Protestants: Do you believe that Christ is truly present in the communion elements of bread and wine?

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I find it hard to believe that you would ask me to spend $25.00 Canadian (after shipping is added) on this book when members of this forum could give me the “theology” it contains. And besides, I have had the experience on this forum that when I quote a book like this, I am given lines like: “O, well. This is not ‘official’ Catholic doctrine.” Even though it may be “approved” by a Bishop, it is still not “official” and so to me that makes discussion of something like this book quite impossible on this forum.

I am undecided as of this writing as to what to ask and how, regarding this subject. But I am considering some possible responses and will be back asap. I need to check a few references first, and how fast that happens depends on available time!!
I gave a link that is absolutely free, but I noticed you passed my post right buy…So I will give it to you again…

"Here is a link that will give you some proof that the Eucharist is The Body and Blood. But then again all the proof in the world does no one any good if they don’t have faith…"catholicdoors.com/faq/qu116.htm

There are hundreds of cases that have been proven that the Eucharist is the Real Presence…Pray read be educated…😃
 
I find it hard to believe that you would ask me to spend $25.00 Canadian (after shipping is added) on this book when members of this forum could give me the “theology” it contains.

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Hi Protestant101, 👋**

But my friend, you have been given all the Theology. What you haven’t been given is ammunitation that you can twist and distort to support your corrupted beliefs. Sorry, there just isn’t any!

And besides, I have had the experience on this forum that when I quote a book like this, I am given lines like: “O, well. This is not ‘official’ Catholic doctrine.” Even though it may be “approved” by a Bishop, it is still not “official” and so to me that makes discussion of something like this book quite impossible on this forum.

**Exactly, the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur are only official declarations that a book or pamphlet is free of doctrinal or moral error. No implication is ever implied that Catholics must agree with the content, opinions or statements expressed or that they are Catholic dogma. You are learning! 😃 **

I am undecided as of this writing as to what to ask and how, regarding this subject. But I am considering some possible responses and will be back asap. I need to check a few references first, and how fast that happens depends on available time!!

**Do I understand you to say “I can’t figure out how to create any lies that will support my corrupted thoughs, so I need time to check with the Devil. I will respond later if heggives me any new ideas”:rolleyes: **

Good luck with that!
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Protestant101:
And all this smokescreen you present to your audience here just to try and get away from the fact that it is heretical to believe in this Catholic doctrine of The Eucharist.

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Hi Protestant, 👋

Not being the smartest one here, I actually waited for someone to see the stupity of your statement and call you on it. I guess they want me to do it! 🤷 In Christianity, HERESY is a “theological or religious opinion or doctrine maintained in opposition, or held to be contrary**, to the Roman Catholic Church” It is heretical Not to believe in the Catholic Doctrine of The Eucharist!

Catholics grossly undermine the Bible’s authority, and God’s true character by calling Jesus a piece of bread, and making the audacious claim that the Catholic Priest transforms this bread into our Savior.

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I actually see where you get that idea. When Satan possesses the heart and minds of his slaves he clouds their minds and vision so they are unable to see the truth. I think he is actually smart to do that otherwise they could see and understand the truths that Jesus taught and which His church protects and continues to teach 2,000 years later. We all know that Protestants believed in the real presence as Jesus taught for 1500 years. Why suddenly deny it? Some Catholics say that the devil realized that if they continued to do so their spirits could be alive and they would have eternal life just like Jesus stated in John 6: 53-59.:eek: I have a more charitable belief. I think that it may be the Holy Spirit makes they believe that! In 1 Corinthians 11: 27 it clearly states “Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.” Well, if protesting Jesus real teachings and rejecting His real church doesn’t make a person unworthy to receive His Body what could? Also you don’t look for something you don’t believe exists.

Anyway, whether it is the Devil or HS that denies the knowledge of the truth, there is an easy solution. Become a Catholic and like the Blind man Jesus will open your eyes. Then we could even go out bowling on Saturday nights! Grab some hamburgers :eek: and chug down some suds! Get up on Sunday Morning and Go eat our Savior and Lord as He commanded! 👍

God Bless

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Glad you have finally admitted that I am “making sense.”
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Hi Protestant101, 👋

Oh, Protestant101, :imsorry: I am so sorry! :bighanky: you misunderstood what I said! " You are actually starting to make sense." You missed the key words “starting to” didn’t you?

Of course you have a long way to go before you will actually do that:rotfl: However Praying to the Blessed Mother could help! St Rita of Cascia and St Jude Thaddeus would also be two other excellent saints to pray to! 👍 That was a little Catholic Humor! Research it out, it will make sense then!]

God Bless **
 
I disagree. I emphasize apostolic succession, and belief.

And, of course, I speak fluent Apostlicae Curae.

GKC
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Hi Jim,
You realize that I would like to disagree also. Unfortunally, as you know I also speak Apostlicae Curae so I can not do that.

If I were to used the old “duck” analogy that would ‘support’ your argument somewhat! 😃 But of course, I can not!

Lets look at Protestant101. :eek: I know! :rolleyes: I don’t want to neither, but sometimes we just have to do unpleasanrt things for the greater good! 😃 He is a SDA and calls himself a "Protestant " although many of them, being right thinking people, believe His group is only a cult.

See? The point is that what a person believes only makes it His opinion, unless God has revealed otherwise. Remember that old trick question? Q: If you called a dog’s tail a leg, how many legs would he have? A: Still 4 because calling something anything else doesn’t change what it is! As you must agree, you are Protestant as understood by the RCC due to the Bull.

Without the help of the HS and the guidance of Jesus’ representative here on earth many Protestant beliefs have slowly started to corrupt your faith, very simular to how they are attempting to corrupt ours. Because of that we drift further and further apart.

I still think the Anglican Saepius Officio points were valid, But no one wants to appoint me Pope! :mad: I think one reason has to do with the “wife” issue! Well not being a member of the clergy could also be another reason! I do have a cute pair of red shoes so that can’t be the reason!

Anyway, IMHO you are a member of a “Non-Catholic Faith” which is referred to ‘incorrectly’ as Protestant. That is the best that I can do for you. 👍 I respect you too much to call you a Protestant. I also wouldn’t want to be identified with the “others” and many of their weird beliefs! :eek:

God Bless**
 
I find it hard to believe that you would ask me to spend $25.00 Canadian (after shipping is added) on this book…
*"Matthew 13:44Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it."*

And if I thought you would read it and not throw it away, I would consider sending you my copy…pm me if you would sincerely consider this.

…or, you could read the free link post by BMSODM above.

God bless all!!!
 
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Hi Jim,
You realize that I would like to disagree also. Unfortunally, as you know I also speak Apostlicae Curae** so I can not do that.

If I were to used the old “duck” analogy that would ‘support’ your argument somewhat! 😃 But of course, I can not!

Lets look at Protestant101. :eek: I know! :rolleyes: I don’t want to neither, but sometimes we just have to do unpleasanrt things for the greater good! 😃 He is a SDA and calls himself a "Protestant " although many of them, being right thinking people, believe His group is only a cult.

See? The point is that what a person believes only makes it His opinion, unless God has revealed otherwise. Remember that old trick question? Q: If you called a dog’s tail a leg, how many legs would he have? A: Still 4 because calling something anything else doesn’t change what it is! As you must agree, you are Protestant as understood by the RCC due to the Bull.

Without the help of the HS and the guidance of Jesus’ representative here on earth many Protestant beliefs have slowly started to corrupt your faith, very simular to how they are attempting to corrupt ours. Because of that we drift further and further apart.

I still think the Anglican Saepius Officio points were valid, But no one wants to appoint me Pope! :mad: I think one reason has to do with the “wife” issue! Well not being a member of the clergy could also be another reason! I do have a cute pair of red shoes so that can’t be the reason!

Anyway, IMHO you are a member of a “Non-Catholic Faith” which is referred to ‘incorrectly’ as Protestant. That is the best that I can do for you. 👍 I respect you too much to call you a Protestant. I also wouldn’t want to be identified with the “others” and many of their weird beliefs! :eek:

God Bless
If you agreed with me as to Apostolicae Curae, I’d remind you not do. I’ve actually had to do that, on rare occasions.

*Saepius Officio * is a not unrepresentative Anglican reply, and, of course the first and only official one. It has it’s good points, but it also has a weak one. Can you spot it? It’s not at all uncommon amongst Anglican rejoinders.

The best exposition of the logic of the Anglican position is found in 2 books written by a RC priest, Fr. J. J. Hughes. Fr. Hughes was an unusual character, in that he as a former Anglican priest and the first individual known to have been ordianed as a RC priest *sub conditione *. His ABSOLUTELY NULL AND UTTERLY VOID is the best book, bar none, on the history of the issue (and I’ve read a lot of them). His STEWARDS OF THE LORD addresses the weak spots in Clark’s ANGLICAN ORDERS AND DEFECT OF INTENTION, which is the best explanation of the RC logic in the case.

And let’s do a quick test on your AC fluency (only for fun). On 16 July 1896, the cardinals of the Holy Office met, in a Feria V meeting, to consider the work of the commission. One cardinal who might have been expected to be present was not. Who was absent, and why was this of (potential) interest?

I salute you, Sarge. Your words are kind, and you may, to be sure, call me what you deem right.

GKC
 
*"*And if I thought you would read it and not throw it away, I would consider sending you my copy
Patrick; why do you keep judging people like this when they don’t accept or understand your beliefs as truth?

I have a lot of Catholic literature here in my library, as well as from many other denominations and religions. I keep all my books. And I read them.

I find that the explanations re the Catholic Eucharist are not correctly explained from the Bible in any of the Catholic literature I have read or possess, no matter how many times it quotes John 6 out of context.

That’s why I have stated I still have questions, and that I have come to understand this doctrine as heretical.
 
Patrick; why do you keep judging people like this when they don’t accept or understand your beliefs as truth?

I have a lot of Catholic literature here in my library, as well as from many other denominations and religions. I keep all my books. And I read them.

I find that the explanations re the Catholic Eucharist are not correctly explained from the Bible in any of the Catholic literature I have read or possess, no matter how many times it quotes John 6 out of context.

That’s why I have stated I still have questions, and that I have come to understand this doctrine as heretical.
Ok…I just thought I’d offer if you might be interested. It is a very good book and deals with protestant perspectives as well…and I was amazed at the accuracy with which the author dealt with those perspectives, as well as the Catholic theology of the Eucharist.

If you change your mind, just let me know.

God bless all!!!
 
Patrick; why do you keep judging people like this when they don’t accept or understand your beliefs as truth?

I have a lot of Catholic literature here in my library, as well as from many other denominations and religions. I keep all my books. And I read them.

I find that the explanations re the Catholic Eucharist are not correctly explained from the Bible in any of the Catholic literature I have read or possess, no matter how many times it quotes John 6 out of context.

** Hi, Protestant, 👋

I was going to ask you: Who died and made you God. Than thought that you might actually say something that could get the real God mad at you so I didn’t**

That’s why I have stated I still have questions, and that I have come to understand this doctrine as heretical.

This time, I won’t wait for someone to see the stupity of your statement and call you on it. I guess they want me to do it! In Christianity, HERESY is a “theological or religious opinion or doctrine maintained in opposition, or held to be contrary, to the Roman Catholic Church” It is heretical Not to believe in the Catholic Doctrine of The Eucharist!
 
That is correct. They do not consider themselves Protestant. Perhaps SIA is not fully aware of Anglican hisory.

Jean
You are obviously not aware of anglican history.
Most anglicans do consider themselves protestant.
 
Patrick; why do you keep judging people like this when they don’t accept or understand your beliefs as truth?

I have a lot of Catholic literature here in my library, as well as from many other denominations and religions. I keep all my books. And I read them.

I find that the explanations re the Catholic Eucharist are not correctly explained from the Bible in any of the Catholic literature I have read or possess, no matter how many times it quotes John 6 out of context.

That’s why I have stated I still have questions, and that I have come to understand this doctrine as heretical.
Why do you keep ignoring me my brother? I sent a link twice now,why havent you responded to the miracles?

Ps. Myself and RealCatholic have given you the definition of heresy/heretical a couple of times. Look who is taking things out of context. If you cant read and understand something as easy as a definition of a word why would we beleive you have the understanding to discern scripture? your eyes are being clouded my brother by the deceiver…Pray, but you need not pray if your not willing to listen…Two ears, one mouth…:rolleyes:
 
You are obviously not aware of anglican history.
Most anglicans do consider themselves protestant.
ANYONE who isnt a Catholic and consider’s themselves a christian is a Protestant…period!!!

If your not catholic then you protest the catholic doctrine,period!!!

That by definition is a PROTESTant 👍
 
ANYONE who isnt a Catholic and consider’s themselves a christian is a Protestant…period!!!

If your not catholic then you protest the catholic doctrine,period!!!

That by definition is a PROTESTant 👍
I would agree, however I hate the term being used like that as it implies the primary purpose of the church is to not be catholic!

The user tried to belittle SIA by saying SIA had no knowledge of anglican history, when it was the user making the accusations that seemingly doesn’t know her history.
 
We could ask for a show of hands.

GKC
LOL. The communion can’t even get all the bishops to a conference that happens only once a decade, it would be an act of God if something like that worked 😉

I’m sure some sect would reject the notion of a showing of hands anyway :rolleyes:
 
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