Protestants: Do you believe that Christ is truly present in the communion elements of bread and wine?

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I am a Protestant who believes that Christ is truly present in the consecrated bread and wine every Sunday at my Anglican church. Do you believe this or do you feel that it is truly a symbolistic example of the Lord’s Supper?
 
SIA said:
I am a Protestant who believes that Christ is truly present in the consecrated bread and wine every Sunday at my Anglican church. Do you believe this or do you feel that it is truly a symbolistic example of the Lord’s Supper?
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As a Lutheran, I know that the body and blood are truly and substantially present, distributed and received with that which is seen, the bread and wine. And I will go as far as to say that Transubstantiation is a far, far more scriptural description of the sacrament than symbolic remembrance.

Jon

btw, SIA, I thought Anglicans didn’t consider themselves “Protestant”. 😃
 
JonNC said:
As a Lutheran, I know that the body and blood are truly and substantially present, distributed and received with that which is seen, the bread and wine. And I will go as far as to say that Transubstantiation is a far, far more scriptural description of the sacrament than symbolic remembrance.

Jon

btw, SIA, I thought Anglicans didn’t consider themselves “Protestant”. 😃
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Depends on which one you ask, as with so many things. Many don’t, to be sure.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus
 
JonNC said:
Thanks, GKC. I kind of figured that, but was just kidding SIA in a friendly way.

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I guessed it.

Myself, I occasionally will read a thread addressed to protestants, but I wouldn’t consider answering someone else’s mail. So, no vote.

GKC
 
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You need more than polling to answer your doubts, SIA!
I hope you don’t become an astrologer like what some ancient, disobedient people had become when God obscured their minds to find their answers.:rolleyes:
No amount of theology, scientific scrutiny, nor voluminous reading of history will make the Eucharist ever validly present in a protestant church’s table. No matter how much faith you believe it is.:dts:

It is a gift given ALONE to the Catholic Church- the Lord’s own body that He has to nourish!👍
I am a Roman Catholic. Sorry, I answered. couldn’t resist.🙂
 
This is a great question - I didn’t believe this - then came to believe it fully and it is this doctrine more than any other doctrine which started my journey toward the Catholic Church.

For those having difficulty accepting this teaching - you are not the first - John 6:30-70 includes a vivid description of many disciples of Christ who could not accept this teaching and left Jesus over it (and he let them leave) after jesus told them truly truly unless you eat my flesh and blood you have no “eternal life” When Jesus turned then to the apostles and asked if they would also leave - they said where would we go - you have the words of “eternal life” (what words? that we must literally partake of the blood and body of Christ).

This is echoed by Paul in Corinthians (twice) - where he says participation in the eucharist is "participation in the blood and body of Christ’ and again when he warns about not partaking of the Eucharist without “discerning the body”.

If this isn’t enough, the earliest writings of the church fathers (e.g,. Ignatious, a direct disciple of John - author of the gospel cited above) states that only the heretics deny the real presence in the Eucharist.

Finally - I found it interesting (and a little freightening) that John 6:66 (mark of the beast) is in fact the verse where the disciples left Jesus over the unwillingness or inability to believe in the literal presence in the Eucharist. That is something to think about.

Blessings,

Brian
 
thirdn6 said:
Poll?!?
You need more than polling to answer your doubts, SIA!
I hope you don’t become an astrologer like what some ancient, disobedient people had become when God obscured their minds to find their answers.:rolleyes:
No amount of theology, scientific scrutiny, nor voluminous reading of history will make the Eucharist ever validly present in a protestant church’s table. No matter how much faith you believe it is.:dts:

It is a gift given ALONE to the Catholic Church- the Lord’s own body that He has to nourish!👍
I am a Roman Catholic. Sorry, I answered. couldn’t resist.🙂
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I wasn’t looking for the usual slam against Protestants and was hoping that we could avoid that for once on this particular thread, but I guess I was wrong, not surprised but nonetheless wrong.😦
 
Christ is born! Glorify Him!

Brother SIA, could you possibly expand on what you mean by “He is truly present?” That could mean any number of things to any number of different Protestants, considering the varying theologies within Protestant camps. Simply curious.

In Christ,
Andrew
 
JonNC said:
btw, SIA, I thought Anglicans didn’t consider themselves “Protestant”. 😃
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That is correct. They do not consider themselves Protestant. Perhaps SIA is not fully aware of Anglican hisory.

Jean
 
SIA said:
I wasn’t looking for the usual slam against Protestants and was hoping that we could avoid that for once on this particular thread, but I guess I was wrong, not surprised but nonetheless wrong.😦
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There’s truth in what I said re ‘presence’. It wasn’t to slam protestants. It was a ‘believe it or not’ sort of statement. I wasn’t trying to convince you or anybody. The same way that the Lord Jesus didn’t call His unbelieving disciples back when they couldn’t take his word.

The truth concerning the Eucharist (bread and wine becoming flesh and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ) cannot be made truly present by any protestant pastor or minister on their protestant table- 100% sure. No doubt!

This is not the same even when saying that because there are two or more gathered in His name they can be imitators of true priests. No way. Though it’s true, imo, that the universal grace is upon all men which includes protestants and non-Christians. That the Holy Ghost is ever present in each one of us perpetually calling us home to Jesus through His Catholic Church- His body… or continually sorting us out in one way or another as faithful believers or pick-and-choose-believers.

What’s the purpose of this poll anyway? If you wouldn’t mind me asking…
 
SIA said:
I am a Protestant who believes that Christ is truly present in the consecrated bread and wine every Sunday at my Anglican church. Do you believe this or do you feel that it is truly a symbolistic example of the Lord’s Supper?
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Sia,

Do you often go to your Protestant Church and sit in front of your tabernacle and visit with the Lord?

Does your Church have Adoration where you can visit throughout the day or night and Worship the Lord Jesus Christ who is truely present?

Ufamtobie
 
Jean_1958 said:
That is correct. They do not consider themselves Protestant. Perhaps SIA is not fully aware of Anglican hisory.

Jean
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I’m fully aware, more or less. And some Anglicans do consider themselves to be protestant. Present company excepted, to be sure.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus
 
This is a good topic and a great question. I hope my fellow Catholics will put a hold on the rhetoric and even the legitimate discussion and let the Protestants have a talk.

Sometimes, we as Catholics, forget that other groups understand the Real Presence as being Jesus truly present. Sure, the term Transubstantiation may not be there, and we are not getting into validity of anything, but the understanding that Jesus said what he meant is there.
 
SIA said:
I am a Protestant who believes that Christ is truly present in the consecrated bread and wine every Sunday at my Anglican church. Do you believe this or do you feel that it is truly a symbolistic example of the Lord’s Supper?
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Who can vote in a poll or how many posts does one have to have before being allowed to participate? It won’t let me vote so I’ll just say I pick the latter: the Lord’s supper is symbolic.
 
grampben said:
Neither - spiritual presence.
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I’ll go along with this but not just about communion. Jesus said that wherever two or three are gathered in His name, there He is in the midst. That would include the Lord’s supper.
 
ralphinal said:
This is a good topic and a great question. I hope my fellow Catholics will put a hold on the rhetoric and even the legitimate discussion and let the Protestants have a talk.

Sometimes, we as Catholics, forget that other groups understand the Real Presence as being Jesus truly present. Sure, the term Transubstantiation may not be there, and we are not getting into validity of anything, but the understanding that Jesus said what he meant is there.
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And, if you look hard enough, the term “transubstantiation” is sometimes there.

GKC
 
ralphinal said:
This is a good topic and a great question. I hope my fellow Catholics will put a hold on the rhetoric and even the legitimate discussion and let the Protestants have a talk.

Sometimes, we as Catholics, forget that other groups understand the Real Presence as being Jesus truly present. Sure, the term Transubstantiation may not be there, and we are not getting into validity of anything, but the understanding that Jesus said what he meant is there.
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A very nice statement, Ralph. But I doubt that the rhetoric will be put on hold. Folks can’t resist a jab and slam.

Again, thanks. You’re a good man, Ralph.
 
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