word?

 

[Cinette]

Hi Cinette

I guess we have different ideas of what the difference would be between “criticising” a belief, and “denigrating” the belief.

You have not answered the questions in my posting. I asked you whether you have ever attended Mass and whether you have done so by following the Mass with a missel. Had you done so you would have seen that it is seeped in Scripture.

You also do not appear to be the same person who first posted on this thread. There is an inconistency.

I understand full well the difference between criticising and denigrating. One needs to be sensitized to discern what constitutes an offense. Your language is sometimes extremely offensive. You can say “I do not believe” - I can understand that and it would not offend.

You do tend to avoid answering questions. I notice Benedictus made the same observation.

One can get nowhere this way.

God bless you
Cinette

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

Can you have eternal life if you reject His written Word?

Do you believe that His written word can give you eternal life?

If so…how so?

God bless all!!!

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Hi Protestant,

I see what you meant about the other posts getting mixed up. You responded to another posters post and made it seem like you said it what you were only agreeing with the lies and deceitful words of Satan that non-catholic was saying. Read #459 and #453 to refresh your memory or do you know what you personally believe?

Actually, that other guy is wrong Sir.**Thank you for saying that! I was afraid I was slipping! **.

You are not improving one bit. ** Can’t improve much on Truth can you?If you go back to your last post to me, you will see that you have confused me with another poster who said Jesus cannot be in more than one place at once. I did not say that…but ** As I said, you are correct! You just agreed with him and argued with Cinette about it! Post #459

O well; it’s just another one of your many mistakes in your “apologetics.” You should apologize for your poor apologetics. **I never make mistakes I use the teachings of Christ, he is never in error! **

You can’t even get the right names with the right posts.**One heretic is just like another, has been said. I disagree I think each one of you have their own twisted, distorted, corrupted beliefs and should be delt with one on one! Unlike Catholics, the real Protestants and your cults can’t agree on anything except that the Catholic church is wrong! 61,000 diffferent Protestant groups all disagreeing with the written word and its interpretations.

Out of respect for you personally, I am including your cult as a part of them even if real Protestants get angry with that! You have a right to be included with the other false and counterfeit beliefs although theirs are almost 300 years older than your cult’s! In my eyes all heretics are the same! It seems only fair! **

Can you have eternal life if you reject His written Word?

**Reference being saved if rejecting His written word. Actually, no one know that answer Protestant, Only God knows what he will or will not do! Or who will or won’t be saved. That is why I believe there is still a small chance you may be saved even with your corrupted beliefs and distorted view on Jesus and His real teachings! Miracles do happen! **

** If you sincerely wish to follow His written word. You better start listening to the Catholic church and find out exactly what He had written. You aren’t doing so good with John 6 so far! and there are so many others turths that you deny.

If you understood scriptures you would be worshiping Jesus on Sundays in compliance with the NT But that is another thread this one confirms that Jesus is physically present in the Eucharist at every Catholic mass and never at a Protestant pot luck except in spirit.

You are loved and prayed for daily!

God Bless **

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Protestant101,

What do you really mean? Tape recorders had not yet been invented.

Can you have eternal life if you reject His written Word?

But, let’s just stick with the written Word because that seems to be giving the most problems when it comes to understanding. Now, when it comes to accepting and rejecting - here are some issues that I think you need to address with more diligence then I have previously seen.

**Now, we all believe that Christ is God. Mary is the human Mother of Christ and hence, Mary is the Mother of God. (Luke Ch 1)

We also believe that Christ, a Jew, called a group of 12 Jewish men to join Him and to form a core around which He would later found His Chruch. (Mark 3:16)

We believe that Christ specifically appointed Peter to lead His Chruch after Christ ascended into heaven (Matt 16:18)

We believe that Christ originally preached to the Jews but, upon His rejection by the Jewish leaders He opened His Arms to all of humanity (Matt 28:19).

We believe that Christ wanted us to be His brothers (Baptism - Matt 28) and to be near Him always (Holy Communion - John 6)

We also believe that we are to follow in the footsteps of Christ by doing good for others (Luke 13:27).

We believe that Christ promised to send the Holy Spirit Who would guide His Church and protect it from evil (foreign - devils and domestic - wolves in shephard’s clothes) and teach His people all things (John 14:23-29)**

Look at these as a sample of Catholic belief (with a total Biblical base) and not an all inclusive listing.

Every item listed was taught by Christ, followed by the Apostles, became part of the inspired Word of God in the Bible, was taught by the Early Church Fathers and believe for 1500 years.

After this time, there is organized rebellion, trashing of the Word of God (a good example is Luther’s statement on the Epistle of St James as being made of straw - because it did not agree with Luther’s heresy on faith alone.) and an effort to destroy the Church of Christ.

Since you claim to be Protestant, your job, as I apprecite it, is to make a choice: stay where you are and thus reject the Word of God you claim to observe or make the move to living the Life of Christ through His Chruch.

This is not a private message and I really have grown a bit weary awaiting your responses … I no loner hold my breath! If anyone would like to add something (or tell me where I messed up… ) please post away!

God bless

 

[Realcatholicgk]

You have not answered the questions in my posting. I asked you whether you have ever attended Mass and whether you have done so by following the Mass with a missel. Had you done so you would have seen that it is seeped in Scripture.

You also do not appear to be the same person who first posted on this thread. There is an inconistency.

I understand full well the difference between criticising and denigrating. One needs to be sensitized to discern what constitutes an offense. Your language is sometimes extremely offensive. You can say “I do not believe” - I can understand that and it would not offend.

You do tend to avoid answering questions. I notice Benedictus made the same observation.

One can get nowhere this way.

God bless you
Cinette

**Hi Cinette,

Protestant101 and I are old ‘friends’. He once mentioned that he had been to a Catholic Mass. I recommended he didn’t get any holy water on him. I understand that it might burn! I don’t want him to get hurt. He constantly avoids answers. You actually have been luckyer than most others. I think it is your sweet personality!
I have noticed he is getting under your skin! .

It is real cold where he is now, His brain may be getting numb. He probable can’t wait for Judgment Day! I think he may * have a real “warm” reception! It is 70 degrees here today going to be 80 on Friday! I am planning to receive the Body and Blood of My lord and savior on Both days!

Keep working on him, we will all keep praying for the conversion of all sinners, It may work! I mean Jesus can make His real Body and Blood come from a piece of Bread. Surly, if we pray enough we can make a Catholic come from what is realized as being a corrupted cult. There are many converts from His cult and they actually do make good Catholics because they realize how many lies they used to believe! God is Good!

God Bless ***

 

[grampben]

Now here please, be charitable realcatholic!

Let’s not talk about other users in a derogatory manner. If every user did this, CAF would be a horrid place.

Play fair,

 

[Bill_Pick]

I Really Do Not Know What You Are Talking About,do You Have Your Thread Mix Up

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Protestant101:

**
Hi Protestant,

I see what you meant about the other posts getting mixed up. You responded to another posters post and made it seem like you said it what you were only agreeing with the lies and deceitful words of Satan that non-catholic was saying. Read #459 and #453 to refresh your memory or do you know what you personally believe? **

Actually, that other guy is wrong Sir.**Thank you for saying that! I was afraid I was slipping! **.

You are not improving one bit. ** Can’t improve much on Truth can you?If you go back to your last post to me, you will see that you have confused me with another poster who said Jesus cannot be in more than one place at once. I did not say that…but ** As I said, you are correct! You just agreed with him and argued with Cinette about it! Post #459

O well; it’s just another one of your many mistakes in your “apologetics.” You should apologize for your poor apologetics. **I never make mistakes I use the teachings of Christ, he is never in error! **

You can’t even get the right names with the right posts.**One heretic is just like another, has been said. I disagree I think each one of you have their own twisted, distorted, corrupted beliefs and should be delt with one on one! Unlike Catholics, the real Protestants and your cults can’t agree on anything except that the Catholic church is wrong! 61,000 diffferent Protestant groups all disagreeing with the written word and its interpretations.

Out of respect for you personally, I am including your cult as a part of them even if real Protestants get angry with that! You have a right to be included with the other false and counterfeit beliefs although theirs are almost 300 years older than your cult’s! In my eyes all heretics are the same! It seems only fair! **

Can you have eternal life if you reject His written Word?

**Reference being saved if rejecting His written word. Actually, no one know that answer Protestant, Only God knows what he will or will not do! Or who will or won’t be saved. That is why I believe there is still a small chance you may be saved even with your corrupted beliefs and distorted view on Jesus and His real teachings! Miracles do happen! **

** If you sincerely wish to follow His written word. You better start listening to the Catholic church and find out exactly what He had written. You aren’t doing so good with John 6 so far! and there are so many others turths that you deny.

If you understood scriptures you would be worshiping Jesus on Sundays in compliance with the NT But that is another thread this one confirms that Jesus is physically present in the Eucharist at every Catholic mass and never at a Protestant pot luck except in spirit.

You are loved and prayed for daily!

God Bless **